So tell me, were they gay?


Were the two dudes gay, or just really good friends? At first I thought that maybe they were just good friends, but then the bathroom scene threw me off, when they were hitting each other then fell on the floor and cried in each others arms. I was waiting for them to kiss....glad they didn't.

The producers market the movie to gay audiences with posters and ads in gay magazines.... and the way the dude freaked after the lake incident...really makes me wonder.



Yeah, well...that's just, like, your opinion, man. - The Dude

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I think they're just good friends, but I can see how it might seem different to others.

It's interesting what you say about the marketing though. I'm curious whether it was only targeted at gay audiences in the US, as in Germany it was marketed as mainstream.

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America is a largely homophobic country, which is why this film was marketed toward the gay segment of the population, but in most other parts of the world, films like this, which depict all aspects of life, are shown and largely accepted by the general public because the audience, if not entirely accepting of non-hetro culture, at least understands that alternate lifestyles do exist.

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I believe American males are forbidden by law to touch other human beings except by hitting them. Anything else is grounds for sexual assault charges. This colours their view somewhat.

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well that was one of the dumbest statements I've ever read. Congratulations!

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There is a thread on this board entitled "How Gay is it?" — with 89 posts as of today — that addresses this subject.

But we can watch the "bathroom scene" again here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6-2bFTXrL0

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There is nothing gay about the characters. They just had a close friendship. In fact there is a scene where they go up ladder to spy on the school waitress undress. Unlikely behaviour for gay youths.

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I don't think that they were gay. Remember they both enjoyed looking at the lady undressing thru the window. As for the bathroom scene, I think that they were both overcome by the realization of their untenable position--that they were in an organization run by inhuman monsters. And as for the lake scene, how would you feel if it was your best friend? Most people, regardless of sexual orientation, would have been overcome by emotion. I know I would have been--even if I didn't even know the person. Watching anyone drown would be horrible, especially if there was nothing you could do about it. Finally, the US producers cynically decided that a picture of 2 attractive male leads would grab a gay audience, which is a shame since I think that the movie does indeed have a mass appeal. I am going to recommend the film to all my friends, both gay and straight.

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Of course, I don't know wheter they were gay or not. Since it's fiction, nobody really knows. There's only one thing I would like to point out: there's no need to identify their sexual orientation to fully appreciate the movie. Instead of giving depth to the discussion, this attempt may result in an unwanted shift of focus and loss of perspective.
Moreover, as in every human behaviour, it's not adviceable to speak in black or white terms: there are shades (a lot!). I mean that, at times, a close friendship might assume a short-term (homo)erotic connotation. I think that everybody might have experienced such a pulsion at least once in life. Then it depends on a lot of factors if the pulsion will be supported or repressed (strict behavioural codes, as in the movie, and social taboos play a considerable part in this), but this doesn't change how involved people feel.
In my opinion this struggling (brilliantly conveyed in the bathroom scene, but present as a subtext in all the movie) gives even more depth to the characters WITHOUT marking the film as to be conceived for audiences other than mainstream.
Physical and intellectual attraction cannot be controlled. Some times they give joy, some others make you think hard about yourself. It's life (far beyond gay vs hetero quarrels).
Personally, I would recommend this movie. It has a lot to say at several levels.


PS: Sorry for mistakes, english is not my first language.

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Dammit I already said its BROMANCE!

I'm a girl. Shh

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Dude? Wouldn't you freak out if your best friend died right in front of you? Strange if your answer is no. I saw no indication in the film that the two guys were gay, none at all, other than the really gay looking American dvd cover, which is misleading.

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Dear all,

the two guys are just friends. The US dvd cover is misleading. But if you like to see more in the story of Friedrich and Albrecht it is absolutely fine. But it wasn`t intented.

Very best,

Dennis Gansel (screenwriter/ Director "Napola/ Before the Fall")

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I'm just curious? Why the obsession in the forum as to whether the two main characters were gay or not?

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One reason for wondering about the characters' sexual orientation is that Picture This! Entertainment, the DVD distributor, mainly handles gay-themed films. They aren't known for handling general audience foreign films as well (like for instance Strand Releasing). So seeing the Picture This! logo while scanning the shelves for something interesting might reasonably signal a gay-themed movie.

In this case, a viewer seeking a gay-themed film will be surprised that this isn't one. Instead he will find a terrific film that has no gay content whatsoever. In other words, I'm glad I got to see it.

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Any film about a boy's school, boxing, and military uniforms with a handsome actor like Max Riemelt with a beautiful body parading around nude is going to appeal to a gay audience even if the characters aren't gay. So it's no surprise that a distributing company that handles a lot of gay films picked this up.

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Didn't you see the scene where they were peeping into the girls bathroom? Those guys were totally hetro.

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Hmmmmm. My dad hugged me on graduation. I wonder if he's queer...??

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remember Nazi Germany put gay people in camps like they did with jews.

I'm a Republican, and thats my opinion on this matter.

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If all you saw was the bathroom scene, you might think they were gay.

But they didn't love in each other in a romantic way. Their love was platonic. They shared a bond, a common brotherhood. It's the sort of thing that Shakespeare wrote about, albeit it's been dragged out too much contemporarily (e.g. "We happy few, we band of brothers). The one was tramatized by having killed those Russian children and was now finally seeing the evil Nazi regime for what it really was. The other waa desperate to not lose his only friend in that dreadful school and also worried that his friend would get himself killed for his outspoken beliefs.

I honestly didn't see anything gay in this movie at all.

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