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Spike Lee and Italain-Americans (possible spoiler)


It seems that every other Spike Lee movie has him portraying Italians in a negative light--gangsters, buffoons, racists, etc. He does it again here, and goes overboard to feed into a stereotype. when the Itaian woman says "We are not all in the Mafia" and then a few scenes later, her whole family is, Spike Lee is showing what a hippocrit and hater he is. He has his usual Italian Stephan Fetcit, John Turturro, pop up in a pinkie ring, cigar, and suglasses, acting like a bad characture (which seems intended.) Lee praeches acceptance of every group--as long as they are not Italian.

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the fact is Spike Lee lived in Little Italy (he isn't italian), when he was a kid, so he knows italian americans and he had problems with them...

now he knows Italy (real Italy) better, so he knows it's another country, different customs and so on...

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Why is it that in Italian movies and TV shows, African-Americans are always shown in a negative light and nobody says anything and when Spike shows Italians in a negative light Italians complains. Double Standard as usual.

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excuse me, where?

(anyway italian tv is a national shame...)

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Godfather "We'll sell it to the *beep*

Carlitos Way "He aint no *beep*

Boondock Saints "There's three guys, a white guy, a mexican, and a black guy, and they're walkin along the beach. They find a lamp, they rub it and a genie comes out. The genies says "I'll grant you each one wish", so he goes to the mexican first and the mexican says "I want all my people in America to be back in Mexico and be happy!" So the genie goes POOF and all the Mexicans are back in Mexico. Then the genie asks the black guy what he wants and he says "I want all my African brothers and sisters in America to be back in Africa and be happy." So the genie goes POOF and all the black people are back in Africa.
Then the genie turns to the white guy and asks him what he wants, and he says "You mean to tell me all the spics and *beep* are out of America?" and the genie says "Yes." So the white guy thinks for a minute and says "I guess I'll have a coke."

Raging Bull "Why do we have to come to Cleveland for you to get beaten by a mulignane"

Mulignane is an Italian derogatory term used for Black people and countless others wtf are you deaf or have never seen a u.s. movie with italians or feigning ignorance

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walknuxx, the word is "italian american".

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Walknuxx madea very good point, and I'm sure they know how to spell gtarna, they probably just made a typo.

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no, I said the racists aren't italians, they are "italian americans"...

neither Italian americans, because there are many black italian americans... they are nothing.

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I have to agree to an extent. Most Italian-Americans are way too proud for their own good and treat Blacks the worst. Currently, I'm messing with a young Italian girl, (Born and raised in Sicily) and she's a very kind person. But, on the other hand, this would not be the case if she was probably born here, since I've had my share of run-ins with prejudice Italian men and women. I dont know, but I think this got something to do with the partial American culture for why they act that way. Or maybe, we're too much alike and also too different to get along.

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actually, I'm seeing on IMDB many black italian girls...

imho, if you gind an illeterate italian american you can have problems, if you find other kinds of it.-am. everything can be good...

remember there are many black italian famous in USA, Alicia Keys, Mya, Traci Bngham, Faith Evans, Leila Arcieri...

it's only a matter of lucky...

"semel in anno licet insanire"

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Also in A Bronx Tale

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beh, senti, all'epoca delle colonie ci furono un sacco di matrimoni illegali... illegali perchè il fascismo li vietava...

non siamo il popolo più accogliente del mondo ma non esageriamo neanche nell'altro senso...

Vae victis!

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Godfather "We'll sell it to the *beep*
actually it's "We'll sell it to the darks", you just got that from a misquote from Paul Mooney in Chappelle Show. It's not much better but if you're going to quote at least get it right

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And you go by what you see in movies as a way of judging reality?

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when Afro-Americans are shown as they really are they are suddenly 'shown in a negative light.' They put themselves in a bad light and then complain when others shine a light on it. honestly, its enough to make a dog laugh.

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WHoa now ajmal. That is NOT true. Where the hell do you live. In no way are all or even many of African Americans like the stereotypes on tv. I live in the Ghetto, and yes, there are drug dealers and thugs, bu they only represent about 7% of us. Most of the people here are poor, but they work hard and try to lead a normal American life. Our kids play outside, we have barbie ques, little league, soccer league. It seems you don't know sh-t about black people only what you see on tv and when you have to drive through a largely black populated area.

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It's because he is jealous of the Italian-American directors who are far superior to him, such as Scorsese, Tarantino and Coppola. Look at Do the Right Thing even; the best actors and/or characters were the Italian-Americans. Spike's character was uninteresting and unsympathetic, as was that dummy with the rings and boom box, when compared to Danny Aiello's character. In fact, the plot line of an Italian-American family coping with the changes in the neighborhood was the more interesting and compelling story than some loud mouth who had a kid with a (hot) woman he wasn't married to (and who only would have been attracted to an ugly runt like Lee in a movie). Ironically, Esposito, who played the role of the "militant/activist" (all of Spike's characters are merely superficial representations...Aiello managed to go beyond that), is Italian. It must have bothered Lee knowing that Aiello garnered as much, or more, praise for his part in the film as he received for his direction. In short, Spike doesn't necessarily portray Italian-Americans stereotypically but blacks, Jews and others that way as well. It stems from his limitations as a writer. He just lacks the imagination to create characters that go beyond caricature. He puts his voice as a director ahead of the voice of the characters because his ego is greater than his talent.

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I haven't read all the posts, butttttttt let's see.

There's a town in Chicagoland, called Melrose Park. Historically 1 of thee most "Top Racist" places in history. I didn't know this at first because I wasn't born before the 70's. My friend and I used to DJ in Melrose Park and think nothing of it. But when the kids we dj'd for started using the "N word and when 1 of the parents found out that "I" wasn't black...he started being a a-hole, big time". This guy was mob related and when the parties had loud music, he was able to tell the policemen patrolling by to relax and let them have their fun until late hours of the night and the cop was cool with it. I even went inside 1 of these people's homes to use the bathroom and next to the toilet was a huge book, "Encyclopedia to the Mob". After seeing that......I saw it all !!!

Not to mention who's the most famous gangster of them all = Alphonso Capone

So unfortunately "somethings" seem exaggerated and somethings are right on point. You have to live it or be there to understand. BTW the Italian Cops in Chicago are the biggest dix at times.

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