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Would the aboriginals have cared if the victim had


been white? I doubt it. If she had been white, and the abos had found her, would they have acted any differently? I doubt it.

Gave them a good excuse for a bit of payback, though , didn't it?? They were more angry at the fishermen than they were at the person who had actually murdered the girl. IMHO

A highly unpleasant little movie, full of highly unpleasant characters - and what exactly were we supposed to deduce from the final scene? That the murderous old plumber who was the root cause of all the trouble got stung in the neck by a hornet and died, right there in his pick up cab?? (While awaitng another victim, it appears).

And that so-called song - sounded like a Dolly Parton impersonator (complete with accent) on a really bad day singing into a half empty rain water butt.

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Yeah, it would have worked with blacks finding a white woman´s body too, I suppose. But whites are the top dogs in Australia, the majority and at the "center" of the community in the film, so it wouldn´t have been the same thing, with respect to power relationships. There´s a long history in Australia of blacks being seen as inferior, almost less than human, and the movie partially deals with that. You can´t ignore that when you assess the film.

They knew who the whites were. Also, really what´s worse? A lone psycho killer, or "normal" men, just people from the community, who obviously don´t get alarmed enough by a murdered black girl to cut their fishing trip short. It´s a symbol for the contempt with which mainstream Aussie society has viewed the Abos.

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They would have reported it, some cultures just have a greater respect for the dead no matter the color.

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You can't possibly know that, klittlewolf.

You're just perpetuating the nauseous guff of the "noble savage" fallacy.
Or do you really think it doesn't count as racism if the people you're slighting are white ?


You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

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I agrees with the OP.

whether or not the guys reported the crime in time or not, she was already dead...and very evident they werent the cause. i'm guessing since they had no one else to blame, they blamed the fishermen, who everyone turned against, even their own families. Shame...

Not another brainless "everyone freaks out cus nobody's older than 30" movie...

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Those crazy old Abo's, they're a funny mob. On one hand they want thing's traditional and resent ol' whitey and all things that he has brought to their earth mother..on the other hand they don't mind living in that house and driving their cars on the drive-by rockings. Must be torture living with such a torn conscience?
I've read of and also seen other movies where Abo's have come across dead whites and for that matter other native blacks, although from alternative tribes, and done nothing more than strolled on. And i thought they didn't want to be accountable to white mans law, tribal law applied to them only..if so reporting this to the police would be against their beliefs...blackfellas business.
Christ, you can't have it every way in this world...




I had a fish named Sam he lived in a bowl........

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your racist hateful spew sank my heart in despair that we live in a world with jerks like you. How could you compare the natives who were destroyed by the colonial rule of the whites as equals? do you not understand colonialism? when does someone taking over your house, destroying your people, oppressing them, and then demanding that you now follow their rules as it is their house ok in your views? it was their land, their laws, just because whites have controlled land and resources of non-whites does not make them "theirs"same in U.S. destroying natives, using slaves to be successful and now acting like god of the world, in palestine,jews killing the natives and becoming in control and now acting like they are fighting terrorism, you racist colonial mindsets are the reason the world is such a mess.

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It wasn’t about them thinking the fishermen were the cause of her death. I never got the impression that they thought that at all.

It had to do with their culture and what they saw was blatant disrespect of the girl’s body. They finished their vacation and left her floating half naked in the water. Meanwhile her family is worried sick and wondering where she is. Valuable time was lost in possibly finding her killer, and the time she spent in the water could’ve been time her family used to prepare her for a proper burial and say goodbye. I got the impression that this was spiritual for them as well, meaning these men prevented her from “crossing over” properly.

As to whether or not they would’ve reacted differently if the fisherman were Aborigine and the victim were white, I don’t know. I think they would be just as disgusted when they heard about it, but in this case their reactions were so extreme because this was someone they loved.

