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absolutely horrible - just awful - what a piece of *beep*


don't waste your time or money.

one of the worst movies ever made.

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Very few movies have made me feel like I had just wasted my life by watching them. This one probably tops the list.

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youre yet to watch irreversible then...

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Irreversible puts this movie to shame on every single possible level, except probably ability to bore. If you're one of those people who think it was just some movie with a really long rape scene, I advise you to watch it again and look closer.

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it is just some movie with a really long rape scene. the symbolism was pathetic, the storyline was a joke, the character development was non existant and it relied completely on shock factor to entertain.
im yet to find a redeeming factor in this movie, and telling someone to "look closer" is completely pointless. you could show me a canvas covered in *beep* and when i tell you its boring your response is "look closer", this doesnt now mean theres something there that i missed.

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How was the symbolism pathetic exactly? What symbolism did u identify and why was it pathetic? How was the character development non-existent? The film doesn't end with the rape scene after all. Many other people found the scenes after the rape scene entertaining, I know I did.

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like most sane people i turned it off during the rape scene. if youre unable to capture an audience in any way by that point and rather make them lose all interest and leave you can consider the movie to be pretty much useless. some of us need more than shock factor and fast paced nonsense to keep our interest, you on the other hand apparently thrive on these things. to each their own.

the symbolism was pathetic because it was unnecessary. using ridiculous things like the erratic camera movements for the sake of symbolism is stupid, because it in no way adds to the film. sure, it adds to the feeling of uneasiness and frustration but then so do the less than subtle inconsistencies in shutter island and that didnt make you want to turn the movie off. but since youre the one who said im not looking deep enough, feel free to point out what im missing.

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Why don't you try watching the whole film first before you judge it.

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why would i keep watching something that not only disgusts and offends me but appears to be going nowhere? it looked like a movie with as much value as that *beep* twentynine palms and i wasnt gonna make the same mistake twice.
my time is far more valuable than to be wasted on this crap, and besides, i looked up what happened later so i could see if there was anything i missed. there wasnt.

fact: the onus is on the film makers to maintain MY interest. not on me to put up with their shortcomings in the hope they pull it together in the end.

film making is a business like any other, if you cant capture an audience you fail. this movie failed. miserably.

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"it is just some movie with a really long rape scene. the symbolism was pathetic, the storyline was a joke, the character development was non existant and it relied completely on shock factor to entertain."

You can criticize the rape scene all you want, but NOT the whole movie seeing as how you DID NOT watch it in its entirety. Storyline? Character development? What would you know about it? You didn't even watch the whole film -__-

Just because it APPEARS to be going nowhere doesn't mean it went nowhere.

The fact that you "looked up what happened later" means absolutely nothing. There's a reason we watch movies and not read about them. (at first anyway) You're not going to find any symbolism or hidden gems in some plot summary. So on the contrary, there WERE things you missed.

Not every movie's purpose is to "entertain" by the way. Many people were very interested in the film and were captivated by it. Yours wasn't. Nothing I can do about that.

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wait so, youre saying there was no storyline or character development in the first hour or so of the movie? and...im meant to feel confident in continuing to watch this movie? right...

it went nowhere.

do tell me then, what did i miss? youre yet to do that. all ive heard thus far is how im not allowed to have an opinion on something i didnt see the entirity of. on the contrary, i saw what is considered the peak of that movie. the part everyone else talks about. this isnt a movie that people left going "oh my god the ending of that movie was amazing" and it didnt get a reputation for having an amazing ending. <---uh what? repetition much?

many people are also morons, so feel free to apply your logical fallacy as some kind of proof of its quality, ill continue to comment on how pathetic the movie was. thanks anyway.

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Well this is the last thing I'll say about this:

"wait so, youre saying there was no storyline or character development in the first hour or so of the movie? and...im meant to feel confident in continuing to watch this movie? right..."

- Hmmm, well that's NOT what I'm saying seeing as how I never said that. I said because it appears to be going nowhere doesn't mean it went nowhere, you'd know that if you watched the 2nd half.

I mean like I said before, you don't know where it went, though you think you did with your precious little plot summary. Me explaining it to you would be fruitless for these reasons:

1. I can't explain it better than the film can show
2. if your not disciplined enough movie-watcher to watch the 2nd half then you probably won't understand the deeper meaning regardless
3. judging by your tone, your too upset with the rape scene to place any significance on what happens after

Many people left the theater feeling very satisfied with the overall film, because the ending added more meaning to the rape scene, so keep thinking that an amazing ending is the only thing a film needs to be great.

"many people are also morons, so feel free to apply your logical fallacy as some kind of proof of its quality, ill continue to comment on how pathetic the movie was. thanks anyway."

- Your response is a logical fallacy. The irony in that statement is unbelievable. You judge a whole film, not a half of a film, but the whole film based on seeing only half of it, yet I say you aren't qualified to make such judgments, but I'm the one making the logical fallacy?... Well you are right...many people are morons.

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through all your bantering theres still one point that remains true...you havent given one single point to explain why the movie was more than just one really long rape scene. referencing vague points about other people liking it and the second half "adding to the rape scene" dont mean anything. face it, youve got nothing.
im glad that was the last thing you had to say, as you still havent addressed my first.

by the way, argumentum ad populum is an established logical fallacy, your point about my judging the movie without seeing it to completion is however not. there is no possible way to redeem the movie after the point, regardless of whatever nonsense you may believe.

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