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Esoteric, or have mixed reviews also been prevelant in Australia?


I've been intrigued to see this film ever since I missed it at SIFF this year, hearing how well it did in Australia (13 film awards) as well as various good ink. However, it seems like reviews overseas haven't been too lauding. For Australian posters, is there something political or colloquial about this film that is firmly rooted in it's home country, or has this film always gotten a mixed reception even during it's initial local run?





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Wow, that was so intelligent, I thought you had the wrong message board for a moment.
Ha.
Well, I think you have to take some of the Australian culture into account when watching.

Take for instance, Sam Worthington's character. He has been made into the "typical" Australian male- no bad feelings, tough outer covering, hard worker. But as the film progresses you see that he is not meant to be that, that he is soft on the inside and that builds up to a final breakdown in the end. It's great to see that- alot of Australian males I guess can relate to that pressure to be that "Aussie" male, it's hard to express any true feelings.

So, yes, some of it may be Colloquial, but I think you really need to watch it yourself to make that opinion. In my eyes I don't think it is a typical "true-blue" Australian movie.

There is that complexity that not alot of Australian movies have, and it's a breath of fresh air in the Australian cinema.

I urge people to see this movie, it's fantastic!

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Thanks so much for your explanation about the film. I really enjoyed the film but was a little confused about some of the parts.

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It's hard to imagine that this film was well-recieved because of its australianess. It takes place in the snowy mountains which is not a significant cultural reference point at all, and it also seems to take place out of time, so that it's hard to say that the movie's doing this or that particularly in reference to Australia - it's located outside of space and time; it's surreal. The aesthetics of the film were discussed more in the press I believe than the story. It has a really sophisticated visual styling and an impressive soundtrack. The conversation in the press was alsways about the cinematography, the acting, the soundtrack, and the fact that the filmmaker is from Bondi. (There were also remarks about its sexiness, but never anythng sustained.) I think the sophistication in film-making was what was really impressive and also what allowed it to sweep the afis. (It was also an uninspired year for Australian films so there was not much competition.) But, the point is that it was impressive as hell for an australian film; and that judged against the entire world ouput, it necessarily loses some of its impressiveness. As far as I could tell, the critical voice in Australia was nigh-on univocal in the praise of this film.

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It did recieve mixed reviews when it was released in Australia. Our Aussie movie industry has been flagging for several years now, and this movie was supposed to mean the 'revival' of the industry.
However it did no such thing. Despite the awards and the heavy publicity, the movie didn't do very well here commercially.
It cannot bank its success on "Australianism", because to me it's not your typical Australian movie. See The Castle for that.
I think the reason for its lack of success here was that it's rare to find an Australian movie that deals with such heavy issues, and as the protagonist is a 16 year old girl, I doubt that did much to enhance the popularity.
I think the reason it is getting mixed reviews overseas is that the American industry are used to us churning out Crocodile Dundee type movies, that rely on the Australian stereotype to sell tickets.

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Thanks a bunch! Definitily have intrest in checking it out (whenever it's finally released over here).

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it opens today! great reviews in NY TImes and LA Times too ... lets hope enough people hear about it

theater listings and trailer are at http://www.myspace.com/somersaultthemovie

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Well, I did finally see this yesterday, and although I could see that this wasn't everybody's cup of tea (particulary in it's devotion by the director to keep herself and the audience slightly detached from the main characters, and perhaps falling a little too much in love with fleeting slow-motion effects), thinking about it more helped me appreciate a film about people who normally would maddeningly frustrate you after your mind. It was great for director Shortland to have the patience to find the great story underneath.






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I remember when it came out I saw a lot of pretty good reviews (here in Australia). I'm sure there were some negative ones too though - although they mostly came a bit after the fact. The reason it did so well here is because there are only like 2 Australian films made every year and they're usually pretty bad so there's no competition for awards. It's funny because I thought it was all right when I watched it but looking back I think it's pretty awful. I see back in 2004 I gave it 7 but I am changing my vote now.

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I live in America, have worked in Australia, gone to back to visit and plan to keep doing so as often as I can, and "Somersault" is my favorite movie of the year so far, even counting "Little Miss Sunshine" and "Half Nelson".

I was disappointed "Somersault" did not do well in America, even on the art house circuit. I had seen trailers for it for a few months and then it was pulled from the San Diego market and I didn't even get to see it until the DVD was released.

I was so confident the movie would be good that I bought it sight unseen.

And I feel completely justified because the film is amazing. The acting, cinematography, soundtrack, direction, writing - all of it stands out.

