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did anyone else notice this huge mistake?


First off: I laughed a lot during this movie.
Because it's so incredibly stupid an badly made, in my opinion.

The king of all screw ups is this, who else noticed? (Or am I wrong)

SPOILER AHEAD

In the attempt to rescue the kidnapped children, Carolus gets himself killed. Nicolas is upset, and says: "Tomorrow we will have his funeral, and afterwards we will kill Dolf".

The next day, Carolus walks up to Dolf, alive and well. Just with a bandage around his head.

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It really IS Carolus, isn't it?
First I was thinking it was planned, but since no one mentioned him hanging around in a big crowd, seemed it's just an incredible mistake.

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The execution of Dolf is ordered because he is held responsible for Carolus death, and is to set place after the funeral.

Later in the film Carolus just walks around with a headwound. And this is the normal state.
Not a single person sees Carolus and yells: "He's alive! Let Dolf go, because Carolus isn't dead at all!"

My God, this is an unbelievable mistake! How is this possible, what a huge and incredibly stupid mistake.

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It's very stupid that no one in the crowd reacts, indeed. But the fact Carolus is alive is known for at least Anselmus and Nicolas and Thaddeus (who gives Carolus to drink), and that's the reason why Anselmus orders "to kill Dolf after dark", when no one notices.

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If Nicolas just pretends that Carolus is dead, he's a very good actor. He plays truly heartbroken!
And Nicolas isn't a bad guy, why would he lie?
Also, if it's all a plot, this isn't delivered very well. I, as an adult viewer, thought Carolus was dead. End of story.

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First, everybody thinks that Carolus is death or about to die, also Jenne shakes her head as if she gives up on him. That is when Nicolas burst out in tears. Only the last shot of the sequence (after Dolf is taken away), we see that Carolus gets (unexpected) out of his coma.

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I must have seen a cut up version, I didn't see Carolus wake up at all.
So, you gave a good reason, thanks.
But still, not a single person in the film reacts to Carolus being alive again. And there are how many kids around?....O yeah, over a thousand.
Bad bad mistake.

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>>> he execution of Dolf is ordered because he is held responsible for Carolus death, and is to set place after the funeral. <<<

I just watched this film. You are mistaken. Dolf is accused of heresy, not murder. Indeed, he is supposed to be tried after Carolus' funeral. I would interpret this that the trial was put off since Carolus was still alive, but the charge of heresy still stood.

Ultimately, such a charge could be pressed regardless of whether Carolus lived or died. He was charged because of his words to Anselmus.

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Wait. Wasn't Dolf supposed to be killed for heresy?

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As far as I can remember, Nicolas ordered Dolf to be executed for the death of Carolus, after Carolus' funeral.

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Carolus didn't actually die.. Nicholas just assumed (like everybody else) he was either dead or going to die real soon, and that's why he said they would kill Dolf after his funeral.

Random question: did they have clocks in 1212? Cause at the end of the movie, in the Genua town square there's a clock, is that right?

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I haven't seen the movie but you have no imagination. A movie doesn't have to fill in the blanks all the time.

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jeronavgd: so according to you they just assume he will be dead anytime now.
So, why doesn't anyone react when that very evening he's up and running?
It's just a huge stupid mistake.
They should correct it on the dvd version.

And you're right, it is possible there were no clocks in 1212. But those are factual errors I can't be bothered with when I'm watching a movie.
If there'd be someone wearing Nikes, THAT would be a problem. :-)

