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'you can't carry 3 guns unless you got 3 hands'


in the boot camp, the instructor say that "you can't carry 3 guns unless you got 3 hands" thats sound stupid, did anybody carry guns on each hand?

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yer it does sound stupid i men unless ur some mafia guy with 2 uzis then how do u expect to carry 2 rifles and fire them i love the game though

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You stick one rifle down your pants.

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No, it's completely right. Most soldiers wouldn't have great accuracy with one fully automatic weapon, let alone two. And, realistically, where would you carry a second rifle? No, "down your pants" does not make sense. These weren't no light-weight guns. Heavy stuff, I promise you. I actually got to hold both a WWII era Thompson, as well as a US bazooka (antique/collectable store). Take it from me, you aren't doing too much extra carrying with those bricks strapped to you.

Ever see Saving Private Ryan?

Sgt- "Where's your BAR, soldier?"
Pvt- "Bottom of the river, sir! Tried to drown me!"
Sgt- "Go find a replacement!"

Yeah, they're heavy.

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I know of a few Rangers who carried both a Garand (for long range work) and a Thompson (for the up close and personal stuff). It was not a regular thing among soldiers, though.

And humping a BAR and a Thompson on patrol would REALLY suck.

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Weight of weapons:
M1 garand: 9 1/2 lbs.
Thompson: 10 lbs.
M1 carbine: 6 lbs.
Kar 98: 8 lbs.
MP40: 8 lbs.
Springfield: 5 lbs.
M2 30. cal Browning: ~50 lbs.
M2 50. cal Browning: 128 lbs.
M9 bazooka: ~35 lbs.
BAR: 15 lbs.
Colt 45. 2 lbs
Walther P38 2 lbs.

By the way, men did not carry M1 Garands and a Thompson. They had different members of the squad. Riflemen carried Garands and M1 Carbines while support gunners carried BARs and M2's while while light infantry/Submachine gunners carried Thompsons.

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Soldiers were only issued one primary weapon for the most part. Carrying around the 80 or so pounds of gear and weapons is bad enough, but that's only including one primary weapon. Adding a 12 pound Thompson and 12 pounds' worth of ammo for it to the mix and your movement is severely hampered. One gun for the grunts is the most common, with snipers, NCO's, officers, radiomen, and machine gunners getting a sidearm as well.

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Machine gunners would certainly get a sidearm or like an M1 carbine for backup, at least in the Korean War. Since our soldiers had plenty of experience fighting a crap load of Japanese soldiers in suicide runs, they came to expect it from the hundreds of thousands of Chinese thrown into the mix in Korea.

Snipers get a sidearm since the rifles they use is almost four feet long, and 90% off the time is bolt action. Not my kind of gun to use when making my way up to a 2nd-plus story window/baclony/rooftop, etc.

Radiomen would get one if they didn't get a carbine because in addition to their extra clothing, rations, and other sh!t they carry, they have to work with a 40 or so pound radio, so may as well give them a light and compat weapon for defense, rather than offense, since their offense is a call for air power or 155's shelling the area.

Officers get a sidearm because.....they're officers. They just direct the NCO's most of the time, so their job doesn't entail shooting people much. And pistols are also a symbol of....something. High rank or whatever. All officers have a pistol, whether for defense or symbolism.

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I know that many airborne Privates (who you play as in both British and U.S. missions) Had the option to buy a .45 pistol (well at least U.S. paratroopers did) and most did which Stephen Ambrose states in his book "Band of Brothers." But even with non paratroopers .45s were popular and if a GI really wanted one he could probably get a .45 one way or another. But they were issued commonly issued to any man that carried a radio, machinegun or other specialized equipment, as well as many rear echelon troops and all officers.

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As I said someplace else before on this post... if you picked weapons off a dead man no one had the time or energy to tell you that you couldn't carry that weapon around.

If I walk by a dead paratrooper with a Thompson and a Pistol, and I take them off him and toss my Garand, no one would ask questions when I got to a rally point or into action.

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Hmmm, standard infantry did not carry a thompson, that was Sergent+ weapon, Standard infantry were either equiped with a BAR, hand gun and a set of nades and knife or in place of the BAR the M1 Garand, supposedly the gun that won the war etc

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Oh, I thought you were just happy to see me.



Ah!...Now we see the violence inherent in the system!

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the true problem is the regularity you see thompsons (and mp44's).

the M1A1 Garand was the standard issue rifle, followed by the Carbine and then the Grease Gun. (if i'm correct on the ordering, I do know that the M1A1 Garand was the standard issue though)

Thompsons were expsensive ($200 in that time's money for one of them) and only officers or intensely trained marksmen got them.


And it was never standard in any army to issue multiple weapons; why give them mediocre, standard, lengthy training with 3 guns when they can become lethal killing machines with a certain one weapon and in less time?

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I have read in many interviews and in veteran's journals, that soldiers would try to get as much firepower as possible. EX Battle of the Bulge. Many of the infantry were sent in to the Ardenners(really bad spelling error. Forgot how to spell it) Forest, with very little ammo. They would get as much firepower as they could so that they would be able to repel back the German forces.

