ok lets get this right omi has been a monk from day one and fighting evil all of his life and rai becomes leader but i think we all know omi should have become leader after all omi was the one who saved them from chase young and in time after time heck he traveled back in time and turned chase young good so why the freak does rai get to be leader?
shareHow long have you been watching this show? Anyone who has watched and loved this show as much as I have, knows that Raimundo has the potential to be a great leader. Did you see Mala Mala Jong, In the Flesh, Days Past, and Citadel of Doom? If Rai hadn't saved them then and trapped Wuya in the puzzle box, then there would be no Omi to save them from Chase. Did you even see the showdown? Rai was the one out there taking the beating. Plus, Omi thinks too much of himself. "Oh, I'm the Xiaolin Dragon of Water. I'm going to be the Grand Master Xiaolin Dragon." Dude, get over yourself! I don't think that that is a good leader quality. In almost every episode, he downs someone on the team. I watched the one where Master Fung said that he would pick one Wuadi Warrior today, and Omi said that it couldn't be Kimiko because she was a girl, and he just laughed at the thought of Raimundo being leader. Omi SO got what he deserved.
sharedo you even know how rai got that box omi traveled back in time and got the box from grand master dashi himself, so if omi never want back in back time every body would be freaked up and not to mention omi was the only one with guts to stand up to chase young and beat him in a showdown now.heck he even want back in time and and turn chase young good for a while now tell would rai ever have the guts to do that,and omi is not full of himself he really just giveing them advice and the reason im mad at rai being leader is because omi was a xiaolin dragon before rai and gang where even there well let me put it like this.its like your boss giveing a rise to guy who just now started on the job and did something here and there,when he knows darn well you have been working your fingers to the freaking bone for 17 years its about respect.
shareIm not surprised that Omi wasn't chosen to be leader. It would be too obvious to choose Omi as a leader. He is pretty much considered the main character and of all the dragons he is the strongest and most skilled. However in the last two episodes Omi is the one the boasts the most on getting Jack undies and doing the best quest to show everyone else up. He believed that he would be able to find himself in the future to find the wereabouts of the sands of time only to get caught by jack. Then after creating a bad future by taking the sheng gong wu and dojo he makes it worse in trying to turn Chase Young good resulting in a worse enemy in master Monk Guan. So how did Rai become leader. First he comes up with the plan to get the sands of time back. He has kumiko use the Denshi Bunny to find the wu while he tracked her with the mindreader conch. He then uses the cannon blaster to get to the sheng gong wu vault and got the combination to get the sands of time. Then in the alternative present Rai leads the plan to stop Omi from freezing himself and changing the past even willing to take the Lao Mang Long soup in Chase's place. Then using the cannon blaster to get to frozen omi and directing the others in the showdown. Heck he faced Wu Ya, Monk Guan, Roy Bean and Chase Young all by himself. Now could you tell me why Omi deserved to be leader after that. Even though Omi is the first dragon, most skill and strongest he lacks the abilities needed to become a leader
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do you wont some facts to why omi should be leader ok remember when rai and kumiko where trapped in that box omi found the door knob and freed them while rai was still useing a cub to break loose,and about what you said about omi are forgeting who won the final showdown lets see omi he used the orb and got dojo himself.and if rais such a good leader then why was he still in jail when omi showed up.and drinking the soup would have been a bad idea because then he would have caused omi,clay and kumiko more trouble so lets face facts here omi just ripped off.
Rai didn't even use a cub or club if thats what you mean. He used the mantis flip coin to imagine the imaginary box has bars. Yes Omi won the last showdown but that doesn't necessarily mean leadership. Considering that Rai took out all the others in his fight, Omi had a relatively easy job. A leader leads which what Rai was doing by reading my last post. It was called a final test for a reason. So technically everything leading up to the last two episodes were probably used to build the experience need to do it. When Rai was in jail and Omi showed Kumiko was chosen leader and Clay was chosen for the alternate present. Think about what Omi's actions by freezing himself did. The Xiaolin were left with one less dragon, no dojo to sense the sheng gong wu, and less sheng gong wu for the others to use. So even if the others put a tracer on Jack Splicer like before they would always be one step behind. I will admit that Omi is strong, won a lot of battles and saved the team a bunch of times. But when it comes to leading Omi has been shown to act on his own accord more then any member. Freeing Chase when Jack takes over and lying about it to the others, Going to Chase to learn repulse the monkey amd lying about it to the others even going to the ying-yang world before consulting dojo to name a few. Even if it did ended up saving the team by acting on his own was not being a leader. Think of the definition of a leader (somebody who guides or directs others). Just by that Rai's actions in the last battle shows that he was the one to be leader.