I’d LIKE to think that no matter what race the people are, MOST people who find a murder victim would report the crime right away. I think these men were basically good men who probably thought their actions made sense at the time, but were eventually forced to admit they made an extreme error in judgment.

I do agree that there were a few moments when I was getting annoyed at the girls family because as you all mentioned, the killer WAS still out there, and I felt they should’ve concentrated on that eventually.


When the hurly-burly's done. When the battle's lost and won.

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Purple,

I'd like to address a few of your thoughts here.

First, i didn't see the leaving of the body in the water as disrespectful. It kept it from decomposing faster. And as we all know, there is really not much of a crime scene to preserve IN water. So, other than the tether leaving a mark on the body that wasn't there to begin with, which could then easily be dismissed by the coroner for what it was, it shouldn't make a difference.

2nd, i don't believe they DID finish their vacation. They cut their vacation short of their original plan. Or do you think the original plan was to drive that far, then hike in for the better part of a day to spend only to spend at most one and a half days in camp? Not very likely for most campers/hikers.

I do think MOST people would report this crime right away IF the act of reporting was an easy thing to do. If their cell phones worked where they were OR if contacting the Authorities was a simple matter of walking an hour or so to a payphone, then it WOULD have happened. But hiking back out from that deep in the bush and then driving far enough back to civilization JUST to get within Cell range was NOT a simple matter. That was a tough hike. I'd guess the Authorities didn't walk back in with them. More than likely a Helicoptor or powered watercraft was used to get back to the body. That's how far it was into the wilderness. Only kooky Outdoor type of guys would even bother trekking that far into the bush for a couple of fish in the first place. It's probably why the Crazy old coot dumped her body in that river.

As some people have pointed out, it was no mistake that these fellows were White in this tale. I also think, more importantly, it wasn't a mistake that they were Male. Aside from Stewart's initial panicked/revolted reaction to finding the body, i think they all acted very typically like GUYS act.

I take great insult when people say they ignored the body and just went on enjoying their vacation. THAT is NOT what happened. Rewatch the flick if need be.

1. They collectively decided that it was too late in the day to hike back once the body was discovered. That made complete sense.

2. Stewart awoke before everyone else. And in a perfectly understandable fashion, as alot of guys will do, he did something he enjoyed to take his mind off of things while waiting for the others to awaken. If this isn't the classic behavior of many men who are trying to block out an unpleasant experience, i don't what is.

3. When the others finally got up and saw Stewart's fishing haul and how happy/relieved he looked, they jumped at the opportunity to capture some of that same sensation for themselves. Immature? Insensitive? maybe, but it sure sounds like alot of Men who are currently walking around on the planet, No? Men in general don't usually discuss their emotions and react in the way that overly "sensitive" people do. You'll notice, these guys DIDN'T discuss ignoring her body and fishing all afternoon, they just did it as a reactionary way of coping with their situation and probably a desire for their trip to have not been a complete waste of their time Topped with the horrible memory of discovering a corpse.

4. Once they all took part in just a little of the pleasure that was supposed to be their Vacation, and once again acknowledging it was too late to start back, cooler calmer, more introspective thought crept into their encampment. ONLY then was there a discussion on what the "Proper" thing to do given their situation. Then the announcement was made that at least one of them was leaving 1st thing the next morning no matter what. And upon discussing this, they all agreed to that.


So in summation, i find it funny that the ENTIRE TOWN and so many of the people commenting on this film say "Oh, that's NOT what i'd have done". But it's easy to second guess these fellows and their behavior on the face of it.

It's very similar in thought pattern to a short story i read years back called The Stone Boy about a child who didn't react in the immediate emotional way that most "Normal" people judged after the fact that he SHOULD have acted.

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Sorry for the delayed response:

ABBEY1227 - If I can find this movie or if it comes on TV again I will watch it and get back to you, because it has been a while since I've seen the movie. Why you would take "great insult" to a perception many others seem to have felt about the movie is interesting to me (after all, they're just POVs), but perhaps I'll figure that out upon my next viewing of the film.

