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Lord of the Rings got ripped from a 12th Ocar?


I was thinking about this the other day, after a long arguement with some friends that Sean Austin deserved the best supporting actor Oscar for Lord of the Rings, but I just now thought, that would give them 12 Oscars, the highest number ever. Was it that the academy didn't want that (They never even gave a Fantasy/Sci-Fi a chance at Best Picture or that stuff in a long time!) or they just didn't like it? I mean, a nomination at least would have made me happy... he was just so deserving in my opinion for his portrayal of Frodo's faithful gardener.

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You know I totally agree with that that Sean Astin did deserve a nomination for Best Supporting Actor. He was really great in Return of the King but the only problem I personally think with that is it truly is SUCH an ensemble piece. If you think about it how can you really put him in a best supporting actor without looking at Viggo Mortensen or Andy Serkis(although he couldn't anyway sadly since he's a computer animated character). Seriously though, how do you fairly decide who would actually get it since there are so many other actors in the movie that could arguably be entitled to the same nomination?

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I agree. She should have been nominated.

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She? last time i watched LoTR, Sean Astin was still a little more male than female :)

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I think they got snubbed for Best Cinematography. Andrew Lesnie did excellent work, and he should have gotten that.

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You crazy, idiotic people. LOTR was a good movie but are you honestly telling me that Sean Astin got snubbed for an OSCAR?! That's laughable. Do you think that he was better than Tim Robbins in "Mystic River"? Come On.

P.S.- I'M GLAD YOU PEOPLE DONT VOTE FOR THE OSCARS

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Yes I do believe that Sean Astin was better than Tim Robbins for Mystic River. Somehow, maybe I just saw it different, but Robbin's performance came off a bit cliched. The weepy sobby part at the end and then the way he acted in the scene right before *SPOILER* Jimmy kills him is kind of annoying and a little too anxiety stricken. But aside from Sean Astin I also thought that Djimon Hounsou and Ken Wattanabe as well as Paul Bettany were much better than Tim. Don't get me wrong that in 2003 Tim Robbin's performance was very good, just there were in my opinion six better choices at the award. My choices for the Oscar Noms and Win last year are as follows:
-Sean Astin-The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
-Paul Bettany-Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World
-Djimon Hounsou-In America
-Ian McKellen-The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
-Ken Wattanabe-The Last Samurai

My choice for the winner is Sean Astin. I don't believe there was a more emotionally charged performance in the past few years. The only one that comes close is one that also won the Oscar in the same year and that was Charlize Theron-Monster.

P.S.-I wish people like us did vote for the Oscars. Do you realize how many Oscars The Lord of the Rings would actually have. I don't think there would be winner in any other award other than Lead Actress, Supporting Actress, and Original Screenplay.

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The Lord of The Rings: The Return of The King is a good movie, but it did not deserve all 11 Oscars so let alone 12.
I think perhaps Sean Astin should've gotten a Golden Globe nomination at the most, but not an Oscar nom though.

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"I wish people like us did vote for the Oscars. Do you realize how many Oscars The Lord of the Rings would actually have. I don't think there would be winner in any other award other than Lead Actress, Supporting Actress, and Original Screenplay."

That's why it's a good thing that people like you don't vote for the Oscars. Return of the King didn't deserve 11 Oscars. I can see why people like these movies, but to me they're just not that good. I watched the extended edition at my friends' house and we ended up trashing it pretty much the whole time.

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im going to be totally truthful....i hate all of the LOTR films i think they were all completely overrated. having said that i do believe that sean astin was robbed for a nomination. he deffinatly deserved a nom....although he would not deserve a win...just because i thought the movie was horrible does not mean i will overlook a great performance....keep in mind though there was only one other acting nomination for all 3 films and that was ian mckellan.....thats a damn good person to be associated with and considering ian an older accomplished actor(which the academy LOVES) did not win, a younger actor who has not made that many oscar type films would most likely never win.....and by the way i do not mean to offend the LOTR fans this is just my opinion and if it sounds bitchy or anything like that, that was truely not my intention

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Return of the King is a wonderful epic. I thought the Fellowship was nice, I hated the Two Towers, but Return of the King was truly magnificent. The music, wow. 11 wins at the Oscars. Hmmm, I'd say it got a couple more than it should have.

Best Original Song - I honestly thought "A Kiss at the End of the Rainbow" was better.
Best Film Editing - I'm not editing expert, so I can't say anything here with too much credibility. But, the editing in City of God was unreal to me.

No, it would never have won for Best Cinematography because of the abundant use of special visual effects.