my friend they all helped in that last showdown you know come to think about it everybody should have got an upgrade not just rai and about omi takeing dojo and the orb think about this, at the time omi was time traveling everytinhg was already in a mess anyway so i think the last thing on anybody mind was getting sheg gong wu besides all omi was just take the orb its not like he take a crap load of sheng gong wu with him.and about him going to chase at least he didnt join the evil side as fast as rai did i mean in just 3 freaking episodes for rai to be on the bad side.i mean all wuyu had to do was show him a few video games and pizza and bam rai is bad while it take omi almost a season to join to bad heck the only reason he joined the bad side is because he left hes yang side behind.you said a leader guides and directs others well what the freak do you think omi has been doing since season one.you know what i think omi has a right to treat the gang the way he does because remember the first episode when omi was offering them to teach them a few moves they treated him like crap heck rai pulled down omis pants when he was talking.
shareTheres no point in arguing if you don't get things right. First he did take a lot of sheng gong wu orb of tornami, changing chopsticks, eye of dashi, crouching couger to name a few. Where do you think he got that bag of sheng gong wu. He had it before he reached Jacks vault and they only grabbed the sands of time. Second it was more then just going to the ying yang world that kept Omi on Chase's side it was also his promise to serve Chase which was changed after the team fought for his freedom. Yes Wu Ya turns Rai quite easily but he still tried to get his friends freedom by trying to convince them to join. Even though he was on the Hay lin side it wasn't like he was really evil. Heck after everyone was caught he chose his friends over power. How many times do I have to say final test. As master Fung said, "A leader would rise from the quest" not we already know who's going to be leader or whoever thinks of the best quest wins. So everything that has happend until then was probably training for the last test. Now looking at the final test Rai was the one directing the orders. I don't remember an instance where Omi took command of the group. Before the final showdown Rai says that they wont lose and Omi gives him this strange how can you be so confident look. Rai directed the others the same way Roy Bean was doing for Hay lin's side. Heck Rai was the one that jumped in to save Kumiko and take on Chase Young, Hanibal Roy Bean, Wu Ya and Master Monk Guan giving Omi the opportunity to get Dojo. A leader is more then being the strongest, winning the most showdowns or being a teacher like what Omi was doing in the first episode. A leader needs to take command and adjust to the situation like Rai did in the final battle.
shareI'm glad Rai got choosen as leader, hopefully that will make Omi's ego less annoying next season if there is one. In your face Omi HA And he said Rai wouldn't be leader! I laugh at the fact that he said that and Rai got choosen. If there is a fourth season I can't wait to see how Rai hanndles things.
shareok think about this put your self in omi's place you been a xiaolin dragon for who knows how long so you think you would get something for your trouble,but too your surprize somebody else becomes leader so all that training and hard work was for nothing,i mean come on omi should have got an upgrade at least some goes for clay and kimuko.thats another thing what about kimuko she deserved to be leader then rai so they all deserve a upgrade not just rai.
shareHonestly it's like talking to a brick wall. Omi has been at the temple since a baby seeing as how he doesn't have a last name. Right he did do all that training and work and it wasn't for nothing it was part of becoming a dragon not becoming leader. Someone could be a master at martial arts but that doesn't necessarily mean they are fit to lead especially someone with a huge ego like that of Omi. Time after time he belittles his allies abilities while Rai is more of a jokester. Then theres the fact he acts more independently then as a team member. I cant count the number of times he goes off on his own only to lie to his team mates later even though it is for the good of the team it's not working together like a leader should do. Anyways they're all wudai warriors and the only higher stages mentioned were Shoku warrior - leader of the group, master - Fung, master monk - monk Guan and grand master - Dashi. So there isn't any upgrade they could have gotten. How many times I have to say final test or quest as it may have been. Tell me what did Kumiko do in the last battle that would show she had the qualities of being a leader?
sharewhy cant you just face facts omi was ripped off and its not like omi is always be littleing his team mates to tell you the truth he only did in episodes other then that he cares about his team members,ok if you think rai makes such a good leader then tell me how did the cliff hanger of season started lets see rai got made because he didnt get upgraded (by the way omi tryed to cheer him up)which lead to him turning evil and giveing wuyu her body back whichalmost lead to the whole mother freaking world being destroyed.ok i dont know about you but if rai thats easy to go the dark side (keep in mind hes the leader) then thats going to be one heck of danger to the xiaolin dragons,still think rai should be leader?sure you my think rais a good leader but you havent looked at the details at all.and about kumiko she was the main one that keep everybody on track when wu was around.