But in closing, I would like to add that my comments were meant to be less about what the men were doing and more about how the girl's family felt towards the fisherman. I was directly responding to Roy Da Boy's comment "whether or not the guys reported the crime in time or not, she was already dead...and very evident they werent the cause". Justified or not, the girl's family saw these men as one thing and thier anger towards them almost seem to over power any anger they may have felt towards whoever killed her.



When the hurly-burly's done. When the battle's lost and won.

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I find the word "redneck" offensive please have the good taste not to use it in my presence as it offends my redneck ancestry.
Oh if the N word is racist to every person in the US then why is it used so frequently by EVERY race in the US. I'll assume by the way you spelled ASS instead ARSE... the way we do here in AUSTRALIA.. that you are one who is intriqued by American culture therefor the movies you watch will prove my point.
Oh, also, I've said it to plenty in my life..I grew up and still live in an ABO predominant area...not everyone is as thin skinned and sensitve as you..we're all mates..you should find some, you'll like the real world, trust me.



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I had a fish named Sam he lived in a bowl........

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I would agree with you except that they all acted that way collectively. Not one of them said a thing about possibly cutting this trip short to tell the authorities - and that is odd in any country, my friend. One or two? I can buy that. But the "they're men" scenario doesn't wash completely with me because men are by far the more fragile of the two sexes and at least one of them would have broken and taken off like a bottle rocket.

All women would have reported it straight away because women are stronger and more compassionate. I can't think of one female in my life, paralyzed or not, on crutches or not, who would not have scaled that hill immediately.

But there it is! Women are stronger, express themselves better, and are much less egotistical.

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I would agree with you except that they all acted that way collectively. Not one of them said a thing about possibly cutting this trip short to tell the authorities - and that is odd in any country, my friend. One or two? I can buy that.
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One important component of the film is that they DIDN'T discuss much of their actions. and they DID cut their trip short...just not as short as so many second-guessers claim thay would have





But the "they're men" scenario doesn't wash completely with me because men are by far the more fragile of the two sexes and at least one of them would have broken and taken off like a bottle rocket.
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and then that 1 more than likely would have gotten lost and died in the wilderness. Probably be days before their body was found, too...if ever






All women would have reported it straight away because women are stronger and more compassionate.
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right





I can't think of one female in my life, paralyzed or not, on crutches or not, who would not have scaled that hill immediately.
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that "hill"?
did you miss the part where they hiked for a very long time just to get out that far?

Many women would never hike that far to fish in the first place. Heck, many men wouldn't hike that far to fish either




But there it is! Women are stronger, express themselves better, and are much less egotistical.
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Women are NOT stronger or else they'd be much better suited to fending off old codgers on lonely stretches of roadway, don't you think?

They don't necessarily express themselves better either. They may go to a greater effort and talk more about expressing themselves. But are they succeeding? it's highly debatable


I'll give you the egotistical part

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Is that right? Think about this: who lives longer? Answer: Women :) Who goes through more? Answer: Women Who keeps the children bathed and washed, schooled and ready? Answer: Women Who gives birth to them and manages a household and a high paying job WITHOUT having a heartache at 50? Answer: Women.

Women are stronger, friend, and my best friend hikes the mountains all the time..with five kids at home and two jobs. Women are stronger ..by far, and it's an evolutionary fact. Women have to be. Men have brute strength until older age, and that is why the girl couldn't out "fight" the guy. Strength isn't measured in muscle mass.

Nice try, though. Thank you for playing.

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Reading stupid threads like this make me ashamed to be Australian. You wonder why white Australia has such a bad reptutation.

The 'Abos' (as you so eloquantly put it) weren't upset because white people left an Aboriginal woman in the water, they were upset because a bunch of guys left there sister, daughter, friend in the water.

Most people wouldn't do that no matter what colour skin they have.

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no, because their beef is obviously something to do with perceived racism, ie projected racism.

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