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What did this show prove?


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That nice guys always finish last?

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That women (at least Marlena(sp?)) will pick a retard that has no future, no goals, and no income because he is good looking. Over someone that would have been perfect for her.

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But really I thought the point of the show was to see if a beauty queen could fall in love with some regular guy. Is NBC now saying: Nope sorry they can't... all you average people will never get a beauty queen? Not the best message to be sending out.

Basically all I thought this show proved was what everyone already knew, and what was mentioned above... Nice guys finish last, and looks beat out personality.

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Yeah... The First time I watched it was the one when they brought in the good looking guys.... I thought it was dumb... but couldn't stop watching it... Ihad hoped she wouldn't be shallow.... Oh well... I don't plan on watching it again.

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I agree with you that saying he has no goals is a little harsh. However, when he's 27 and living with his parents working as a waiter and still in College, I question whether or not he has a future. Adam is the same age, I think he's done quite well for himself. I moved out of my parents house when I was 17.... It's just my perspective I guess....

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"That women (at least Marlena(sp?)) will pick a retard that has no future, no goals, and no income because he is good looking. Over someone that would have been perfect for her."

Men do it to!



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ME DURING SEX ED: It goes in where?!

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I never said they didn't. I totally agree with you. But what I was saying was what this show proved. On "Average Jane" it would prove that men would do the same.

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That women (at least Marlena(sp?)) will pick a retard that has no future, no goals, and no income because he is good looking. Over someone that would have been perfect for her.


That's not always true, but in this case, it is.

She was crying when she had to send 4 of the "joes" home, then those musclehead jock guys show up, and she's all smiling and getting wet in her pants, and completely forgets about the remaining "joes".

Freakin funny.

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Yeah that's such an "eye opener" isn't it? LOL
That people would rather be around attractive people than unattractive people.
Duh

We learned that in kindergarten. I never believed that crap about "be yourself and everyone will like you."

Even being a millionaire is less appealing than being good looking. But maybe Adam can take his money and go buy a good plastic surgeon.

Now THAT would make for a good show.

A couple years from now after he has been transformed into a handsome hunk he should come back and throw everything back in that whore's face.

:-)


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It shows that our society has some really f'd up values. I hope though, that it is mainly the moron producers of junk like this and the people like Malena they get to do this who are the shallow ones. I hope that most of our country doesn't think like this, but who knows?

I say boycott Average Joe 2 America!


"I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes!" - Dark Helmet

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It reaffirmed that if you are good looking things are much easier.

Had Malena been an Average Jane, she might have picked Adam. But given she is attractive, I am not surporised.

--GenFX

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I did not have the time, or the urge, to watch this show, but I caught a few moments here and there during its run. From the moment I heard about it I knew it was an atrocious idea, but was not surprised seeing where television has ventured these days (Paris Hilton and Master P have their own reality TV shows?!). Living in South Florida, AKA Hell, I have pretty much given up on dating until I can move to another part of the country, as nearly 99% of all women down here are self-absorbed, ignorant, uneducated (until it comes to fashion), immature, and more plastic than a Barbie doll. I always hoped that when I moved to another part of the country I could find a nice, intelligent, well-read, wholesome, attractive girl with a great sense of humor, etc etc. Well, this show (as well as others) has really caused me to fear that women across the country are like this, after all, this girl was from Kansas City, which is not nearly as notoriously superficial as L.A. or Miami. On another note, how in the world does a person get rid of Tareq Kabir? He is a 21-year-old college professor with a doctoral degree! The fact that a 21 year old has a PhD is nearly unheard of! Maybe it’s just me, but if I were a female, I would rather date a man who is exceptionally intelligent and motivated, over a man who is a dumb jock but "cool" or a guy who only relies solely on his good looks to get by. By the way, the final choice came down to a "nerd" who was a millionaire and a "hunk" that wasn't even that good looking? OK, so the choice is a lot of money or looks; in my opinion both are disgustingly superficial and materialistic, which I thought was the whole premise of the show, finding out if a beauty would choose an “Average Joe“, not a “Joe Millionaire” or a “Bachelor“.

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Send Tareq my way!

lol
i love a guy with a brain.

he's 21?=-O
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ME DURING SEX ED: It goes in where?!

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Yeah.

And I have a brain. Not quite Tareq, but my two bachelors degrees and near-Masters have some weight to them. Unfortunately, I'm a bit of an overgrown nerd so I suppose if "Average Joe" teaches me anything it's that I'm pretty much screwed. Most of the women I'm around are not only very very attractive, but also generally almost-as-educated. If beauty is too much for an average guy, imagine what beauty and brains will do to his(/my) chances.

I'm getting close to boycotting NBC too. I already tend to ignore Fox for cancelling Futurama in favour of an extra timeslot for more Malcolm reruns. Might as well make it two networks

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I'm not American.

Many places in British Columbia, Canada, where I am, fit that bill. By a considerable margin not all of them, but I won't give you a full list (too much space). And it's best to avoid places with too many bars or clubs, in favour of say University or college communities. Near UBC, UVic, or UNBC for instance.

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Go Canada!

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Well, in defense of Melana's decision to reject Tareq, he WAS acting ultra-childish in that stupid little golf tournament that was set up between him and the other guy. On the golf links he acted like a little horse's ass, so I can't totally blame Melana for giving him the boot. Also, the guy was just way too "way out there", intellect-wise... I think the golf-game temper tantrum that Tareq threw gave Melana the "easy out" - she must have realized that in any relationship with him - real or imaginary - the two of them would have soon been on totally different mental frequencies. (I seriously doubt that, in reality, there could have ever really been a mutually satisfying conversation between the two of them!)... So I can't totally blame her for her decision.