shareTheres no point in me trying to argue with someone who doesn't even use proper grammar and I have better things to do then argue with someone all summer long. But of all the post how many have agreed with you so far.
sharerai would be a great leader because he was once evil so he knows the enemy, and he is against it, plus omi is wayyyy to trusting
shareNot to mention Omi's ego would get in the way of his team mates trying to do things. Whether or not Omi has been there for a long time doesn't excuse the fact that others should be choosen as leader. Rai has done a great job leading people into battles so I think its a good think Omi is not in charge, like I said before he would probaly just tell every one off and battle things himself like he has done before <_<
shareit looks like my points are to complex for you and the rai fans
shareOr maybe ours are to complex for you, becuase you don't seem to be getting them.
shareyour a rai fan so no matter what i say your going to disagree.
shareJust becuase I happen to be a fan of a character doesn't mean I disagree with every one, and any ways your disagreeing with every one that has put an opinion this thus far. So as long as some one doesn't agree with you they always seem to be wrong to you. So its really you who is causing disagreements and such.
sharelike i said before your a rai fan so your going to disagree no matter what i say.
shareSame goes to you I guess, only being an Omi fan I guess its worse for you but whatever XD
shareOran, did you actually read what robin said? she's completely correct. Yes, I do see some of the points you've come across, but that doesn't give omi the potential to be the leader. Yes, Rai went to the dark side, but so did omi. and Rai went to the dark side because he tried to save Master Fung. Omi went to the dark side because he kept his word with Chase.
Also, it would probably put a bit of a twist in the plot, seeing as Omi was (In my opinion) mainly the leader for the first seasons.
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because of some simple facts:
1.omi did travel back in time and made chase good, but when he returned it made things worse: master monk guam became evil and evil nearly ruled the earth!
2.omi is to arrogant
3.clay is to stupid
4. kimiko is a girl (a very hot girl)
5. an raimundo is da best warrior ever!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't think clay is stupid it's just he's too passive. All you need to beat him is a camera (because he freezes) or a bunch of girls (since he refuses to fight girls). I think being a girl isn't the reason why kimiko wouldn't be a good leader but because of her temper. It has been shown that she loses her temper the most (makes sense because she has the fire element) then she talks on the phone almost all the time (showdown against catnappe anyone?) both of which could cause trouble for the team. Besides other arguments it wouldn't make sense for Omi to be leader since he's already the chosen one. The leader would have to try to keep Omi from becoming evil so it wouldn't make much sense for Omi to help keep himself from turning evil.
Dat really makes a lot of sense!
now i can see clearly now that i've been very wrong about things, but not about the fact that raimundo is da bst!!!
ps. did you know that there is going to be a xiaolin showdown game out soon on ps2?!!!
pps. how old r u and r u a boy or girl? (b4 u ask y, i just wanna know :))
I think Omi is WAY better than Rai. But, Chase Young, is better than both of em'.
share...holy frikkin crizzap Rai deserves it. omi is way too obvious. he's also FRIGGIN FULL OF HIMSELF!!!! Rai is usually always takin the beating from people and he turns evil 3 times but twice he was taken over and once he just did it for all the stuff but he comes to his senses and comes back to the good side to find that Master Fung wants to make him an apprentice but he knows that he doesnt deserve it so he doesnt accept and a person with no leadership skills wouldve accepted and been greedy and Rai was honest and took the apprentice sash only when he knows he deserves it and that shows that he can be a true leader (BIG BREATH). :0=
shareHoly crap. If only I hadn't lost internet service over the summer I really could have contributed to this conversation. There are many points as to why Rai was chosen and not Omi. Most of them havent' even been mentioned yet.
Oh, well. I don't feel liek explaining my own theories/reasons right now, specially since the argument is pretty much over with (oran has obviously given up on it), unless, of course, someone is actually interested in my long winded opinion. I've already been razzed enough times abotu being long winded.
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I think they all should have been upgraded. Yeah, Rai, lead a lot of the time, but in the earlier seasons Omi lead. Clay doesn't turn to the dark side easily at all (Rai went to the dark side just because he didnt make apprentice, Omi because of yin yoyo) , Clay also doesn't lose his temper, and Kimiko would never turn evil, she's very powerful, and she's underestimated. I don't think there should be one leader, they all have their flaws, but another of them doesn't which makes up for it.
shareEh...they can't [i[all[/i] be leader. It doesn't...work that way. TO many captains, not enough crew. Tht kinda thing. Too many cooks will spoil the pot. There are tons of metaphores for that sort of predicament. Poin tis, only one of them could have been a leader. You dont' ahve to be a fan of anyone in particular to know who it should have been. IN my opinion, all the trials that the characters faced through the series were all tests. Tests to see which would surpass themselves and move on to a higher plane, so to speak.
