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I had to watch this in one of my class's and I have to say this wasnt a good movie. Yea the story is amazing and im not saying what they did is stupid or bad. But the movie is over dramatic and not well shot. Everything was in slow motion and everything shot was over dramatic to give it a sad tone like playing classical music at every possible point in the movie. Like when people talk or just showing the American flag and at other none dramatic point there is always classical music playing. An example of this is when the Train they get just comes and the teachers get into the car and look at it. Its in slow motion and the whole time they barely movie a foot or two with the classical music in the backround. This movie good have been good with a different director.

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This is a video that has no reason to be made. There is no outside conflict, nothing that anyone could argue with, nothing to be learned other than maybe there are some students in the South who glean an understanding of what happened in the Holocaust, something that most people should have caught on to without a teacher's guidance. And although that is quite a feat, what does this film tell us about how we may have learned from the Holocaust? Genocide continues to happen in Sudan, Sierra Leone, and widespread civilian Muslim slaughter in Iraq. In forty or fifty years will there be another group of priviledged southern teens experiencing the same thing about a different group of people? This video isn't so much a documentary as it is a "feel-good" after school special, designed to be as forgettable as it was emotive.
What was really learned by these students?


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"will there be another group of priviledged southern teens..."

It's obvious that you didn't see the film.

While by no means a particularly well produced documentary, the story of this segregated Appalachian community's exposure to a totally foreign culture and history contained genuine revelation and pathos. I'm not sure where you got your criteria for what justifies a documentary being made (There is no outside conflict, nothing that anyone could argue with, nothing to be learned...) but it is incorrect. As far as there being nothing to be learned, just as the teachers and the students in the film discovered, there is a world of ignorance and seclusion that can be countered through education and enlightenment. The students and teachers in the film learned to open up their minds to individual and collective experiences of totally foreign cultures and histories. They learned tolerance, understanding and compassion and they learned it not from books but from direct contact with the survivors who lived the history. Sure, it's a small more personal revelation, but it's a revelation nonetheless.

Watch the film. Maybe you'll learn something.

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Kane, I am in agreement with you.

"will there be another group of priviledged southern teens..."

It is very obvious that this film was not watched. I don't think I would call a single one of these kids "priviledged" and there is much that can be gotten from this film. The teachers and administration members are the adults of the documentary and they do not deny that they judge too quickly or stereotype others. If anything, this is what the documentary was about.

Now after saying that, I am also in agreement with the first two posters who said that the film is "nothing special." Other than the very important subject matter at the heart of this documentary, there is nothing that sets it apart as an excellent film. It is not an award-winning piece and it did seem rather amateurish.

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I cannot believe this! Whitwell is not in Appalachia!!!!!!!!! Talk about people not understanding others!!!!!!! I have to agree with everybody else and say that it was a touching story, however, it also helped stereotype southerners as inbred, redneck, white trash lacking a sufficient education! I grew up not even fifty miles from this place, and I can assure you that most people in the south fully understand the severity of the holocaust and wear shoes! Also, I would like to know how a town with few minorities can be considered segregated? It's not like there are "white" restrooms in the local diner! There just aren't many other races who want to live there! Off the subject for a second, did anyone else realize that the director's last name is Berlin, talk about irony. This film does not represent the majority of people in the south. I could go on and on about all the things wrong with this documentary, but the internet isn't big enough. Please do not judge all southerners based on this film. Yes, we do have some people who can be considered uneducated, but so does the rest of the world.

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I cannot believe this! Whitwell is not in Appalachia!!!!!!!!! Talk about people not understanding others!!!!!!! I have to agree with everybody else and say that it was a touching story, however, it also helped stereotype southerners as inbred, redneck, white trash lacking a sufficient education! I grew up not even fifty miles from this place, and I can assure you that most people in the south fully understand the severity of the holocaust and wear shoes! Also, I would like to know how a town with few minorities can be considered segregated? It's not like there are "white" restrooms in the local diner! There just aren't many other races who want to live there! Off the subject for a second, did anyone else realize that the director's last name is Berlin, talk about irony. This film does not represent the majority of people in the south. I could go on and on about all the things wrong with this documentary, but the internet isn't big enough. Please do not judge all southerners based on this film. Yes, we do have some people who can be considered uneducated, but so does the rest of the world.

