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1. Vince's Mom talks about Good Will Hunting when Vince just got off a movie with an actor from Good Will Hunting. If you use Stellan Skarsdale - don't mention Good will Hunting. Good Will Hunting shouldn't exist in the Entourage Universe.
2. Ari says he arranages Lil Bow Wow for his dentist friend, but Lil Bow Wow is Charlie.
I know that this happened a couple times, more than 2, what are the other instances of this?
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I don't know about not making sense. I just think the writers got lazy.
While Stellan Skarsgård* was in GWH, he wasn't the star and I would bet a lot of folks forgot he was in that film. I'm guessing the writers forgot.
As for Lil Bow Wow... He was mentioned in Season 4, but he didn't start on the show until Season 5.
I mean, if you're going to do this... ever watch Law & Order? In season 1, S. Epatha Merkenson played an immigrant cleaning woman mother who lost her son. 2 years later she was a career NY'er Police Lt. There's maybe a few dozen more examples of Actors who were witnesses one episode, victims another and the defendant in others.
I was more concerned with the fact that Dana Gordon had a husband and child in Season 2 but then in season 8 she is single, never married and wants a child with Ari. Or like in the pilot when Ari is telling E all the girls he bangs behind his wife's back, but then later says he never cheated on his wife. Which was it?
But in the Spirit of your post... Rufus in season 1, played the guy who ran an audio-visual entertainment place where Vinnie and the guys got their Home Theater set up. In season 5, the same actor (and name) now owns and operates a successful auto body shop. Did he suddenly switch careers?
perhaps Rufus did home and car audio setups. after Vince plugged him on the Leno show in episode 3, perhaps his business blew up and he got himself a bigger space for cars and homes on the side? that one makes sense, haha
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that's explained.
Turtle says "I liked you better when you were selling stereos."
I must've missed that line.
It's funny, the GWH thing bugs you but Rufus suddenly owning and operating an Auto Body shop after owning a stereo shop doesn't? You know a lot of people who make that big a career change in that short amount of time? That doesn't seem implausible? I mean, selling home theaters and stereos not exactly fixing busted fenders and rebuilding transmissions.
And the line "I liked you better when you were selling stereos" Doesn't "explain" how Rufus went from one career to another. It just acknowledges it's the same character.
rufus had a business of installing stereos in home and in cars. at that facility he also did body work, etc.
shareUh - I think the Professor in GWH is the 3rd or 4th lead.
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Professor Lambeau
He's got more screentime than Ben Affleck.
Yeah he was such a lead you couldn't even remember how to spell his name in the OP. Let's remind the folks at home what you wrote: "If you use Stellan Skarsdale - don't mention Good will Hunting."
Robin Williams won an academy award for best "supporting" actor in GWH.
Did Stellan Skarsgård have more scenes than Robin Williams? More screentime?
If Robin Williams isn't considered a "lead actor" and only "supporting actor" would it be fair to say that Stellan Skarsgård was a supporting actor as well? Hence, not a lead?
I'm curious... did you look at your watch and count the seconds of screen time for Stellan Skarsgård and Ben Affleck?
What exactly is the point of this post anyway? I hope you weren't trying to strengthen your post because you didn't.
They just had similar outlook to writing as the show had to life. Take the easy way, live the dream, don't let the realities of life limit you, don't let the facts cause problems. If you don't like the facts just re-think them and hope nobody notices. Ari was completely different person in actual show than he was on pilot, they just decided to go to another direction and forget what they were going in at the pilot. Happens on lot of shows, but Entourage just has incredible convenient and easy going relationship with itself.
shareWow, ive watched Entourage so many times, and i never have thought about the Dana Gorden case until now. Im embarassed that i havent noticed that :p.
She does pick up her kid at the school during the Aquaman stuff, and yet in the last season she doesnt have a family. Thats really a huge turn around
Doug Ellin during an interview mentions that the show took liberties with character continuity for the sake of plot necessities at a give time.
shareProbably the millionth guy to mention this but I'm not reading every reply .... Rufus did go from Stereo installs to car repairs. Turtle even references is in that episode when they are detailing Johnny's car. He tells Rufus he liked him better when he was selling stereos ....
share"she is single, never married and wants a child with Ari."
That was a joke. Don't you even remember that scene?? Why is it that 80% of people on this site complaining about mistakes or plot holes and such are usually wrong.
I think that's just silly. They blurred the lines between the Entourage world and the real world all the time.
Vince dated Mandy Moore in the Entourage world, but in the real world there's no Vince Chase for Mandy Moore to date.
In Entourage world, Johnny Drama appeared in 90210, "License to Drive," and who knows what else. In the real world, Kevin Dillon wasn't even in those projects.
