Sin City wasn't the first 'noir' film or indeed the first film to ultilise the black and white style.
So, stop with the "OMG, DAT IS SO A RIP-OFF! WTF!" comments. Even if you do word them better then that, they're still wrong.
Film noir was invented more than 50 years ago...
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_noir<<;
Thank you for repeating what I said. /sarcasm
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Film Noir wasn't invented, it was a tendency in American movies that the French actually had to inform us was there.
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noir was actuly invented a long time ago. but sin city was defietly the first film that had very artistic-fiction cinimatography. it started a whole new (jon-rah) i cant spell. there are going to be many films doing this style in the future.
shareFilm noir wasn't invented. It was penned in the fifties by the French, citing the dark cinematic elements of these crime stories, literally translating to mean "black film." "Sin City" wasn't the first feature length film to utilize the digital technique that made it such an artistic achievement. That, I think, goes to Kerry Condon's "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow." But "Sin City" was the first to combine the two, and arguably the first true successful use of this technology, whereas both "Sky Captain" and "Polar Express" received less praise, and more mixed reviews than did the comic adaptation.
But what, if anything, does this have to do with "Renaissance"? This movie looks to resemble so many other films, and yet seem very unique as well.
sky captain was far more traditional cinametography than sin city.
sharefilm noir was penned by the french in the fifties?
what the heck man...ever heard of Dashell Hammet or um...The Maltese Falcon...or anything of that genre...
it was the 30's and forties...
influenced by pulp magaizines...
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Yeah, right!
Film Noir is american for sure, haha. :D
The Noir genre/ technique was introduced by the French mate. Thus the word "Noir" Which translates to "black" in english... Sorry to dissapoint.
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"The Noir genre/ technique was introduced by the French mate. Thus the word "Noir" Which translates to "black" in english... Sorry to dissapoint."
Sorry to dissapoint right back at ya, just because the term for it was coined by a frenchmen doesn't make it french. Noir films were mainly Hollywood crime movies from the 40's and 50's with the themes that were mentioned above.
The visual style, if anything, owes more to German movies than French.
Why does everyone keep citing "Sin City" as some kind of achievement. The only thing it achieved was making half the audiance disappear before the first 30 mins were up. It's a terrible movie made worse by a hokey, poinless, and annoying "style." Althought I wouldn't call it a style so much as a butchering.
sharesin city wasnt animated, this film is. its like saying spirited away ripped off who framed roger rabbit.
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Thanks mate... That comment gave me the best chuckle today.
sharetotally bs - despite the quality of the picture, dick tracy did it before sin city and it wasn't the first.
shareYour right about it not being a rip off, but this film still owes much of its style to Sin City. This isn't because of the noir style, but more of the re-invention of the noir style using modern technology and bringing comic stills to life. I don't think its a rip off at all, I just think the director saw something interesting and decided to expand on it.
shareThis movie does not feature hookers killing innocent, law-abiding cops, therefore you cannot compare it to Sin City....
"Name's Leonard Washington. Where I'm from? A little town called Nunyagot%@!&business!!"
its not a rip off at all. all i have to say is. Sin CIty should have filmed the movie like this
shareits some ones artistic vision. It diddnt copy sin city. If anything, SIn city inspired the artists behind this movie. Stop complaining and enjoy the art in these films.
shareexactly! this film was clearly inspired by Sin City in the Black/White contrast idea, but the visual style is so much different it's not even funny. The way frank miller drew sin city he broke many "rules" about the way shadows fall and what should be black or white. He also used colors to emphasize things, like a red dress, or blue eyes, or the yellow bastard.
This film mainly follows physical rules of shadows and they popped the contrast out. For example, there are scenes where you see a character's face, half lit and half dark and you cannot see their eye on the dark side. In Sin City, you will always see both eyes on the characters unless they are blinking.
My main gripe with this film is it took me some time to adjust to the pure black and white style. It was very difficult to discern who was who. I expected this film to be in the visual style of sin city, but animated instead. When it first started, the film looked totally wrong, and I hated it. Then I realized they were not going for the Sin City style, and I stopped trying to compare the two. Then I was able to evaluate the film on its own and I started to enjoy it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasnt Renaissance been a work in progress for the last 5 or so years. I doubt the film makers were even thinking of Sin City. WOW, they both have virtually no color and use animation, so one has to rip the other one off? Are the stories even remotely similar. Here, i'll answer for you... No!
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I invented noir in 1894 in my Aunt Candy's basement. I was just sitting around, you know, eating some freedom fries, and I thunk to myself - "NOIR? NOIR!" and so voila!
Damn, I can speak French pretty good.
Whilst ya'll were fighting about film noir, I watched the movie and enjoyed it.
Do something usefull with yourselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't think americans invented anything but gas guzzling cars. I was about to say that you invented being loud and vulgar, but hell... the Australians beat you to that too. Freedom fries... thats sooo scilly!
shareWe're way too obsessed with how something copies something else, blah, blah, just enjoy the friggin movie!
