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I think I finally understand what really happened...


After 40 years, a best-selling novel, two hit movies and who knows how many sequels and rip-offs, I think I finally understand exactly what really happened in Amityville in the mid-1970s.

In November 1974, Ronald DeFeo Jr. - a very troubled individual with serious substance abuse issues - murdered his entire family. In addition to being particularly gruesome - even as mass murders go - there were highly unusual aspects of the crime that will probably never be understood. For example, exactly how did DeFeo shoot to death both his parents and all four of his siblings in their sleep without any of them waking up? Additionally, DeFeo claimed - among other things - that demonic voices had told him to kill his family.

In December 1975, George and Kathy Lutz - by all accounts two normal, decent people - bought the house DeFeo had killed his family in. They bought it at a price that was a steal - in no small part owing to it being the site of such a horrific murder scene barely a year before.

Although the Lutzes considered themselves non-superstitious, shortly after they moved in their imaginations began to get the better of them. Rather typical occurrences such as a child talking to an imaginary friend, stumbling across a small red closet, and the typical creaks and groans of a house built near the turn-of-the-century all began to take on sinister meanings to both George and Kathy, and even to their children. And it didn't help that - as many people noted to George - he bore a striking resemblance to Ronald DeFeo Jr. himself.

In January 1976 - less than a month later - their subconscious fears overwhelmed them to the point they believed the entire family was in imminent danger, and the family fled the house, leaving all their possessions behind. At the time, the Lutzes were genuinely terrified, and hadn't the slightest inkling that the story of their time in the house would ever become the phenomenon it would become by the end of the decade.

And the story would in all probability ended there, fading into a myriad of thousands of other haunted house stories - had it not been for two aspects of this ghost story that set it apart from so many others. First, this ghost story - despite the dubious details of the haunting itself - was in fact anchored by a documented factual event. And second, the story came to the attention of a number of individuals who immediately saw potential to make an easy buck off the story - and weren't particularly bothered with the prospect of exploiting either a horrific mass murder or a well-meaning if somewhat naïve couple.

The first individual to see earning potential was William Weber - Ronald DeFeo's defense attorney. George and Kathy Lutz - genuinely disturbed by their stay in the house - began to wonder if an actual demonic force had possessed DeFeo and forced him to commit the murders. The Lutzes - again by all accounts a decent couple - felt the only right thing to do was to contact DeFeo's attorney, William Weber, to tell him that there might actually be something to DeFeo's claim that demonic forces made him commit the crime, in an effort to possibly help DeFeo. Weber, having long since realized any hope of his client ever seeing life outside of prison was as dead as his client's family, did what any good lawyer would do - and seized upon a golden opportunity to make some serious cash. Meeting with the Lutzes over - in his own words - 'many bottles of wine,' Weber succeeded in turning the Lutz's concern for someone they believed may in fact be innocent being locked up to sharing his interest in exploiting the whole sordid affair - and in adding some creative details to the story.

From that moment on, the story was bound for the ages. In one of the most ironic cases ever of a swindler becoming the swindled, Weber's idea to recruit the Lutzes for an exploitative trash-fest was quickly usurped by individuals even more eager than him to make some easy money off of the claim. The Lutzes were soon in the company of paranormal investigators such as Ed and Lorraine Warren, hack writers such as Jay Anson, and soon even Hollywood producers. The rest, as they say, is history.

And the Lutzes? Despite the millions raked in, their take was surprisingly small - less than $300,000 - and most of that went to settle their own legal issues, as they came into more than their share of their own legal problems with Weber and others as the story progressed. Kathy and George died in 2006 and 2008, respectively. According to their children, they both died regretting they ever sold the story of their time at 112 Ocean Avenue in Amityville, New York.

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This is an excellent summary of the true story. I have seen interviews with the real Butch DeFeo, and he apparently goes back and forth between stories of what happened that night. I believe one version I read, that he hated his father, and the killings were potentially money related. Butch has also claimed one of his sisters helped in the murders before he eventually killed her.

Who knows what really happened...but I just don't buy the paranormal aspect of this.



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People assume that because they were found in bed, that DeFeo's family didnt wake up.

He very well could have ordered his brothers and sisters to stay in bed at gunpoint.

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Topic creator pretty much hit the nail on the head here.

I am only partially convinced that this was a intended scam or they just might have been naive and got swindled by a greedy lawyer who wanted to make money off the murders and the Lutz's fears.

