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Isn't Hitch treading on the line of being an accessory to rape?

posted 10 years ago by al666940-3
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With all these elaborated deceptions and misrepresentations?

I mean, sure the guy is presented in a good light, but some of his clients in the beginning seem to show themselves in obviously fake/deceptive situations to the point they may as well pretend to be someone else.

And several of the women have a thing or two to say when they find out how Hitch factored into their encounters.

So with today's rape laws where pretty much any lie (like about your age or if you're married) by the guy can land him in the courthouse (or at least a friendly detective visit) if she complains afterwards, wouldn't such elaborated lies guarantee charges against Hitch?

[–] Prismark10 10 years ago

Ah no!

Its that man again!!

[–] PaulG28 10 years ago

No because like he said in the film he doesn't trick people he just helps people get out of their own way.

[–] al666940-3 10 years ago

Dude, have you read the news lately?

Deception to get into a girl's pants can actually land you in court.

If you don't believe me revisit Revenge of the Nerds and see how the main nerd tricking the cheerleader into bedding him is now widely considered rape for pretending he was her boyfriend by wearing the boyfriend's mask.

As I said, he's not in my opinion, but legally speaking, he's cutting it close don't you think? His trick with the dog at the beginning if gone wrong could be construed as pet kidnapping.

[–] dono638 10 years ago

Woah dude...There is a huge difference between white lies and wearing a freaking mask and impersonating someone else. Every one lies to get the opposite sex interested in them. And I'm not sure what laws you are talking about but the examples you gave aren't even close to what Hitch is doing. Plus you have to remember that Hitch isn't trying to get them laid, he gets them through 3 dates. The promise of sex is never mentioned. The lie would probably have to coincide with the sexually act for these supposed laws to work.

[–] al666940-3 9 years ago

OK, you make sense.

[–] spookyrat1 9 years ago

I think the OP must have missed seeing the restaurant conversation/encounter between Hitch and Vance, where Hitch made his views on this sort of issue crystal clear.🐭

[–] al666940-3 8 years ago

And you seem to have missed my saying "he's not in my opinion" and "sure the movie presents him in a good light".

That scene with the Vance dude was so fake simply because NOBODY (with half a brain) states his true intentions to strangers before the deed. Especially if they're looking for that stranger's help. No player would ever be so dumb. It's a straw man for Hitch to look good.

[–] spookyrat1 8 years ago

LOL! Talking about wanting to have your cake and eat it too, I give you al666940-3. Make up your mind buddy. Are you going with your sensational thread question or your prevaricating small print within your post? You seem to have made up your mind based on quotes like this, but still claim to be sitting on the fence.

That scene with the Vance dude was so fake simply because NOBODY (with half a brain) states his true intentions to strangers before the deed.

Well that's just your opinion my friend, but it's there and made crystal clear in the movie, like it or lump it.🐭

[–] al666940-3 8 years ago

"Talking about wanting to have your cake and eat it too, I give you al666940-3. Make up your mind buddy"

You seem to have trouble handling complex conversations. My thread is about how LEGALLY speaking, with today's laws and "affirmative consent" like BS, any kind of elaborated courtship can land you in hot water regardless of your actual intentions (I never once questioned Hitch's intentions).

Right now (and even then in 2005) any kind of embellishment/misstatement on your part while hooking up was being played up as "deception" and thus invalidating whatever consent you secured.

Don't believe me? Just check out Revenge of The Nerds message board to see how many people today consider Lewis an actual rapist for putting on a Darth Vader mask and staying silent.

Technically speaking, that could cover stuff like lying about your job, education or real name. That would make Cinderella and Aladin rapists too (absurd, right?).

And any courtship can today be labelled as harassment/stalking (only difference between the two? whether the lady likes or not the guy doing it).

So in such climate, such complex stunts like the ones Hitch pulls could in real life buy him several pet kidnapping and accessory to rape charges if any of the wooed (or fooled) ladies felt tricked/mocked/played and decided to press charges.

That's my point. It's just too unrealistic in today's impossible atmosphere (I for example was almost branded a stalker/harasser in college just because I looked up a girl's campus schedule to "coincide" with her and attempt to charm her into a date).

They should have set it in say the 80's or even early 90's instead.

[–] spookyrat1 8 years ago

You seem to have trouble handling complex conversations.

No trouble at all buddy, but this is hardly complex. No one on the thread has agreed with you. You ask a question, which you seem to infer you have the correct answer to, but then you just continue to present a bunch of your own opinions and no hard evidence (Oh yeah! I forgot. You seem to consider the Revenge of the Nerds board, hard evidence). Pardon my giggles.🐭

[–] al666940-3 8 years ago

"Affirmative consent" movement is not real? What evidence do you want, outside of a real life Hitch persona? Name one and we'll look into how he's faring.

And I don't mind people not agreeing with me, I want to read their arguments. Problem is they usually only got insults and attitude.

And ROTN is a perfect example of changing attitudes. It may not be Birth of a Nation kind of example (it's popularity back in the day spoke for itself regarding back then's climate), but it's a pretty good one.

And no one, including you, have addressed my pointing out that such elaborate schemes are borderline stalking if not outright illegal.

Well, except "dono638". You just went to the straw man of the Vance dude and stayed there.

[–] Helenlaurence 8 years ago

Someone who was really deluded and totally sexist and saw women as objects, might well tell another man his intentions.'
It's a bit like someone who's racist assuming all white people are racist, and wanting them to collude.'
He assumed hitch would feel the same way he did, I guess! He probably thought that's what hitches job was all about...

[–] BaltimoreStrong 8 years ago

All dating is really a lie. Buying dinners you usually can't afford. Dressing in a way you don't usually dress casually. Pulling out chairs and holding doors and paying for cabs, things you don't usually do on a daily basis. It's all an illusion. Hitch never coerces anyone. All he does is help men show themselves in a positive light.

[–] omoxus 8 years ago

The sex was consensual.

I am the Alpha and the Omoxus. The Omoxus and the Omega

[–] dumakaa 8 years ago

So any woman who wears makeup to attract a guy is a rapist? Thanks for clearing that up because I was sooo confused before you explained it.

"Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha (chaching) Whoops!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XphDXWPBQqE

[–] IMDB_Vits 8 years ago

Aren't all first dates like that? Both parties only say what they think will help them get a second date. They don't lie, but they omit and/or exagerate aspects of their lives.

I saw this the day after seeing ALONG CAME POLLY. In that movie, Ben Stiller's character looks up Jennifer Aniston's character's address. He waits across the street of her appartment until she's outside the door. He walks towards her pretending to be on the phone and fakes surprise. Would that reception count as rape too? I don't think so.