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urgh, Sin City sucked so badly, its like im taking crazy pills here...
ill sum up Sin City = Noir for dummies!
this one looks the same as Sin City anyways: a watered down pseudo-noir movie, guess ill have to see it to truly give a good judgment there
Noir smoir, is it really worth arguing about? Can't we all just live in peace and harmony and accept the fact that half the people on this board are right, and the other are wrong?
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lol noir for dummies...
the response of someone who covers their lack of knowledge with something that appears to be intellectual
I am not saying i have the be all and end all of cinematic or heck any knowledge to quote Socrates "the only true knowledge comes from knowing you know nothing"
However...i feel like i should say something.
Sin city is a funking comic book. The film was pretty much a straight port from the comic book...many of the key frames from the comic book are in the film...Oh how many of you are going to flame this post saying how un-original this was.
I say....get a decent brain in your skull. Think for yourself, don't flame something cos its cool to hate. Sin city was a good film, a great adaptation from the comic book...which was drawn in the Noir style for a reason...it was a bleeding HOMAGE to film noir and the crime books and novels of the time...get some original thought in your gray matter before you come and critique everything under the sun!
Oh and renaissance...was wikked. Yeh it had cliches but what you fail to realize is that it is a crime story..and every fecking avenue in the style of gritty thriller has been explored and so yeh a lot of it seems cliche.
"but this film still owes much of its style to Sin City"
It doesn't in the slightest, what a moronic comment to make. Sin City popularised a technique that this film doesn't even replicate. The noir style was never re-invented, another style was born through different techniques, ones that don't make a bad film good.
And dont forget the 1998 Korean film "Nowhere to hide" which had some scenes in a club filmed in renaissance-style black and white (could also be said to have been inspired by the Sin City comics) and a fight scene near the start in very-high-contrast black and white (kind of in between Renaissance and Sin City, but done by adding a fancy effect to live action, not using any sort of animation). Of course Nowhere To Hide also has bits with washed-out colour, fight scenes done entirely with shadows, some bits that look like Anime but with real people, and even one bit that looks like every frame was drawn with pencils...
"I dont wanna help the poor at christmas, i'm much too busy in this bird's knickers"
You know, there has been a lot of black and white comics. Any of these could of inspired the look.
shareWell, I don't care which film was the first "noir" film. And I really don't see it to have anything to do with Sin City. What really matters for me is that Renaissance is an amazing and unique visual experience. I agree that the story was not that original, but still, it was told well. In terms of cinematography for example, this film is much better than a half of the Hollywood's blockbusters.
According to this whole "rip-off" logic, simply by putting something on the screen they're already "ripping off" the Lumieres and Edison. Ideas don't come out of nowhere. Art is a process of evolution; new ideas building off of previous ideas. How can anyone even be sure that the filmmakers even saw "Sin City"? Was The Tempest a rip-off of the Odyssey? Was Elija Muhammad a rip-off of Jesus?
shareFilm Noir is about the mood of the people in the movie not that its filmed in black and white - you find lots of black and whte movies witch are not Noir f.x.. the persons in the film dont care, they have given up life, the city the world.. etc.. the have nothing to be happy about All is dead and cold... - but these unique people find a thing they can join up against.. sort off a rebel idiology that DRIVES them towards the ugly end. " a band of uniquely desperate characters driven by greed and bent by corruption" - actually its a coment about the the WW2 WAR - as you also can read about in f.ex Hemmingways literature + alot of other great writes before him.
they way the movie was filmed in the shadows is a reflection on the light and dark/evil side of man and the sense of helplessness and paranoia he travels in at that period.
most of the carracters in the movies tend to switch sides and become the opesit of what you would expect from them - in modern movie terms you see this in SIN CITY and other movies with same styling.
heres a quote from the maltese falcon: "Well, if you get a good break, you'll be out of Tehachapi in twenty years and you can come back to me then. I hope they don't hang you, precious, by that sweet neck. Yes, angel, I'm gonna send you over. The chances are you'll get off with life. That means if you're a good girl you'll be out in twenty years. I'll be waiting for you. If they hang you, I'll always remember you."
this is not just dialog but also a bittersweet remark to how life can turn its ugly side up.
also bogart does what he have to do because he is bound to do so - like his oppesit aponent are to do evil.. the dices has been cast...
just my thoughts - best regards to all movie lovers of the genre.
WANT TO KNOW MORE?:
http://www.filmmonthly.com/Noir/noir.htm
http://www.crimeculture.com/Contents/Film%20Noir.html
At last someone knows what he's talking about !
At bit long but basically that's it.
Film noir is about the mood and mostly nihilism. Not the film colour.
You could say Renaissance is a film noir. The hero dies at the end , doesn't he ?
Not that all films that end with the hero being dead are film noir, you get the point...
No, he doesn't die.
shareThe internet is a wonderful tool...here is a link to Wikipedia about Film Noir:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_Noir
Enjoy the movie!!