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Why doesn't America do something more about the problem?


When Moore was in France in the movie, he asked a man what the French people would do if the government decided to bring in a health care system like United States's. The man said that if the French government tried something like that, the people would not stand for it, and there would be a revolution.

But how Americans do not think that way? They believe that the government can make any laws they want, and that's that. They already proved that's how they think after the government manipulated them into going into Iraq, also covered by Michael Moore in Fahrenheit 9/11.

So why don't American actually attempt a coup and take over their own government? Start a revolution. Otherwise things will continue, people will suffer, and doctors will continue to profit. So if any change is to be had, it's by a revolution, and any country where the citizens felt pressured enough to take over it's own government has realized that.

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Because the American sheeple are way too afraid it. We wouldn't dare do it, lest we lose our precious benefits like welfare and food stamps and all the overwhelmingly positive aspects Obamacare. Do you know that if all the working American people, all of us, took a 2% increase in state/federal tax and turned our sales tax into a nationwide 7% tax, we would be able to easily afford national health care, like France and GB, and still be able to keep our "entitlements" like welfare,food stamps, etc. Sucks that or nations 1% works never allow that to happen,along with our democrat heavy govt.

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But isn't health care, this bad enough to call for a revolution? If the French or British would do it, then why not Americans? Cause they are too afraid? Well the Americans are the same culture of people who overthrew British colonization to be come their own country, so why is this situation not good enough?

I mean even when the U.S. government spent billions of dollars fighting a war in Iraq, which did no good for anyone, they just participated in the war, and still did it, instead of saying NO, WE WON'T. I mean how worse does a government has to become to have a revolution? I mean if the government brought back slavery or brought in Prima Nocte, that might be enough for the people to attempt a revolution, maybe. But I still think that if the U.K. and France, are living much better because of better governments, and they would not tolerate an American system in place, then why isn't it good enough for Americans to tolerate?

I think that the American people underestimate how much power they actually have. I mean a lot of people in army did not agree with the war in Iraq, nor do they probably agree with the current medical profiteering system in place. Now these men in the army have access to missiles, tanks, planes. I mean a nuclear submarine captain has lots of missiles on board. But apparently the American people are still choosing to be a medical mockery by their own government.

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Let's not forget that the USA is also full of Ayn Rand/Tea Party types who oppose universal healthcare:
www.afcm.org
www.aapsonline.org

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That's a laugh it would cost alot more than what your suggesting to cover health care. Its fine if you want socialized medicine but be truthful about the costs.

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America's health care system is the most corrupt on earth. Why there isn't a national Public Health Service in America is still astonishing. This is the problem with privatising healthcare and making it free market...prices for treatment are vastly overpriced relative to their actual cost.

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America's health care system is not the most corrupt on the planet.

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If in France or Britain, a politician says, "we shouldn't have UHC, because FREEDOM!," they will get laughed at.

In the US, if a politician say, "we shouldn't have UHC, because FREEDOM!," sadly, half the country will agree with them.


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It was not in France it was in the United Kingdom and it was said by Tony Benn look at the interview in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LnY-jy_cE0

He says it at the minute 2:50 after Michael Moore asks him "If Thatcher or Blair had said I'm going to dismantle National Health Care" and he answers: "There would be a revolution,ya."

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Because the Republicans have blocked it for decades, scaring the people with "socialism!" and the Democrats haven't had the cojones to challenge them.

Obamacare is not universal coverage. He caved to Max Baucus on that and Bill Clinton caved to Congressional Republicans in 1994.

Plus, there's the horrible mindset here of health care being a "privilege" instead of a "right."

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^^^^This. And unfortunately most Americans aren't aware how things are done differently in other places around the world. We've just accepted the status quo as it is what it is. And many people have bought into the right-wing propaganda that if we went to universal healthcare....Socialism and Communism are next! But you ask the average American what the definition of Socialism is and they can't really tell you. They just know it's bad because FOX news has told them so. Funny thing is we actually have many elements of Socialism already, and I've even known Political Science professors to describe us as a quasi Socialist/Capitalist society.

And in my experience, it's the people with the government jobs, and pensions, and health care that are the most ardent right-wing loud mouths that are always talking about smaller government...I'm like "you do realize that would mean you'd no longer have that govt. pension to live off if it weren't for those twenty years you worked for the USPS, right?" Sadly, they do t understand this...sheeple..

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Very true that most Americans did not even know that there WERE other ways of doing health care. I was one of those.

I didn't know about other systems until I met a Canadian student during my junior year of high school back in the '80s. When he told me about their system, and I subsequently learned that virtually every other "industrial" nation in the world (western Europe, British Commonwealth) also had universal health care, I was floored.

Of course, this was during the heyday of the Reagan era, and so many others I would speak to about it would fire back (often angrily) with "THAT'S SOCIALISM, AND BY GOD WE WON'T HAVE IT HERE!!!!" The people who say this, I have found, are the ones not in danger of losing health coverage and/or are rich enough to pay out-of-pocket for it and to hell with everyone else.

The far right have been (too) good at using "socialism" ever since the days of McCarthy as a scare tactic, and with the vocal right-wing misinformation media like Fox and Limbaugh, they've unfortunately got more effective. Of course, it doesn't help that there is no real left-of-centre party in this country willing to fight for UHC.

I now live within walking distance of the Canadian border. Believe me, our hospitals here are not filled with sick Canadians who can't get care at home due to the Republicans' touted "waiting lists."

Obamcare isn't it, and Hillary Clinton won't do it. It's going to take a popular revolt of some kind.

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Of course, this was during the heyday of the Reagan era, and so many others I would speak to about it would fire back (often angrily) with "THAT'S SOCIALISM, AND BY GOD WE WON'T HAVE IT HERE!!!!" The people who say this, I have found, are the ones not in danger of losing health coverage and/or are rich enough to pay out-of-pocket for it and to hell with everyone else.

Amen. In my experience also, it's always the ones that can afford to pay for private insurance or get insurance through their give. job (post office, military, civil service, etc..) that don't have to worry about it that basically call everyone struggling "cry-babies." Socialism isn't the answer for everything but I'm one of those people that believe that jails, when privatized are a NIGHTMARE for so many reasons. Anytime you put profits ahead of the good of the people (justice...fair sentencing) it goes badly. Just research small towns where private jails pop up...suprisingly everyone starts going to jail!! For even minor offenses. Some things should not be held at the mercy of profits. And healthcare is another one.

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