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Palatable 'punk' for the Hot Topic generation


This movie is a complete piece of crap, made to connect with suburbanites. It was only about five minutes in before I was rolling my eyes and yelling "Gimme a f&#kin' break!" I did watch the whole thing, but basically just because it was like watching a trainwreck.

It was kinda interesting how they had people playing Rodney Bingenheimer, Claude Bessy, Bob Biggs.. Chris Pontius playing frickin' Black Randy!? It all seemed so silly and contrived. They also played a lot of the music from that time in the background like The Damned, The Bags, Suburban Lawns etc. and showed original flyers, pins, etc. from back then, but "street cred" ploys like that only go so far. Take all that away and all you have is a bunch of pretty young actors and actresses "slumming it". I never saw so many punk rockers smiling!!

Guess I shoulda known better than to even bother, but I did anyway and now I'm so annoyed by how completely BAD this movie is that I had to yell about it somewhere. The guy who started the "ABC's After School Specials Presents The Germs" post got it right.. AVOID THIS MOVIE!!! Watch "The Decline of Western Civilization" instead, and then get the GI album.

That is of course, unless you're into the awesome new "hardcore" bands like Rise Against.. In that case, buy this movie, the poster, the cd sountrack.. Then go to Hot Topic and buy the T-shirt. Then CHOKE YOURSELF with it.

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I haven't seen this movie so I won't comment on it.

However, Rise Against is awesome. I haven't even heard anybody call them "hardcore" before, and the lead singer lives in my town. I've also seen them twice in concert.

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I commend you sir for making it through the film. I'm actually in the middle of an impromptu review of the film for my website. A friend of mine rented and brought it over but we couldn't make it through the first 15 minutes. Then I thought, "*beep* it! I should write up a review of this movie and do it based only on the first 15 minutes that I saw." because, there was no possible way that the movie got any better. The acting and the terrible wigs. I'm glad to see that you came up with the same summary from watching the entire film which is, "Just watch decline of the western civilization."

This film is *beep* It's the worst thing I've seen since "Last Days"

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Why can't you just see it for what it is? A Hollywood representation from a fan who got into them probably after they broke up, probably after punk died in that era.

It was decent at that.

Do you really think that Hollywood, or anyone really, can capture and film, in this day and age, what was going on in the punk scenes at that time?

It is near impossible to recreate what was going on.

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You can recreate what was going on at the time. Sid and Nancy proves that. Great movie and great actors. This movie was *beep* and Bijou Phillips? She is a horrible actor. I cringe every time she is on screen.

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Yeah, but Sid and Nancy was filmed much closer to the time it was portraying. That makes a big difference.

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Sid and Nancy was a terrible film.

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i agree. sid & nancy was a rotten film.

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Did someone just claim that Sid & Nancy was an accurate (or even passable) recreation of what was going on in the late '70s London punk scene?

Credibility, we hardly knew ye.

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Agreed! An absolute TV movie style film, and even worse than the Joy Division/Ian Curtis biopic. Isn't there anyone who was in the scene from 1977-1983 who can make an honest film? It turns out that Repo Man is the most acurate portayal of the punk rock years...

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<<It turns out that Repo Man is the most acurate portayal of the punk rock years... >>

True -- West Coast, though. For East Coast, for New York, try Smithereens. That does a pretty good job.

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I agree that "Repo Man", "Sid and Nancy", and "Decline of Western Civilization" are all better documents of that era (and no one mentioned "Suburbia", Penelope Spheeris' fictionalized follow-up to "Decline"). But they were also made during or shortly after that era. Like it or not though, about thirty years has passed and the snarling punks of that time are now middle-aged people my age or older (and the really hardcore ones are probably dead). A movie that sincerely tried to adopt the punk attitude of that time might not appeal to a lot the original punk fans that have grown up and/or grown old and look at life differently than when we were adolescents. And it wouldn't sell to today's kids either, who have probably never heard of the the Germs.

I did think the movie was a little too sentimentalized. This was the same band after all that in "Decline of Western Civilization" talked about posing for polaroids with a dead Mexican house painter who had keeled over in their yard. When Spheeris asked if they felt bad about it, they all paused until one girl (Lorna Doom or a girlfriend of Darby's) replied, "No, cuz I f#!*!n hate painters!" Now, that's REAL punk attitude! But I can't speak for anyone else, but I wouldn't have lived this long if I still felt that way.