Still, I'm also surprised it swept the AFIs. I would have to agree with some of the previous posts and say that the competition was probably not that tough in that particular year. I watched the 2005 AFIs and saw some of the films up for competition ("The Proposition", "Little Fish", "Look Both Ways", etc) and if "Somersault" had been released last year, it would have won some awards but not all of them.

So, just like any awards show, a lot can depend on when the film gets released.

When it comes down to it, all I can really say is that I absolutely loved this film and have been recommending and showing it to all my friends because it's worthy of being seen.

Unfortunately, due to its foreign film nature and apparent lack of American distribution, "Somersault" can be hard to find or find out about here in the states, where we are often too busy being distracted by tabloid magazines and flashy promotions for the new Ashton Kutcher / Jessica Simpson buddy cop action-adventure-horror-epic to know about wonderful gems like this one.

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the part of the movie where heidi arrives at the inn and walks in to meet her mother was shot down at my local shops. i didn't realise until i watched it a second time that it was though lol.

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Except it hasn't had 'mixed' reviews as you put it. It was received quite well overseas, it has a rating of 81% on RottenTomatoes which collects reviews from all the prominent critics (mostly from the US and UK). Like all popular artsy/indie movies though, there was a backlash, but that does not reflect the critical reception it got (ie. extremely positive).

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i personally love this film, it's one of my favorites and i'm from the states, long island new york specifically. the first time i saw it i was 16, just watched it again for the first time, 18 now. i find this film really fascinating. i personally like visuals, good music, and character pieces. i'm okay with not a lot of dialogue and action of a movie makes up for it with characters with emotional depth, and i think these one's were full of it. i'm brought to tears at multiple points within the movie, every time i see it. i can understand where a lot of people wouldn't like it though..i think it's more for people with a lot of empathy and aesthetic appreciation, and maybe *beep* up people too..being the only characters that the audience have to relate to are joe..who isn't much, mostly it's just heidi. whom not many people can relate to i guess?

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I very seldom watch a film more than once, but this one I had to see again.
I wasn't brought to tears (straight males don't cry), but there are some very sad moments in it. Don't you just want to shake Joe when she asks him, "Do you love me? Am I your girlfriend?" Hey, Joe, don't you see that she NEEDS you to day yes?? How can you respond the way you do?
As a guy I took away from this a warning that it is possible to miss a good thing by being noncommittal. At the end as she is leaving he starts to move toward her to hug her or whatever and she holds up a hand, basically saying, "It's too late now. You blew it."

I haven't read the other reviews so I don't know what was criticized, but it is true that the film would be SO much better if we had some backstory and character development for Heidi. As it is we just see a girl misbehaving, running away from home and being promiscuous with no understanding of why she is acting that way.

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Don't you just want to shake Joe when she asks him, "Do you love me? Am I your girlfriend?" Hey, Joe, don't you see that she NEEDS you to day yes?? How can you respond the way you do?

He had his own problems and couldn't allow himself a real relationship at this point. He was protecting himself as he was not that tough guy but very vunerable. The moment he admitted he was with Heidi his mates mocked him merciless and he's obviously not the guy to just shrug it off.

As a guy I took away from this a warning that it is possible to miss a good thing by being noncommittal.

That's a good insight, I hope it helps in the future. Often some words would help explain why somebody acts in a certain way.

I haven't read the other reviews so I don't know what was criticized, but it is true that the film would be SO much better if we had some backstory and character development for Heidi. As it is we just see a girl misbehaving, running away from home and being promiscuous with no understanding of why she is acting that way.

I think she was looking for comfort and couldn't think of another way. She tried to befriend Bianca but was rejected in the end, she never was allowed to explain what happened - or didn't happen.



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I very seldom watch a film more than once, but this one I had to see again.
I wasn't brought to tears (straight males don't cry), but there are some very sad moments in it. Don't you just want to shake Joe when she asks him, "Do you love me? Am I your girlfriend?" Hey, Joe, don't you see that she NEEDS you to day yes?? How can you respond the way you do?
As a guy I took away from this a warning that it is possible to miss a good thing by being noncommittal. At the end as she is leaving he starts to move toward her to hug her or whatever and she holds up a hand, basically saying, "It's too late now. You blew it."

I haven't read the other reviews so I don't know what was criticized, but it is true that the film would be SO much better if we had some backstory and character development for Heidi. As it is we just see a girl misbehaving, running away from home and being promiscuous with no understanding of why she is acting that way.

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A lot of Aussie movies are thin on plot and big on things like cinematography, character development, quality of acting and all that stuff which doesn't align with your typical Hollywood blockbuster type of film. So I guess it depends what reviews you're talking about...

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