Why shouldn't Good Will Hunting exist in a TV show-world where Matt Damon does and has appeared and interacted with Vince?
These aren't continuity errors. They're a deliberate blurring of the lines between reality and the show.
The second 'Rufus" episode featured Turtle trying to go out with Rufus' beautiful daughter. He does finally get to take her out, but that relationship is never shown or mentioned again. I wonder why, because she was hot.
shareIt's almost as if the OP doesn't even get the show. It doesn't matter if there's things that break the fourth wall. The whole point is that the characters openly reference the real world entertainment industry. Any instance where the fictional characters and real life people "overlap" is clearly the writers' just trying to have fun with it
shareI think the OP was not being as seriously critical as some are assuming...
Or maybe he is. None of this bothers me but it's interesting and an issue any show based in Hollywood is bound to face. I remember a fake IMDb page for Johnny Drama floating around once, the credits were hilarious
Blurring lines and reality - i guess i don't understand that.
In the entourage world, Ari is an agent, Vince is a star, Johnny did TV. So Johnny Chase and Vince are an addition to the real world - essentially which is what I'm asking.
They reference real movies all the time - So why reference real movies when some of the actors in those movies are characters are playing different characters.
Mentioning Lil Bow Wow suggests he's a real person in the entourage universe, but now having Lil Bow Wow as a character - then why mention him in the first place?
I don't think this is intentional, I think it's a mistake.
Good Will Hunting was mentioned right after Vince got fired. This is a continuity issue. Either use a different director or don't use Good Will Hunting. It's inconsistent.
I don't know why the excuse of "the writers are just having fun with it" is a good answer, because there isn't structure.
The point is it's sloppy.
Oh, well in that case your logic is wrong. You know how many freaking movies Jeremy Piven has been in? If none of those movies existed so many other actors' careers would have played out differently. Obviously we don't want to hear Ari rambling about how much he hates Jeremy Piven, that's cheesy, but there is nothing wrong with it. Ari Gold is a character introduced to the universe of Entourage; there's no reason Jeremy Piven must be subtracted.
Lil Bow Wow was not a character on the show, Lil Bow Wow played a character named Charlie. That is not a continuity issue, it is just mildly humorous. Again, I don't want Charlie co-starring with Bow Wow, etc.
Same thing with Vince's mom. It's VINCE'S MOM. She was never in Good Will Hunting. She's hardly ever left Queens. Why does this mean the movie Good Will Hunting could not be made?
Now, if you want to get into actor's playing versions of themselves and how that clashes with reality, etc., well then we are essentially getting into a time travel paradox discussion and I want none of it!
Another example I noticed was when they spoke about the guy who plays Homer Simpson earning 650k an episode, even though Dan Castellaneta played the school headteacher in a few earlier episodes.
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Never realised the Dana Gordon thing until now.
The issue with Ari changing his views on cheating from episode 1 and then throughout is common with pilot episodes. I think it was the right thing to do as he became pretty much everyone's favourite character. The fact that he is so rude and abrasive but would never consider cheating on Mrs Ari is what makes him so likeable.
Exactly what I was going to say! The intense love and sweetness for his wife and children is heart-warming. If they'd kept the womanizing trait, his character would have no redeeming features at all, nothing to dilute the over the top abuse of his employees. If you notice, no matter how horribly he treats his employees, they always forgive him and let it go, thus showing us that they know he has a heart and it's mostly exaggerated machismo, sometimes humorous, gibberish.
It's breaking the fourth wall. Even the Sopranos did this. They talk about and listen to Frankie Valli, and the real Frankie Valli plays a gangster in season 5.
shareI always took Ari's BRAGGING about banging every hot actress, etc. as just that. BRAGGING. He talked alot of smack but in the end he really was stuck on his wife. Which I thought was a great touch. He could say the most horrific awful things about what he WOULD do but I never for a single second believed he'd act on those words.
I agree with mcgill_j about Ari. After getting a few episodes in it became clear to me that Ari was all talk when it came to affairs. There were some references to "affairs" he had prior to getting married and it's not clear if he was dating or engaged to Mrs. Ari at the time.
I'm currently re-watching all the episodes and don't remember the family references Dana made in the later seasons. Is it possible she was divorced? Maybe her ex got custody or if her child was about the same age as Ari's oldest they were over 18 by the later episodes and out of the house and maybe even estranged from her.
On the other issue, if an actor is playing a character then on the show they are that character. The "real" actor in a movie/show they mentioned would still exist in the Entourage world. If an actor made a brief cameo then it was just that, the actor making a cameo. If the actor was playing themselves, like Mandy Moore, they weren't playing themselves 100%, they were playing an Entourage character based on them. Was Mandy Moore ever engaged to the guy that was playing her fiance?