In the scene when helene is cuping Rea and pierre is on the corner of the bed then she lifts her slip.. does it imply they have sex or that she wants him.. or is she just further teasing him and playing games?
Also was the film about just a damaged family whose own indulgendces destroy one another or is there something deeper.. I feel that Hansi really loved Pierre in the end and that he should have escaped the *beep* up games his mom was playing with her...
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no I am talking bout the scene later on when the go back to the house and rea and the mom are together and pierre is on the other side of the bed..
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Samuel101 wrote:
" Pierre and Rea make love it is not in a bed...it's on the floor of this club they go to"
No. It's just outside Yumbo shopping centre in Maspalomas. On the pavement.
It was just a tease, but both knew where all was leading (the dialogue, or to be moe precise, monologue of the mother when she leaves him alone makes that pretty clear).
There was actually physical contact between them on that scene, when the son is having sex with the girl, the mother is watching, half sleep, and he begins to kiss her leg while having sex with the girl.
I think you are missing the point about what the filem is all about.
The film, IMHO, is about a family whose members are completely unable to communicate with each other. Do you remember the scene where the father of Pierre is trying to explain how things are between him and Pierre's mother? You can see there is zero communication or empathy.
What you call indulgences, was the only way that mother and son found to communicate with each other. Sex and eroticism was the only thing the mother could understand to express her emotions, and misguidedly used them to show some kind of affection towards her son.
Pierre, longing for any affection from his mother, falls completely for this means of sentimental intimacy that will so obivouly damage him, having hinted earlier in the movie that pleasure was another way to get close to divinity.
The ending leaves no doubts in my opinion that he is completely destroyed (in more sense than one).
I don't think I could find much empathy for the mother, she destroys her son and seems to know she's doing it all the while. This movie was shocking at first, but after more thought it really just seems very sad. I think if I watch it again I may have a different opinion of it, but my fist gut reaction was to feel sick, not because of the sex, etc, but because I felt so bad for the son. Maybe that was the point.
I appreciate a movie being made that takes enourmous risks. For people who love film I think it is a good movie to see. I've heard the book is also very good, but I have not yet had a chance to read it.
I think the end of the movie reflects Pierre's evolution from a dour and unhappy youth, someone who is not enamoured with life, into someone who has discovered not only sex and perversion but also happiness and love. He explores his sexual desire for his mother (who, as the movie shows, was never a "real" mother to him in the first place) because he must explore this... his love for her is that deep - it is sexual and maternal...
His life has been boring, frustrating and pointless, devoid of spirituality and understanding because, as a youth, he hasn't really experienced anything. When he has sex with his mother, life opens up to him... He finds everything he has been looking for and exitential meaning finally enters his psyche. He masterbates because he is alive. He is pleasuring himself. He "feels" something more meaningful and intense than anything else he has felt before. His mother has made the ultimate sacrifice, even if her intentions may not have been to do so, by sleeping with him, fulfilling both of their desires, and showing him he is not wrong to want to have sex with her, not wrong to desire her.
This is Freudian and Oedipal, yes, and the end of the film is an affirmation of such desires which suggests that taboo and societal morals do nothing but inhibit us and, in the end, kill us. The mother is not only dead physically. Before she sleeps with her son she is dead emotionally, spiritually and sexually. She has been suffocated by a society which suggests she is "immoral" and "perverse." This is why she seeks out immoral and perverse sexual relationships as a woman who has become a mother (the father also desires the son but thats a whole other story). Her sacrifice in the end is to give her life to prove to her son that he is neither perverse nor immoral. That he is not wrong to have sexual feelings for her.
So, at the end of the film, when Pierre cries out that he wants to live, he reaffirms all that his mother has shown him. There is nothing psychologically wrong with him. There is nothing spiritually wrong with him. He is yelling to tell her that he understands what she was trying to show him.
It's easy to condemn this family and consider them "perverse," "dysfunctional" and "F'ed up" but when we do so, we are only falling prey to societal and cultural pressure which ultimately render us incapable of making decisions for ourself which may be right for us even if they are not right for others. This film believes, and imho rightly so, that theres is nothing wrong with sexual exploration of any kind as long as no one is forced to do something against their will (no one in this film ever does anything he or she doesn't consent to) and that even when one does something sexual that they regret, it is only a part of being alive and human. We should be able to explore, try new things, and participate in many diverse sexual situations in order to find our own path without shame, disgust or regret. Our only failing would be to continue in a seuxal existence that we know is not right for own psyches.
The French call an orgasm "a little death" (la petite morte - which I have probably misspelled) and sex and death are ultimately tied together. Sexual couplings between men and women can result in life (I kind of wish the film had ended with Hansi pregnant and Pierre a father) and through sex we can explore the ultimate in existence. Our bodies are designed and created for sex, in many ways, so to test our sexuality is to test our existence. To explore sexuality is to explore the meaning of life. Loulou's submission to masochism is a glaring example of a person testing their existence quite intesely. (In the deleted scene on the DVD, he leaves the sleeping Hnasi and Pierre and says, "Have you nothing dirtier for me to do?) His story at poolside of being sexually excited when being cut by a man who wants to "slaughter" him like a "pig" plays into the questions posed by the works of Sade and this film's source author Georges Bataille. Where does pain end and pleasure begin? This is one of the most obvious questions poised by existentialism. Screw "I think therefore I am;" the true ideal is: "I feel pain and pleasure therefore I am."
When Pierre screams, "I want to live" at the end of the film, he is saying even more than just that. He is saying, "I want to explore. I want to feel. I want to love. I want to think for myself. I don't want shame."
I've have seen the movie it looks interesting i wont to see it but from what i read about it just certain things i don't know is i could sit through it all the way i read somewhere that thier was Necrophilia somehwere in the movie i just wondeing if that was true or not
shareNot true. Not technically, in any case.
shareThere is also a question of which version of the film you watched.
In the USA, there was a "R" rated version available through a very large movie rental chain. Somewhere along the way, I vaguely remember having seen a fairly significantly different version, (probably the UNRATED version!), which was probably on one of the pay-cable channels. As I stated, I vaguely remember it with there being "mother's" kit of blades, which is one of the scenes not included in the "R" rated version; I also remember a different ending...
According to AMAZON, the unrated version is listed at 110 minutes. Does anyone have a copy of the "R" version handy and know its run time?
(Of course the run time of the two versions **could be** the same and still have differences in some scenes that would change the ratings.)