All in all, the characters each changed for the good. Kimiko learned to keep her temper in check, sh elearned to be calm. Clay learned to stick up for himself and to not allow others to choose his path for him. Omi learned inumerous lessons, however it wasn't until ther last episode he leraned a lesson in true humility, the greatest lesson he needed to learn. This is another step for Omi. IF he can handle Rai having been chosen over him, it will be another step on his ladder. Omi is the chosen one. He is the one that will defeat darkness in the end (at least...I beleive that was what it was) and as such he needs to learn wisdom, humility and all those other things that will lead him to be a great spiritual leader. Omi is not going to be the leader of the team of four, his destiny is much greater then that. Rai has, essemtially, been chosen as Omi's gaurd, in a way.
Omi and Rai have both gone through the most challenges. Rai being the one with the most changes. IF Rai hadn't been tempted by the darkness he woudl still have his issues. HE wouldnt' have learned the hard way that you can;t always have what you want so long as you place the good of the world, adn your freinds, first. He learned all his lessons the hard way, just as Omi did. They were al limportant ones. Rai didnt;' simply join the dark side because he didnt' become apprentice. He joined because he didnt' feel appreciated. He took a stupid risk in going back. HE didnt' think things through. He wanted to help Master Fung, but he did it in a way that jeapordized everyone else. Yes, Omi was the onethat came up with the plan to defeat Mala Mala Jong, but it was also a simple plan.
Rai has proven to be a graet strategist. Rai has proven that he can lead. Omi can come up with simple adn consise plans, plans that wouldnt' really occur to others, but it doesn't make him leader material. Omi wouldn't be able to handle commanding team attacks. He goes in head first adn doesnt' consider the consequences. Rai has proven time adn time again that he will sacrifice himself in order for the most oppertune of them to get real job done. Rai can command the entire group adn organize them in order to get the job done.
I can list more reliable reasons as to why picking Rai was the correct descision, but if what I jsut said doens't convince poeple, well that just means your hopeless adn are simply sticking to fanatical points of view due to your obssessive natures.
Yes, I am obssessive abotu characters, but nto abotu any of these characters. I reserve all my obssessions for more serious characters and shows.
IS it jsut me or did that sound a little rude? IF so, I appologize, I wasn't meaning to insult anyone.
But anyway, that is the end of my, err....wow. THat was nearly an essay up there.....
ALso, sorry for any mispelled words or out of place letters, I am always having difficulty when typing on a key baord. ANd I'm tired right so yeah.
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Wow, lots of arguing. I think Rai was the best choice. As everyone's said, Omi's too headstrong, Kimiko has a temper, and I don't think Clay would be a good leader because he's really the muscle of the group... and in any team, the muscle isn't the leader. Look at the Fantastic Four or the Avengers. The Hulk is the muscle, and the Thing is the muscle, neither of them leaders. Rai was the best choice.
shareWell, Clay would have been a good leader, but Rai isn't a bad choice either.
It's a nice little bit of character development.
Actuly if you saw Time After Time Part 2 it shows what Clay would have done as Leader during battle. He didn't do any thing at all he tolled every one to retreat and go back to the farm to help it. I mean what kind of lame person does that? No fighting the villains and just help the farm. I mean WTF would the farm have done? I don't get his way of thinking, stupid cowboy showed he didn't do a good job, wish some one would have yelled at him for that. I say Rai was def the best choice but I already explained why.
shareDamn i wish i was here earlier... anyway here's my take on leadership:
1. Omi can't become the leader because he is too young and NAIVE. He is also very rigid (ex: stayed with Chase), inflexible (ex:learn how to destroy all evil but didn't), arrogant, self assured, and a little narcissistic (ex: should be obvious).
2. Rai isn't a good choice for leader because he is very rebellious (ex: first betrayal), rash (ex: mala mala...), impatient+stubborn (ex: obvious).
3. Kimiko is HOT tempered PERIOD! (ex: obvious) If she could control it she would be hands down the best leader since she is the most intelligent, resourceful and the most innovative in combat (ex: mind reader...).
4. Clay hmmm i alway thought of him with the most leadership potential because he was the only one with a level head in most situations, which is an IMPORTANT leadership quality. Yes he has some flaws but they aren't really serious character flaw like the one from the rest of the team, he has a lot of potential if his character is developed more.
Since it's been a looong time after watching it i don't remember specific episodes or the names of the Wu.
God bless you people!
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