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Differences bt the book and the movie? SPOILERS


I really loved this film. I found it so heartbreaking and moving that I haven't been able to watch it again. I've read these boards (and some others) to clear up the ambiguities.

I think I read in one of the threads that in the book Andrew does kill Celia? I realize there are often large jumps in the creation of a screenplay, but that's pretty huge. What happens in the book? Why the change?

Are there any other diffrences?

If Celia already knows who her father is, what is so compelling that she goes with Andrew? Was Andrew looking for her? If she was in the will, why was wasn't she or her mother at the reading of it? Why hadn't she been notified?

Do you think the director/screenwriter wants to the viewer to believe Paul doesn't know if he is the father or brother of Celia for sometime? I thought he was the father. I guess I figured he thought his dad had the picture because he was a) saving it for Paul, b) she was his granddaughter. It may not be logical now, but that's how my mind worked during the watching.

Also, why did Paul need to see the birth certificate if he knew Celia wasn't his child? What did he find out from it that he didn't know before? (I remember struggling to read it on my TV screen.) Why was the birth certificate re-issued?

What kind of book is it? By that I mean, is it considered "literature"? Someone wrote that the author writes about these subjects in his other books.

Is the commentary on the UK version?

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I have just watched this film but haven't read the book.

I also assumed Paul was Celia's father and didn't question exactly why his own father had the photo of baby Celia.

I think Paul was unsure whether he could still be Celia's father and her mother was equally unsure. This would mean Celia also didn't know for sure whether Paul was her father or her brother.

Maybe she thought Andrew had some proof one way or the other of her father's identity.

As for the birth certificate, I think Paul was hoping the real father's name would be on it so he would know for sure. From Pauls' conversation with Celia's mother I understood the birth certificate was reissued because she changed the father's name to her husband's name. The reissued version that Paul saw had the husband's name.

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turnerne on Fri Nov 23 2007 21:50:47 wrote:

I think I read in one of the threads that in the book Andrew does kill Celia? I realize there are often large jumps in the creation of a screenplay, but that's pretty huge. What happens in the book? Why the change?

Are there any other diffrences?
Well, that's a pretty minor change compared to the others. The scene where Celia dies works more or less the same whether it was Andrew or Penny who pushed her. In the book, it's much more gruesome, and happens under completely different circumstances.
Movies can never convey the internal commentary that a book can, and therefore have to go about things a different way using far less detail. Purist though I may be, and an admirer of Maurice Gee's writing, I quite like the changes made.

Some of the major differences about the book:
Set about three decades earlier;
Paul has only ever been a teacher, never a photographer;
His father dies before Paul ever travelled overseas;
He is less "damaged" from traumatic events and suffers from an intellectual pride (some of which the movie managed to convey);
Celia's mother is a totally different character (with a different name);
Birth records never come into it;
Set in West (and North) Auckland;
A lot more coverage of childhood;
A lot more about his father, and a mention of his Unitarian beliefs;
The relationship between Paul and Jonathan is much more completely developed;
Celia's death is mentioned in the opening paragraph, and is never 'missing';
Her relationship with Paul is more intellectual, and less playful.

The change to a small town a long way from Auckland doesn't make as much difference as one might think. Other changes are far more substantial. The book is almost a different story, and knowing the one doesn't spoil the telling in the other.
What kind of book is it? By that I mean, is it considered "literature"? Someone wrote that the author writes about these subjects in his other books.
Maurice Gee's writing would definitely be considered 'literature'. There's something very intense in all of them, which is usually associated with a distant, intellectual father character. His books abound in very descriptive inner thoughts.

He also wrote a number of imaginative action books for young readers. I think they'd make great films. I heard a rumour that Under The Mountain was to make it to film. There is also a trilogy that begins with one called The Half Men of O. I don't expect to find a lot of agreement, but I think it's better than The Lord of the Rings.

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I agree! I love the Halfmen of O books. The end of The Motherstone was pretty amazing.

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sexy_dancer on Sat Mar 8 2008 13:44:37 wrote:

I agree! I love the Halfmen of O books. The end of The Motherstone was pretty amazing.
At least someone else has good taste. :-)

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Paul has only ever been a teacher, never a photographer;
He is less "damaged" from traumatic events and suffers from an intellectual pride


Thanks, blue-3, for the summary of the differences between the book and the movie. I find it interesting that in the movie they found it necessary to make Paul into a world-famous photographer, while in the book he was just a simple teacher. Being a photographer arguably makes him more "interesting", like some movie star returning to home village. But as teacher he would have been more realistic, closer to the experiences of common people.

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