-head

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yea except in that case, most of them went in with no ammo, they were not being issued other weapons. They had to defend at all costs and with a shortage of supplies due to being completely surrounded, obviously they would use as many weapons available.

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They're probably compensating for the fact that your allies are senseless morons that run into oncoming gunfire. It's also more appealing to the gamers. Beating the game with a bolt action rifle that takes aeons to chamber another round or using a machine gun that couldn't hit something 4 feet in front of you would be pretty damn hard.

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Actually it's much better to play the game using only your pistols. Not only will you run faster, it's also a lot more fun than using bolt-action rifles.

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The M1A1 Garand? Just M1 guys. Carbines were for Cpls, or engineers, etc. Thompsons were seen in action by corporals also, but usually that included you having to pick one up and taking his ammunition.

Why would you need intensely trained marksmen to use a Thompson? It's not like they're going to use it as a sniper rifle.

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Pull a gun off of a dead G.I. and who was gonna tell you that you weren't allowed to use it? I've seen men of all ranks with all different types of weapons in the war. If you were assigned an M1 Garand, you could very easily run out of ammo and strip a dead man for his M1 Carbine or a Thompson and grab his ammo as well and no one would have the time or desire to stop you.

Much like enlisted men in the Pacific getting their hands on pistols... no one would stop you if you had one

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As the other repliers have pointed out, regular soldiers only carried *1* gun (without a pistol). Remember that in real life the army used a squad based system as opposed to the 1 man rambo that is in games. Of course having a 1 man squad is more fun and it would be sort of difficult to command an entire squad in game.
Anyway the breakdown was usually something like:

1xSquad Leader: Thompson + M1911 Pistol
4xRiflemen: M1 Garand
1xSupport Gunner: BAR or machine gun
1xSniper: M1903 Springfield

That is just an example, but things were usually distributed somewhat like that. Additionally, officers always get M1911s, paratroopers and 'non offense' personnel would get M1 Carbines (guys that weren't frontline soldiers but who were close to the fighting like transport drivers, artillery operators, etc).

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Ok, seems to be a lot of misconceptions here. Agarza, you seem to have come to the closest of how a infantry squad was composed in WWII, but everyone else seems really off. I'm no expert, just read lightly on the subject.

This is an excellent reference: http://world.guns.ru/main-e.htm

First off, yes, only 1 primary weapon was issued per soldier (obviously).

Pistols could be purchased by enlisted men, and were standard issue for officers.

The M1 Garand was the standard issue rifle. As people have pointed out, the idea of an assault rifle wasn't present in WWII (Germany began to develope it near the end, but it was too late by then). An assualt rifle uses a cartridge in between the power of a pistol round and a rifle round. This allows controllable automatic fire, good manuaveriblity, and effective use out to about 300m or so.

With no AR, a WWII squad had to have a mix of weapons that were good for close combat (thompson/grease gun), Long range combat (Garand) and intermediate range combat (M1 Carbine, which also served as a "defense weapon" to non-combat troops). The thompson was not issued exclusively to higher ranking infantry. And being a "excellent marksman" was not a requirement (thompson was only effective out to about 50m anyway). The BAR functioned as a squad automatic weapon. In other words, a mobile light machine gun. Used to make the enemy keep his head down while the rest of the team manuavered to kill them. The BAR is thought of as an ugly compromise in reality. While reliable and accurate, its magazine capacity (20 rounds) wasn't enough for it to be an effective light machinegun and its weight (~20 lbs.) was too much for it to effectively move with the rest of the squad.

Snipers were often attached to infantry at the platoon or company level. This doctrine is generally regaurded as inferior to the German doctrine which had snipers operating independently of main-force infantry, allowing for greater stealth.

In reality, a US WWII squad was composed of 12 men. In theory, this was the basic unit of infantry warfare, they were supposed to work as one. It was somewhat unweildy at 12 men, and the US Marines unofficially broke down squads into fireteams of 6 men to make up for it. No machineguns were issued at the squad level.

Contrast this with the germans using the MG34 and later the MG42, with their incredible rates of fire as the heart of their infantry squads. In a 1:1 engagement, an MG34/MG42 would readily win fire superiority (more firepower = enemy cannot shoot back) and supress the enemy, allowing for flanking by the supporting riflemen.

Modern day US infantry squads are composed of 9 men and 2 fireteams.
1x Squad leader
2x M249 SAW gunners
2x Fireteam Leaders
2x M203 grenadiers
2x Riflemen

A squad designated marksman (equiped with a scoped rifle, but not truly a sniper) is sometimes assigned to a squad as well.

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FreemanNate got it spot on. Nice post Nate.

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not to sound insensitive, but it would be a waste to give more than one gun to standard infantry. seeing how so many soldiers died before they even got to fire a shot.

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it was probably to make fun of games like Wolfenstein where you carry an entire arsenal with you

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