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saying that Lord of the Rings was 'ripped off' from anything in last years academy awards is laughable. If anyone from these films were nominated for acting it would have lowered the respect of the academy alot. Im sorry but alot of actors could have played these characters the way they were played.

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11 Oscars or 12 Oscars? Does the number really matter? The series grossed over $2.8 BILLION - a total unlikely to be equalled and, of course, they are based on one of the most successful novels of all time. These two facts alone would have made the Academy look pretty stupid had it totally ignored LOTR's public support at the box-office and the books universal popularity.
The real question is - why did it take the Academy until LOTR3 to start handing out statuettes in quantity? No, it wasn't waiting for confirmation that LOTR3 was the best of the lot; nor had there been better movies around in 2001 and 2002 to hold off acclaiming LOTR1 or LOTR2. Neither can you give me the excuse that the Academy doesn't bow to box office numbers (don't forget "Titanic").
The real reason the Academy reluctantly took so long to acknowledge LOTR in the Best Movie category was simply because it was not made in the good old U.S of A.
I am quite sure that, had all three episodes been the product of AMERICAN studios, then the statuettes would have been flying out a lot sooner than 2003.
Whether the Academy likes to admit it or not, the Oscars remain a huge "let's pat ourselves on the back yet again, America". (The Grammy's is another example of this myopic self-congratulatory syndrome that plagues the US mentality). [And why ever not, I hear the Americans reading this say? As anyone in Hollywood can tell you, as a form of self-justification - "We spend the most money - so we deserve to have the biggest say in who gets what!"]
IF the Oscars were about TRUE quality in movie making, then far more foreign movies would receive the highest category nominations. Look back over the history of the Academy Awards and you will see a few "token" non-American films, actors, writers, etc receiving their just rewards. But in the main, the list is dominated by American films and personel and, I am sorry to tell you, that doesn't mean it's better quality than the rest.
It is such a shame that the Oscars are not a FAIR and EQUITABLE measure of UNIVERSAL achievement in the movie industry WORLDWIDE.

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I TOTALLY agree with you!!!!!! SEAN ASTIN ROCKS!!!!!!!!

"I have not passed through fire and death to bandy crooked words with witless worms!"-Gandalf

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I believe this qualifies as probably the dumbest post i've read. Ever.

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No, this movie didn't get ripped off. It won more Oscars than it deserved. There's a site I like to go to, LittleGoldenGuy.com, where you get to vote for every catagory for every year. for 2003, I gave Return of the King a total of 4 Oscars. Lost in Translation swepy : D lol. In my dreams, anyway.



"Why was "The Royal Tenenbaums" not nominated for Best Picture?!?"-Me

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Fook Sean Patty-Duke's Son Astin! Valley of the Return of the King, my Dog!

ANDY SERKIS dude, was about the most central figure of the entrire set of books, even mroeso than Frodo. And Andy pulled it off so well, that he SHOULD have gotten an oscar. Look, he played Gollum in 3 different personalities. Without Andy I would NOT have believed that the gangrel creature shambling along with Frodo and Sam was actually Gollum.

But, I agree, LOTR SHOULD have swept 12 oscarz. Actually, they had about 20 oscars when they were all added up at the end of the night, with some of the technical oscars that you did not see the awards for.

The Oscar-Meyers have a LONG history of shafting the Sci Fi genre. So, 11 major oscars is a big win for the Sci Fi/Fantasy genre (Let's just say, the Fantastic genre).

Sean Penn won BEST ACTOR? Mystic Pizzariver was not only a horrid pointless depressing moovie, but Sean Penn was NOT the main character there, it was the other guy (Can't think of his name, they guy whose character got kidnapped in the car).

What other atrocities happened at the 76th oscarwieners?

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I thought the cinematography deserved at least a nomination, if not a win.

Same with 'Lost in Translation'. Even in a contemporary film, it actually had amazing cinematography.

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astin should have been nominated for his work in return of the king however robbins deserved the award. the 11 wins were a little much, the academy was just overcompensating for the previous snubs. for everyone that says "we" should vote for the oscars, that's garbage. we should try to maintain at least some sort of judged awards for film making and acting before we turn this into the mtv movie awards and start giving vin diesel awards.

p.s. rebel-- great trailer park boys quote, having trouble finding it on tv anymore, do you have any idea when it's on? thanks.

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You can argue a Supporting nomination for Astin and a Cinematography nod. The 12th catogoary and win for ROTK should have been Sound Editing. It's a no brainer.

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sean astin really did deserve at least a nomination his performanced wes brilliant!!

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