Where's here? It's hypocritical b/c it's also a body choice issue
You're still not making yourself clear, eraser. Why is it hypocritical because it's a body choice issue? It's legal, which means people have the right to sell their bodies for money. Where's the hypocrisy?
Do you even know who she is?
I'm sorry, I thought you were referring to "Jane Roe", the alias of the woman who brought the original lawsuit. Did you mean someone else?
It doesn't matter that she is against it now (after converting to Christianity, I might add). She's still just one person who has no right to make decisions for others. In any case, Roe vs Wade was more in the nature of a class action so ultimately it concerned more people than just her.
So why was this never an issue or legal in that era?
In ancient times it doesn't seem to have been illegal, although it wasn't universally accepted. Around the 1200-1400s, it was accepted prior to quickening and punished after it, although not as murder - it clearly was recognised as a lesser crime. It wasn't until the 1800s that all abortion began to be outlawed in the US and Europe, and began to be made legal again under limited circumstances in the 20th century, starting with post-revolution Russia.
No duh most isn't. So 6 weeks is the cutoff point for you?
So why do you bring up partial birth? Where I'm from the legal cutoff is 12 wks I think, although late term abortions can be performed when there are complications. I've stated before though that my only position is that it is the individual woman's choice, not mine and not anyone else's.
Unprotected.
Firstly, it wouldn't happen. I'm not stupid. Secondly, I'd get an abortion in any case. No kids for me.
Wrong, if you shouldn't have it, it's b/c you're recklessly irresponsible. And bad looks not stopping you from having a sex life is a huge example of the cultural differences I speak of. Here, they sure do.
Eraser... what is it going to take to get over your outmoded attitude to sex? Stop seeing it as a bad thing!! It's a very good thing, and with the proper precautions the consequences can be avoided, unless you're very unlucky. And not being good-looking might narrow your choices as far as partners are concerned, I've found that the way you act is more important than the way you look. Can I give you some advice, one homely person to another? It's more likely to be your attitudes that are hindering you, not your looks. Particularly your attitude to women, which is especially misogynistic. Your extremely negative attitude to sex also wouldn't help.
Agree to raise it. Duh.
Do you really think it's that simple? It would be good if you DID know someone who had had an abortion, you might be able to get a more realistic view of the issue. Your girlfriend might wish to abort for other reasons, in which case your offer to raise it wouldn't be much use. I realise it would be tragic for you, with your highly emotional views on foetuses, but until someone comes up with a way to carry a child to term without the use of the mother's body I'm afraid that's just the way it is. Her uterus, her choice. When it's your uterus, you can choose.
Paying the price isn't supposed to have a positive effect.
Wtf is it for then? Is it punishment? You're suggesting using pregnancy, childbirth and the very life of a child as punishment? That's sick, and it's pointless. A life sentence is way out of proportion to the mistake. And why should they pay the price in the first place? Can you come up with a reason that doesn't involve your own highly personal moral code?
So you're just on the side of wherever its fought?
Um, yes? Because if country A invades country B, the people of country B have every right to fight back. It's pretty simple, it really is. Why on earth would I support the invaders? The day I support USA is the day they prove to me that they're doing something out of genuine concern for ordinary people (and to quote a very very funny man, on that day Satan will be skating to work).
I'm talking about what started our conflict w/ them in the first place.
Lots of countries invade other countries. The US does it (obviously). Israel comes to mind. The invasion of Kuwait was not a motivation for the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
Total total total crap. Many past philosophers have come to the same conclusion.
Brimming over with wrongness . If human nature is evil, why do we see so many acts of kindness and compassion? What's your evidence for the evil nature of humans? Who are these philosophers and why are they in possession of ultimate truth? All philosophers do is give their own opinions .
That's b/c you keep referencing things that concern America, like the Iraq war.
It should be blindingly obvious that the Iraq war doesn't only concern America. Quite apart from the fact that troops from other countries are taking part (like my own, unfortunately), unbridled American aggression is everyone's concern.
Geez, that Ribena's looking a bit hot...
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