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I KNOW WHO IS SUPPOSED TO KILL J.T. SPOILERS!


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Carl. He kills that many lady in order to fulfill time rift, and tries to kill J.T. in order to fix it so he doesn't break it. He gets so caught up in his theory that he doesn't want to be proven wrong. In the conclusion, Quaid's character finds out Carl killed the lady, and is going to kill J.T. NOW I HAVE ANOTHER SPOILER CONCERNING J.T.'S FATE...


























J.T. survives. Quaid's cope character shoots Carl before he can shoot J.T. He goes to the porn shop w/ Jesse and "Claudia" to escape Roy after Roy's guys kill the two officers watching the house. FINAL SPOILER, WHO SENT THE BRIEFCASE?




















Jesse sent the case from the future. She is the one who invented the metal, too.

I compare Jesus to that book salesman who has question marks on his jacket.

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How you know all that?

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Its funny because that Carl thing was a theory I thought up after watching Day 3. Carl knew that he could get away with it because the files said the homicide was never solved. It was said in both Day 2 and 3 that the paper was really old, so he would know that he would go unpunished for at least how old the paper was.

One thing though. Just because Carl was going to kill JT in this timeline doesn't mean that he was originally going to kill him. In the original timeline, JT would have never gotten the briefcase and never given it to Carl. So he wouldnt even know that JT would get murdered. If the spoilers tenaciousd say are true, then we could assume Roy Bremmer would have killed JT. However, what would have stopped Roy from killing Jesse, too? I guess we'll have to see.

Somehow I hope I am wrong and the ending totally shocks me.

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If roy was orignally supposed to kill J.T., then not anymore. The reason he can't find him and carl can is because: J.T. goes to the strip club w/ Jesse and "Claudia" when two of his goons kill the officers guading the house sent by the cop. They find planted thigns that would leave them to believe that they went somewhere else, the strip club would be the last thing they could guess. Just watch and see.

I compare Jesus to that book salesman who has question marks on his jacket.

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Just so you know, "spoiler" refers to what you KNOW to be the way it turns out (because you've already seen it), not to a theory.

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The show is over now, but still fun to look at a few things. By my score you did get one right, i.e. that Jesse sent the case.

Right off the bat it was a fairly safe bet that the case wasn’t sent by JT, Carl, Roy or Sikorski.

Presumably, JT being died would have preventing him from sending the case.

Sikorski also, likely dead (current age +50) but, if not, what would be the motive? Unsolved case? If that were true then you would expect something more than just the evidence to be in the case.

Carl because of where the case was sent, to JT and not himself. That the case was sent to JT is key here. While one can come up with a reason why Sikorski or Carl wouldn’t send the case to themselves, the justification for doing so makes sense mostly in some sort of convoluted plot with a looping timeline. However, if you

Surprisingly, Claudia would be a likely candidate for having both means and opportunity to send the case. This supposes that she wasn’t kidnapped during the first murder.

Of all the things in the case we have two clues, the handwritten note of suspects and the ease of which Jesse later opens the case herself. A note with writing not recognizable (Jesse’s hand not being developed to the stage where it would match as of yet) to JT or apparently the others who get to see this note.

So the writers having Jesse sending the case seems reasonable, what doesn’t seem reasonable is that more effort wasn’t paid to trying to figure out the sender (course this being a movie, we understand why).

Perhaps this was addressed and I missed the answer, but was the case itself and its physical presence in this reality ever discussed as a disturbing influence? I suppose that one could point to Carl’s stealing of the case as his awareness of it being a problem, but still how would he resolve the problem of its existence? There really wouldn’t seem to be any way one could deal with the case without assuming some sort of ‘property of relativistic elasticity’.

This is really the problem with the series. Either reality is self-correcting and thereby corrected Mandy into her proper death-state or Mandy’s car accident was just that, an accident. Either outcome proves Carl wrong, since neither requires his interaction.

I don’t think it is likely that Jesse invented the case. The technology of the case isn’t really that far out-of-reach. Carbon-based nano tubes have been ultra-bleeding edge technology for awhile now. Nothing about the case would seem to need 50 years of technology behind it. Interestingly, 50 years is consistent with projections of significant changes in human/A.I. development. I suspect the writers wish us to think Jesse found a means to send the case.

I’d go as far to suggest that the case would have been mass produced or produced from a create-on-demand system. The case doesn’t seem to be time-travel-task specific. It isn’t seamless, it isn’t a basic geometric shape (some sides are rounded while others are sharp-edged), it has his name on it, and it has an LED-looking panel. Oddly, it has a combination lock which makes little sense to me. Why not key it to his thumbprint or DNA? [Answer: It’s only a movie.] My best guess is that the case was picked simply for security, in the off chance someone else found it.

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the cop kills J.T. Carl blieves that the timeline has to fulfil so he tried to kill J.T after. But then he begins to believe that right at that moment when J.T did not die at 3.55am, hes living in a parallel universe. Future Jesse sent the brifecase. happy ending.

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in the original sequence of events daddy dies.
jesse is too young to understand it all, and people tend to keep things that might disturb kids from them.
but she's a bright kid, and tries endlessly to find out who killed her dad.
she collects material like the newspaper article, eventually lays hands on the police file.
then the means to send stuff to the past arrives. either jesse invented it, or someone else did, it doesn't really matter.
but then it dawns on her that not only might she be able to find out who murdered her father, she might actually be able to prevent it.
so she packs the stuff into the briefcase, which by then might be as common as a paperbag today.
but to whom can she send it and expect the murder to be prevented?
not to herself, because if she'd give the stuff to her dad at age 10, he would dismiss it right away. it has to be sent to daddy himself, and in a way that he takes it seriously.
but how do that?
jesse knows exactly where the both of them were on her birthday, and the combination lock is neccessary to give daddy the means to open it himself.

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I like andy's rap up. One small point. How and when did the contents of the briefcase change? what is the sci-fi reasoning for the change?

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