I see a lot of comments on how Pam led Jim on...how?? She was best friends with him. From what I see, she treats him like a friend and that's it. Jim was the only one that would ever say anything flirtatious to her...
Even after she finds out he liked her, she still treats him just the same. It sucks how when people are nice, it gets mistaken as "flirting" or "leading on"
She didn't, not in the least. As you say she was a friend, that's all and it was Jim who did most of the flirting.
Doesn't she kiss him on the lips whilst they're at Chili's in "The Dundies"?
shareShe was also drunk.
shareAlso several sheets to the wind.
That makes it ok why?
shareWhat I mean is why would a celebratory kiss lead Jim on if she was hammered? I didn't say that it makes it okay.
shareBecause Jim is the only coworker she'd give that "celebratory" kiss to. Do you think she would have given that "meaningless" kiss to Michael? Toby? Creed? Doubt it.
You can say it makes it okay but ask Jim if he'd be okay with her kissing one of the art school friends she made when she was out all night getting hammered with them.
Lol I just said that it doesn't make it okay.
shareIMO, she did. She was closer to him than she was with her fiancé, and there was definitely a jealousy when he started dating Katy. It was obvious that they had feelings for each other and she definitely let herself get the attention she was missing from Roy, via Jim. Think about it, the only thing that changed after they eventually got together was that they became physical. Their relationship was exactly the same. They both flirted; she allowed it, and in doing so, she led him on.
shareNo she didn't, in fact she turned him down in Casino Night. To say their relationship was exactly the same after they got together is nonsense. Think about it.
She did. Just because she turned him down, once he finally made a move, doesn't mean that she didn't lead him on up to that point. It means that until then, it was her safe place; a place where she could flirt, feel comfort, and all the sweet things she felt that she was missing with Roy. When he made his move, it became to real for her, but that doesn't mean that she didn't lead hm on. Also, she "turned him down" after they had that passionate kiss, where she embraced him and then confirmed that she's also been waiting to do that, too. He would not have thought they had a chance had their relationship been completely one-sided. It was obvious how she felt about him, and he acted on that. If you're in a relationship, the way Pam was, and allow the kind of friendship that she had with Jim, then you're in the wrong. She could have nipped that in the bud a long time ago, but she didn't. She liked him, and allowed their closeness to get deeper, so IMO, she led him on.
shareShe didn't lead him on. Why would she lead him on and then turn him down. That makes no sense. Their closeness din't get deeper in any way. It wasn't a passionate kiss either. If she had been waiting for that moment then she turn him down makes no sense either. It was the rejection that caused Jim to move away. What kind of friendship did they have? You're imagining things that aren't there. It was the innocence of their relationship at the beginning that made their story line so successful. That was the way it was written.
I'm not imagining the obvious tension that was written in the show. You can see the response I gave to the poster below. From the beginning, it was meant to be obvious that they had feelings for each other, making it a bit of a surprise for viewers when Roy gets introduced; signaling the love triangle. I do have a great imagination, but this time it was obvious.
shareIt was hardly a love triangle though. Did they express feelings for each other, no. Were they intimate with each other, no. Did they secretly date, no. Was there a sexual element, in other words Pam cheating on Roy, no. They did have feelings for each other, did they act on them, no. Was it outwardly anything more than a friendship, no. Did Pam lead Jim on, of course she didn't. Not the traditional love triangle.
Okay but she is his best friend. So what was she supposed to do? Just completely ignore him? IMO, he was the one that flirted with her. I didn't see her flirt with him at all. When did she ever flirt with him?
shareShe became best friends with another man while she was already engaged; that's where she went wrong. She doesn't have to completely ignore him, no, but after the booze cruise, when Michael divulged Jim's secret about having a crush on Pam, as Jim tells Pam he had a crush on her, she said; "Oh, I know." She knew how he felt, remained close to him, and never addressed his feelings or shut him down, all the while being jealous while he was dating Katy and later while he was with Karen. Essentially, she led him on. If someone flirts with you and you're not interested, normally, you let them know. She did nothing but accept his flirtation and, to a degree, flirted back. Thats what made the relationship "cute" on the show, they very obvious way they had feelings for each other was what created the tension between them. It was written that way.
shareLOL so being engaged means you can't have male friends? And why isn't Jim getting any blame for leading Karen on?
shareJim genuinely wanted to like Katy. He was trying to not like Pan. And can have male friends but no one should be closer to you than your fiance.
I blame Jim plenty for that. Dude was an ass.
Get on the scale son! Get off the scale.
Considering that she secretly loved him and wanted to be with him, and did end up with him once the timing finally hit, I'd say that no, she wasn't leading him on lol. What a preposterous claim.
shareCorrect young man. Or woman.
I suppose this is where that turk guy comes in and calls us Nazis for saying such things lol...
shareOh you can rely on her replying. Then she will insult you. Oh wait, she has. Then you ignore her.
I've only been reading this board for like 20 minutes and already seen a thousand comments from he/she. And man, is she/he annoying!
shareFor Turk it's all an act, always has been. He also lies constantly. I think he adores Pam really. Probably has a photo of her by his bed so he can whack himself off to sleep every night.
Benny boy is projecting right there. He's literally describing himself again. His pork of an abusive wife has given him his 10 minutes of internet a day again so he has another chance to defend a fictional character that he's been obsessed with for 12 years.
shareConsidering that she secretly loved him and wanted to be with him, and did end up with him once the timing finally hit, I'd say that no, she wasn't leading him on lol. What a preposterous claim.
I don't think Pam intentionally led Jim on, but I can certainly see how Jim might get the wrong idea. Pam was constantly confiding in him, they were always sharing secret looks and secret smiles, they were on the roof just the two of them watching fireworks while the rest of the office was together watching, they would share headphones and listen to music. Those are all kind of intimate things. I bet if Roy had saw those things he wouldn't have been okay with them. Here's a clue if you are doing things you probably wouldn't do if your significant other was right there than there's a good chance you may be crossing a line. Like I said I don't think Pam intentionally led Jim on but she was not very careful about how she acted with him. It's okay to have friends of the opposite sex when your in a relationhip, but a lot of the little things Pam and Jim did seemed more like they were in a relationship than just friends.
shareJim knew exactly what was going on. If anybody flirted it was him. So what?
That's just it I don't think Jim did know exactly was going on. For all the reasons I mentioned I think Jim thought he had a chance. You notice in the season 2 finale when Jim told Pam how he felt, he was genuinely surprised when Pam said she was still going to marry Roy. If Pam hadn't made him think he had a chance, and he did in fact know exactly what was going on, why was he surprised?
shareIt wasn't surprise though, it was the reaction of somebody who had been rejected, shot down. Devastation even. Jim thought it would be his last chance, so he knew he had to act, and was rejected.
I am not saying the way Jim acted was a surprise. My point was that Jim was genuinely surprised that Pam rejected him so obviously Jim didn't know what was going on. And I don't agree that he was the only one who flirted, are you telling me that all those smiles just the two of them share and those looks she was always giving him couldn't be construde as flirtatious. I am not ragging on Pam. I like her, but I think she was in denial about Jim's feelings for her and especially about her feelings for him which cause her without meaning to treat both Jim and Roy in a way that wasn't exactly fair. I personally think Pam had been in love with Jim for awhile before she finally ended things with Roy and decided she wanted to be with Jim. But she had been with Roy since high school. It was the only thing she had ever known and she was afraid to leave that and take a chance on something else. It can be very scary to leave a relationship you've been in for a long time.
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