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First of all, clocks like that were made in Europe in the late 13th century, early 14th century, so the clock we see in the movie is in a certain way an anachronism, but not a very big one. I mean, the story is set in 1212, not in 1212 B.C. :-)
Second, I watched the movie today and don't really understand what the commotion about Carolus is about. This is how I see it:
- they rescue the kidnapped kids
- Carolus gets wounded really bad, but he doesn't die. Maybe he looks dead, but even Rolf knows he is still alive, otherwise he wouldn't say: : 'He can not die.' (or something like that)
- Nicolas is very upset, one thing leads to another and Rolf gets arrested. Since it looks like Carolus can die any moment, Nicolas orders that as soon Carolus is dead and burried, Rolf will get what he deserves. Till that moment he is a prisoner. We see, however, that there's still some life in poor Carolus: he makes an effort to drink something.
- Then the crusade moves along, with Carolus being transported in some kind of cart and with Jenne at his side to look after him.
- When they make camp, Carolus is being taken care of in the main tent. Meanwhile, Dolf is still a prisoner. The evil father Anselmus, who never liked Dolf anyway, has not the patience to wait till Carolus is finally dead; he wants to kill Dolf right now- and he has his reasons for that.
- When it's dark, the mean helpers of Anselmus- whose names I absolutely don't remember- get the order to take care of Dolf. They untie him and throw him on the ground; they want to make it look like he was trying to escape, in which case they would have the right to kill him.
- Dolf is fighting back, without much effort, but then he gets help from friends who suddenly appear: Jenne and, yes, Carolus. He is obviously feeling better now. Although he doesn't look entirely recovered, my guess is that Jenne somehow knew that Dolf was going to need all the help he could get, so she must have persuaded the still weak (but strong enough to help) Carolus to come with her. Hey, Dolf once saved his life, so I think Carolus really wanted to help.
- Why the whole camp isn't celebrating the fact that Carolus is standing on his feet again? Well, it's late in the evening -it might even be night- so most of the children are asleep. I'm sure Dolf is very happy to see his friend again, but there isn't really much time to celebrate his recovery, since there is an evil conspiracy to unrafel. They immediately start to interrogate -if that's how you want to call it- one of Anselmus' helpers.
- I'm sure that the morning after lots of kids are surprised to see Carolus walk around again, but since this is the big day they have all been waiting for,
( Nicolas is going to lead them through the sea ), I think most of them have other things on their mind. We don't really see how they react on him, since the story takes us almost directly to Nicolas' Moses-act. And we know how that ends..

So, in my opinion, I don't think the makers of this movie made a huge mistake.
Maybe they could have explained some things better to avoid misunderstandings.

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>Maybe they could have explained some things better to avoid misunderstandings
Only someone who wasn't watching at the screen would have missed all explanation that is already there.

- Carolus runs into a tree, and is left unconscious. Dolf takes him back to the camp;
- He lays down the body, which is still breathing, Dolf blames himself (but not for the dead, he speaks in future tense, worried that Carolus will not make it) and finds comfort with Jenna;
- Thaddeus arrives who treats Carolus, who is seen sitting upright;
- Nicholas arrives. Initially he cares for the condition of Carolus, but this changes, when he sees Dolf and Jenna kissing;
- Nicholas steps away from the body of Carolus and claims he is dead, and that Dolf is to blame. He is in fact spreading a rumor;
- Anselmus wants Dolf killed for heresy (having a big mouth) and Nicholas says that he will be killed after the funeral of Carolus;
- To clearly state that Carolus did in fact not die in the meantime, the audience sees how Thaddeus, away from the small crowd who heard Nicholas' rumor, requests a bowl of water and the non-dead Carolus drinks from the bowl;
- Nicholas takes Carolus to his camp, open for all to see, as a sick boy, not a dead boy.

Only a small amount of children, for a short time, believed that Carolus would not make it, or did not make it. So there is no reason why thousands of kids would react to Carolus being alive at the camp or on the beaches of Genua.

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YOU are the one making the mistake.

Carolus does not die. Dolph says, "He's gonna live. I'm telling you he's gonna live." This indicates that Carolus is still alive, just seriously wounded and not expected to survive.

As Nicholas walks up the hill to confront Dolph we see someone holding a bowl to Carolus's mouth trying to get him to drink. Something they would not be doing were he dead.

Nicholas then attacks Dolph saying, "You killed him. It's your fault!" Again Nicholas does not expect Carolus to survive.

Once Dolph is arrested we see Carolus again. He moans (which means he is ALIVE) and someone motions for the bowl and he drinks from it.

Next we see Carolus in a wagon with Nicholas and the female lead attending to him. Again, he is clearly ALIVE.

Next we see Carolus in the tent being sponged down, awake and breathing and ALIVE.

It is Carolus who uses his crossbow to kill the boy who is about to spear Dolph. After he shoots the boy, Carolus staggers against a pillar, still weak from his injury.

There is no doubt that Carolus never dies and the filmmakers make that perfectly clear. How you could have possibly missed all those scenes of Carolus alive is beyond my understanding. But the mistake is YOURS, not the makers of this film.

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Calm down now, it is a really good book by Thea Beckmann who is really good in making believable plots. The movie is always shorter, less deep, less details. So a bunch of not medically trained children thought Carolus was dead, but he only was unconscious. Not a huge mistake if you ask me.

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Anybody here smoking hemp?

Nothing is more beautiful than nothing.

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No, I didn't notice. I was too busy enjoying an awesome movie.




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I grow WEARY of snerts like WEARY76 who pretend that a perfect movie exists.

This was one stupendous historical fantasy. Enjoy it or suffer alone.

Enrique Sanchez

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