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I watched it a while ago because I'm studying it for my media project, and I thought it was absolutely awful.

The acting was appalling, the script was even worse - "innit man" "no man" "naarr put da gun down man!" "yo bro!".. It is literally a really shameful attempt at placing American History X - which is an ace film by the way! - in a British setting.

I really don't see the appeal of the film. The only slightly moving piece for me in the film was when he shot the dog, because the dog didn't do anything to hurt anyone! Personally, I find a film much better if I like and care about the characters.. I didn't really find out much about them because there was absolutely no characterisation there. They were all equally loathsome and I didn't care about them at all. There was just no emotion throughout most of the film.
They all died. Oh dear. How predictable. And so what?

Can anyone honestly say it's a good film?

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LOL you're a retard. An attempt at placing American History X in a British setting? What the hell do the two films have in common?

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Older son goes to jail, realises he's wrong, comes back from jail preaching about how bad violence is, younger son follows him and subsequently suffers..
Mm. No similarities eh?

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Okay Mr, America and Britain are two different countries with different cultures. And do u mean dat everyone dies or just the main characters
I understand u don't see the appeal of the film. And Apart form American X is there any other British Realist film that u can say thst is better. If so I would like to know. Have u seen the new film Kidulthood at all? And in the film American History X what happens to the younger son? Holla Back I would like to know. And I mean a British Film, Not one that is American and set in Britain I mean raw British form A-Z
I think that the shooting of the dog show some of the stupid things that some of these guys do. I mean there are many guys out there who are just carrying the stupid gun in their pocket and don't have no intention of using it. they go into gun violence may be for stupid reasons instead of sorting it out in a certain manner.

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"Please tell me your some rich white boy going to grammar school at 50k a year where mummy and daddy want you to have the best education?"

Haha! Your rich white boy is going to grammar school?

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ahhhh media studies student

hardly similar to american history x

and the script was realistic for the setting imo

as for the dog getting shot, i just wish i had a gun so i could kill all those 2fighting" dog types, best part of the movie

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iv watched it and thought its one of the best british films made! people dont realise but that this kind of stuff is actually happening right now and the posh little boys dont know because they dont live in areas affected by gang violence. kidulthoods another example where people dont understand that things like underage sex drug use, violence is actually goin on now!

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How can you complain that about a film having dialogue reflecting the vernacular of the culture it's about? It's fair enough that you find the language stupid, but that's no shortcoming of the film.

As for predictability - it's a realist film. This sort of thing happens, violence escalates and develops from nothing, so it's fairly obvious that it's going to be familiar, life is pretty familiar.

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I can appreciate that you didn't think much of the film (the visual style is pretty formulaic if one wants to present a "gritty urban drama") but comparing it to American history X (a film about racism) to a Bullet Boy (which has nothing to do with racism) suggests you have a LOT more studying to do.

As for your comments about the script, I suggest you watch a Kevin Smith film instead, where all of the characters are happy to launch into 5-minute long soliloquies without anyone raising an eyebrow.

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the acting may not b brilliant but the film is good, is has a gd message n delivers wat de streets these days need. i am unaware if u live on the streets of london but i do. and terms like blud and bruv etc and the language used in this movie is exactly how ppl here talk. if it is set in ghetto london they r nt exactly gnna speak de queen's english! it has 2 b realistic. try n b a lil more open minded. bruv.

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london ghetto???HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

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why r u laughing? obviously u dnt live in london or havnt been there much....london isnt jus de commercial *beep* u see on tv, u wudnt belive sum parts of london and how ghetto(yes ghetto) they r. if u dnt belive me i cud show u... its like iwd new york u only see de flashy nice parts advertised but its nt like that.
i will show anyone sum parts of london which r like living in poverty, run by gangs, full of drugs n guns etc. if they aint ghetto then wat is.

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I'm sorry but London does not have such things as ghettos. People can act like they grew up with no electricity, water or gas in their houses when as a matter of fact you know the only hardship they really faced were their parents not being able to afford the latest £100 TNs or the aiverex jackets that they wanted to sport. Yes, they are places were there is poverty and at times households may have been caught short or are in areas where crime is high and gangs and drugs are apparent but it is nothing compared to ghettos in places like Brasil, Colombia or other South American countries or even some places in America.
Oh and by the way I live in Peckham which is in Southwark, which is London's most deprived borough and grew up in a single parent household so I know what I'm talking about.