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As I was watching this movie last night, I was so looking forward to the "Back in my day when punk rock was punk rock....." threads that would be blasted all over this board. And much to my pleasure right at the very top of the list is this archetypical gem. First off, I am a fan of the music genre. I was a teenager in the 80’s and played to the ethos and culture of what was punk rock at the time. I enjoyed the music and lifestyle for what it was: An ear-pleasing, anti-authoritarian perfect storm of teen angst, rebellion and most importantly DIY fun. Having said that, I don’t think this movie was horrible. It’s a reasonably well acted biopic/period piece about a polarizing pop-cultural time. Fabulous by no stretch of the imagination, it is paced well, has a central plot figure and for a few fleeting moments, ones who may have been “born too late” can lose themselves and actually think, “WOW! That must have been how it was!” And to carry that even further, it may just inspire them to pick up an instrument or a microphone. Hollywood or not, it carries the torch for the “good ole days” that the elitists pine for. You may not like the vehicle (Hollywood backed mainstream movie), but it does give an insight (albeit sanitized) into the shear power of the movement at the time. Maybe it saves some little emo kid from a band like, who did you say, RISE AGAINST (Who the f#!k is that? You should be embarrassed, scenester elitist). If that ain’t punk rock, what is?

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Ha! A friend of mine commented to me the other day how he'd seen the Germs movie and thought it was horrible. I then remembered writing this angry post after seeing the flick and thought I'd check up on it..

It's gratifying to see that I'm not the only one who felt this way about the movie. The guy who made it had a lot going for him.. MONEY, some name actors, carte blanche by the remaining Germs.. He was in the scene at the time, from what I hear, which would've helped add credibility.. And he still turned out this hunk of crap.

The only person I care to respond to on here is "ndiezel" and I have this to say:

I see your point about how some of the young kids today might see this and be inspired to pick up an instrument.. That, of course, would be a good thing. But this movie still blows, and almost all of the acting was quite bad.. I expected more from the director, who was a long-time fan and supposedly was around in the scene back then.. When I heard this, I thought "Well, I guess this is the guy to make a movie about the Germs!" I had high hopes for the flick. This is why I was so angry after seeing it, and why my original post reflected that. Also, never once did I say "back in my day" or anything like that.. And my kid likes "Rise Against" and referred to them as "hardcore" to me. I gently but firmly told him why they aren't hardcore at all, and left it at that. While I'm not impressed with the band at all, I keep my thoughts about them to myself because one of my goals is to not be too much of a "curmudgeon-y" Dad. My parents hated the stuff I listened to, and the cycle continues!

I think you are a bit abrupt (and wrong) in referring to me as a scenester elitist. I like all kinds of stuff.. But I know when to cry "bullsh!t" and after watching this flick, I felt it was time to do so. I believe that if you liked this movie, you either haven't seen better movies of its ilk, or you are very easily amused.

Tell me, were you so excited to read all the "back in my day" posts because as you watched the movie, you realized that it was a sub-par depiction of those days and that people who were around at the time would feel compelled to say so? We old geezers are SO predictable, aren't we?

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this movie was bad on all sorts of levels. but i'd rather sit through it again than hear some obnoxious scenester twats covertly(hahaha) letting us know that their stupid adolescent phases were time period-appropriate. keep it to a f'cking paragraph, we've heard it a million times

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You're absolutely right on. Did anyone notice how they tried to use " The Decline Of Western Civilization 2" as a template ( unsuccessfully at that ). Actually, check out both Decline and Another State Of Mind for an accurate depiction of the time and the punk scene.

Why on earth could they not have used Rodney to play himself instead of that absurdly coifed dufus. The other caricatures were equally ridiculous. I have sadly erased this film from my dvr, after having looked forward to seeing it for so long.

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Rodney WAS going to play himself, but there were scheduling conflicts, so at the last minute they brought in JP Manoux.


... and that was the second time I got crabs.


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If my high school punk band was around that scene at the time.. The germs wouldn't have been famous. I love pat Smear, but like c'mon Darby was not talented at all like no rhythm, couldn't sing or remember his lyrics. The decline of western civilization sucked balls also. Like watch all these untalented bands sound like crap and drone on. Listen to Agent orange.

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the movie wasnt very good and tried to be romanticised or something.
but what really bothered me was the way it dissed on THE SCREAMERS. the screamers were amazing! they were far more original and at least as influential. which is saying alot for a band that never recorded. i would way rather see a film about the screamers than the germs.

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Damn, someone took my After School Special idea already!

You said it. These punks are way too clean and vapid. It was tiring to watch them. I guess that is what MTV thinks punk was like or wants the Hot Topic generation to think they like.

Why not have a real documentary with Pat Smear, etc? Was that not an option?

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