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I think all this show proves is that if you're an intelligent nerd, and you want to meet a really shallow dimwit, you go on a reality dating show.

If you're an intelligent nerd, and you get rejected by the shallow dimwit, chances are the editing of the show will make you irresistible to any thinking woman, regardless of how she looks - and they will be beating your door down. I've heard from someone who knows him that he's not hurting for quality (and I mean quality, a lot better than her) companionship these days.

He's too good for her. He'll find someone who is his equal, and not his inferior.

"The Master would not approve." - Torgo

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in this new average joe hawaii i have a question about larissa. she was crowned Miss Missouri a short while ago and is very good looking. Why does she need help finding a guy, she cant on her own. most models and beauty queens have guys always hunting them down. Maybe it was just for popularity, she wanted to be rocognized

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this was just the decision of Melana - one women. U cant say what did this show prove becuase it was just some dumb bimbo's opinion. To see what this show really proved you should have a national pole and see who would they had picked. My guess would be 60 to 40 the average guy

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These are obviously substandard guys who can't get a date that are complaining here. Thats your fault, don't blame it on women. If Melana had picked the other guy you'd all be complaining about money meaning too much to women.

"That still only counts as one"

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1) You are blaming people for the way they look by saying it's their "fault"? Remember that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and that many of the "substandard" guys in this show (maybe on this board too) generally have good or exceptional qualities other than looks. Unfortunately, looks won out again and your trying to say "don't blame it on women" even in the face of the fact that the choice ultimately comes down to women. Do I need to tell you how childish and ignorant your reasoning sounds?

2) Money would at least make a more respectable choice than good looks. At least money can give a woman security, peace of mind, stuff, whatever, but good looks, what does it get you? Don't tell me a better looking child, unless your looking to have children with every person you have sex with. Nope, good looks is only good for a night or two, and that just proves it too be even more shallow/selfish for the fact that there's even less of a reason to desire it so much.

3) I realize this post is late, but it's more for the reading pleasure of those who happen to have come across this board. And, sorry, but I don't think this one will be deleted by administrator.

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It's not surprising, Kimberwyn, that you would defend the woman on "Average Joe".
Imagine yourself as the successful, final contestant on a fictional, "Average Jane" reality-television show. Then three, beauty queens show up and your handsome bachelor has to choose between keeping you or one of the beauty queens.
Kimberwyn, how would you feel, if on national television, in front of millions of viewers, in front of your parents, relatives, and girlfriends, had the handsome bachelor ditched you and instead selected one of the beauty queens? We all know that being dumped and humiliated can be emotionally traumatic for women. It's wise that the show's producers did not contemplate an "Average Jane" reality tv show. Having to deal with potential suicides of humiliated average Janes and the resulting costly litigation from surviving parents and relatives would have been astronomical.

This show was a demeaning, deceptive, and cynically cruel reality illusion. The show's producers knew what they were doing. They were cynical enough to anticipate that the young women they choose would ultimately select a handsome hunk over the average Joe. Why they chose to add that final, cruel, unnecessary element is anyone's guess. They assumed that we viewers are shallow and cruel enough to enjoy watching innocent people get hurt and humiliated on national television.

I don't know if you're an attractive or average looking woman. But if you're the latter, come on, you understand reality. Attractive people are going to almost always choose another attractive person. Women are no different than men. And for women, the choice of a beefy, hunky stud might actually be behaviorially ingrained in their genes on a primal, subconscious level dating back to Paleothic times. A strong, muscular man ensured a woman's survival in an environment filled with large dangerous predators. 12,000 years ago there was 101 ways to die out on the North American continent. One's worst Hansel-and-Gretal nightmares roamed throughout the continent. Large, sabre-toothed cats (smilodon fatalis); short-faced giant bear (ursus arctodus); large dire wolves (lupus caninus dirus); the large American lion (felinus panthere); all combined to genetically shape today's women's mating behavior. Nice guys finish last because they easily become sabre-toothed cat food. Nasty, brutish, muscular hunks are the choice of mate because they can defend you and sire similarly strong offspring.

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Larissa and Melana must spend tons of time and money to keep themselves beautiful and an average joe probably spends little time on his looks. If average joes want beautiful women, they must get their queer eye makeovers done and they have to maintain it, that way they can afford to be picky with who they go out with!

Does that make any sense???

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Well, I too have problems approaching guys that at least comb their hair!

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yeah, i have that problem.
but its true melana didnt kiss Adem properly untill she found out how rich he was, there was obviusly no chemistry there on 'her' behalf, and she only kept an average Joe in till the end to prove she wasnt shaLLOW.

personly i reckon Adam was to good for her, throw him my way any time.

but i'm a qualified geek, so now im worried...'r men just as shallow?'

Wherever, whatever, have a nice day...

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It proves that stupid models like good looking guys without brains or heart.

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on a personal level i felt offended by Average Joe. This show is the story of my life, im 19, i've been hanuted by this since i started high school, only 2 credits i have to life is i have had 1 girlfriend, ive been kissed, and im not a virgin. But as of today (1/3/05) i cannot remember when i was kissed last (i dont ever recollect getting kissed in 2004), its been a real long time since ive had a girlfriend, its pathetic. And im no rude inconsiderate slob, im not shallow, i dont refer to women as a bitch or a hoe or a slut, but what good has it done for me?

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You are not the only one in this boat. In my case it was for a much longer time. I felt this way when I was in my middle and late 20s. Back then I was an Average Joe (still am). I went a long time without a girlfriend or being kissed (almost 5 years). That did change shortly after I turned 29 (the flip side of my situation the years before). Married two years later (divorced five after that), and married again (in six weeks I will be celebrating my fourth wedding anniversary).

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