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But I also think that this film is a good film, it sends out a message that guns isn't the answer to your problems especially over something as stupid as an arguement over a bust mirror. I cant understand why mans nowadays, if they really have to, cant just settle an arguement or any beef that have with their fists instead. And as far as the dialect/script whatever you want to call it that's how everyone talks now whether your from a gang or not. You get me?

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I really find your observations of living in such communities quite infuriating, and more to the point misleading. I mean don’t you think it’s a bit foolish making assumptions about peoples lives all on the basis that you had a reasonably okay time of it!(well finically anyways). Clearly your parent(s) where responsible enough to ensure that the bills where paid in full, but for some of us, we weren’t that fortunate, some of us sat in the dark for days on end with no *beep* food in the cupboards. Don’t get me wrong, its not like I’m encouraging or worse still celebrating poor parenting skills, I for one think people should get a grip!. But what I won’t do is allow an ill-informed person trying to spread an outright lie that there isn’t a problem within estates. Sure your right about one thing there isn’t *Ghetto’s in LONDON….BUT THERE SURE IS *SLUMS.(that’s if you want to get really anal about it).

Its your stance which really infuriates me. Sure enough I don’t come from London, but I do and have lived in various council estates throughout the United Kingdom, And there’s a consistency to the inequality of which people face on a daily basis (REGARDLESS OF SKIN TONES). You assume that everyone is of a sound mind, and that simply isn’t that case, and if you really did come from a run down area then you’d realise this. Its this tripe you utter that serves to fuel the problem instead of solving it “hey lets brush everything under the carpet…what the mother spent all her welfare money on alcohol…well that’s her problem… no, its not the fault of the hundreds of off licences in communities…no its not the fault of the breweries. or the drug dealers or the people who manufacture drugs… no… its their fault”. I guess my point is just think about what your saying I really did take offence to your fragrant indifference to what’s really happening.

As for the film, Sheer and utter brilliance! There’s way to much going on, but the thing that reverberated throughout the whole film is isolation. The parrell cutting between Ricky discovering Wisdoms body, and then to his mother/brother at the church where the Chaplin proclaimed “god will help you…yadda yaddaa” as Ricky observed his friends corpse and realises that he’s in serious trouble moved me in ways I can’t even describe. And in a funny way correlates with what I was saying above, Indifference.

Anyways 10 out of TEN =D

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I pretty much agreed with most of what you wrote, but I don't understand why you blame the off-licences for people spending all their welfare money on alcohol. To me that's a preposterous way of thinking, and rather infuriating too. There could be a million off-licences in my community but that doesn't mean I, my parents, or anyone I know will spend all her money on alcohol. In my opinion, trying to blame others is in fact more like brushing the problem under the carpet. People should take responsibility for their own actions, regardless of their situation.

By the way I too thought the film was brilliant. Everything from the camerawork to the music used was very beautiful.


Ironically, this isn't even ironic at all.

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this is nothing like american history x 4 pete's sake the lil bro was not trying to be like a criminal for one sheesh the moron who started this board may god have mercy on you cause the devil wont

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Reading the threads its pretty sad really. Slums, ghettos, etc, lets argue over who has it the worse, and forget the message the film is trying to make.
Everyone is a wannabe gangsta nowadays, because the film industries protrays them as such. Lets blame the police, the white man, the asian, but we all make our own destiny. No one left to blame if you so stupid to belive hollywood, boyz in the hood, this film, etc. Remember the actors all went home after the shooting! And they didn't go home to council estates, no go areas, etc.
Lets just fill the prisons with kids that belive the glory of films and want to be tony montana.
Grow up, you should be argueing about how good things are, not how bad. But its all down to attitude!

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some of u people are so ignorant and sheltered

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Im also a Media student and have to disagree with the op.
I mean, this is a British gangster film, this is a realistic portrayal of what living in London city is like (the more gritty parts)... and the "ghetto" language, thats how they would speak here... its realistic.

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"the script was even worse - "innit man" "no man" "naarr put da gun down man!" "yo bro!" "

So you think a script is bad because it utilises genuine Street argot as opposed to trite Hollywoodisms?
And suggesting it was an attemtp at a British version of American Hisory X is absurd in the extreme.
If you don't understand a film or the culture it portrays, just admit it, it won't kill you... making absurd and inapt criticisms seems rather pointless.

"Can anyone honestly say it's a good film?"

I assume this is a rhetorical quaestion as opposed to you showing your ignorance.
I would point out however that the fact that you do not like a film does not automatically make that a bad film.

"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars..." Oscar Wilde

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