Then after the story breaks the schiesters come out of the woodwork like Anson, film companies, the Warrens (who are a bunch of crooks as it is) and more just for the easy cash grab.

The only questions left remaining about 112 now 108 Ocean Avenue is about the murders are did Dawn have anything to do with the murders before meeting her fate and since the gun he used was loud why did noone else hear the gunshots? All the neighbors heard was the Defeo's dog barking but not the gunshots.

Outside of those 2 questions, everything else is pretty cut and dry.

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Both george and kathy admitted just before they died that they made it up and their lawyer was in on it

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Both george and kathy admitted just before they died that they made it up and their lawyer was in on it


This is a common lie spread on the Internet and I don't blame you for believing it but, in fact, it never happened.

Try to find any legit news article, video, or interview where they say this. You won't...because they never did.

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Maybe they were just real heavy sleepers? Guns are very loud, but so are thunderstorms and tornados and many other noisy things that some people are capable of sleeping through.

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Book High Hopes intimates that Ronald was a heroin addled junkie. No ghosts here in either story. Just ugly people doing ugly things.

Swing away, Merrill....Merrill, swing away...

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I actually just went to the Amityville house this past week. My friend's parents went to school with the Defeo's so when the incidents happened, it really hit them hard. My friend and I just stood on the street to take pics of the house and the neighbor came out and told us we had to leave. Apparently the cops were there earlier that day because tourists were taking pics of the house. Anyway, even though they fixed the house up and modernized it, it still emits an eerie atmosphere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTDyqVaNAe4

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How would you like people gawking at your house day and night? I bet you wouldn't.

Swing away, Merrill....Merrill, swing away...

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Yea i absolutely understand how annoying it must be but, in all honesty, you'd have to expect that when you buy a house with such a history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTDyqVaNAe4

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actually, in the 90s me and a friend went searching for it and couldn't find it because of the windows...went to a deli, where the deli workers were all TOO HAPPY to give us directions and explain that the web windows had been removed. but in my defense, we just drove by and didn't even stop the car.

Swing away, Merrill....Merrill, swing away...

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Ron is a notorious liar. I think those children woke up and he ordered them back to bed, killing them as they begged for their lives. Poor babies. I hope he's tortured by their cries for every moment of his miserable life.

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OP I think you are correct in how these events took shape.

One thing I'd like to add is that the Lutz children admitted that both George and Kathy were into TM (Transcendental Meditation) and that George in particular collected some occult books that he had at one point either in their old home or in the Amityville house (I can't remember for sure). George may have been deeper into the occult than we realize and let this influence his recollections of the time in the house or color his perceptions while in it. The fact they were both Catholic, a religion with a lot of native superstition, probably didn't help matters.

As for the kids, I believe they developed exaggerated memories of benign occurrences due to their parents actively feeding their imaginations in regards to the house. One of the boys says he can remember his bed being tossed up and down, which sounds like something a kid would blow out of proportion (perhaps a truck passed and the bed merely rattled).

I never did believe they made the story up. Too many factors are involved, least of which is the fact they never made any real money off the story and they had no way of knowing they ever would, at least not to the surety of them feeling comfortable enough to leave their possessions behind. They also continued making payments on the house until that summer, and this is not something con artists who bought the house purely to cook up a story would do. Plus, their finances could not have been in sure dire straights in the 28 days they spent in the house--your income doesn't just plummet like that with no hope of recovery in less than a month. If they had the funds to buy the house in December, their personal assets would not be hit hard enough to warrant a crazy book idea in January.

I think they simply bit off more than they could chew psychologically and either through reinforcement from each other, their kids, and public pressure/guilt at maybe exaggerating some of the instances all through the lens of Catholicism, the history of the house, the stress of a new marriage with kids, and moving, they eventually were able to completely convince even themselves that the house was haunted.

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i heard that some kind of genies, little afrits with very long arms sometimes live in houses, there are drawing of them in ancient troy.

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I agree. I have been making this argument for years. Barely anyone ever agrees with me. I lived a town over when it was all happening. I remember the headlines and I think my father still has copies of them.

I was a child but completely understood how they could've been so freaked out that they scared the hell out of themselves. Maybe even manifested some things. I at the time was watching horror movies with my obsessed father (since I was like 4) so I am not one to have nightmares. But I could freak myself out going into the basement of the creepy Tudor house that we lived in. (My father purposely bought a scary looking house that was rumored to be haunted. So imagine his fascination with the whole thing. (And Of course and I am named after a horror scream queen.)

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