Wow. You have quite a chip on your shoulder.

Do you know what the Appalachian region of the U.S. is? Check out this map on Wikipedia and you’ll see that Whitwell falls within Appalachia, as described in the film.
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachia

Why would you think that people would look at Whitwell and conclude that all southerners were ” inbred, redneck, white trash lacking a sufficient education ? I thought the people of Whitwell were refreshingly honest and genuine about the townspeople’s strengths and weakness as a community . You seem to be embarrassed by it.

You need to do some reading. The word segregate is not a political term. It means separate or isolated. The word was used to describe the town itself, not the people within it. Nobody said Whitwell was a racially segregated community.

I know a lot of people from Tennessee, mostly living in more urban areas. While most “wear shoes”, as you say, I have met people in Nashville and Memphis who have told me they’ve never met a Jew. (Not realizing at the time they were talking to one.) Although I’m sure they’ve met Jews and didn’t realize it, the fact is that by far the majority of American Jews live in Northern cities. That segregation of the population leads to unfamiliarity and ignorance of the culture, which is totally understandable. The people of Whitwell decided to do something about it. They accepted the fact that they needed further education and enlightenment on the topic and acted upon it. I admire that effort. You should be proud of that effort, not ashamed by it.

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No reason for the movie to be made??? Ludicrous!

Not well produced??? By what standard? Who says, and based on what expertise? I'm personal friends with a multi-Emmy award winning producer of documentaries, and he was completely awed by this movie. The production values, the editing, many aspects of the piece were simply outstanding.

The very fact that so many people posting in response to this movie have made the comments they have made is irrefutable evidence that the film cried out to be made.

The fact that several people have responded here that the movie was "too" sad, set too sad a tone, had classical music, played on the emotions, etc. is evidence it HAD to be made. Its statements HAD to come forth for a new generation of Americans. We in the US have NO WAY to being to IMAGINE the trauma, the unspeakable sadness and anguish, that those people endured. And we have the audacity to say a movie about it made US too sad?? Or it was too emotional?? If every one of us wept and sobbed out loud till our eyes and throats hurt for the entire movie, we still have NO idea of what those people endured.

So we cry a few tears, get a lump in our throats, and resent that?

We should beg for forgiveness... and understanding.

And do what the kids in the movie WILL UNDOUBTEDLY do: tell their children, and grandchildren, and great-grandchildren in such a forceful way that this piece of history can never be repeated.

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"something that most people should have caught on to without a teacher's guidance."

I teach in a tiny southern community, and let me tell you, if we don't teach this consistently, it will continue to happen. Most of the students that I teach have never been out of the state, some may never leave this community, and their families have been here since the early 19th century. They stay where they are comfortable, with their own books, music, and movies, never having the motivation to go outside of their own world. There are no Jewish people here. So how are they supposed to learn if they are never shown what is out there? Children don't "catch on" like you imply, they have to be shown every avenue. What was learned by these students? They connected with a group of extraordinary survivors, who in turned connected with the students. If this project had not happened, these students would have continued their adult lives in this isolation.

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teach in a tiny southern community, and let me tell you, if we don't teach this consistently, it will continue to happen. Most of the students that I teach have never been out of the state, some may never leave this community, and their families have been here since the early 19th century. They stay where they are comfortable, with their own books, music, and movies, never having the motivation to go outside of their own world. There are no Jewish people here. So how are they supposed to learn if they are never shown what is out there? Children don't "catch on" like you imply, they have to be shown every avenue. What was learned by these students? They connected with a group of extraordinary survivors, who in turned connected with the students. If this project had not happened, these students would have continued their adult lives in this isolation.




Eloquently put. It sounds like you’re doing good work. You should be proud.

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Do you also teach them about what is going on TODAY?
about 600,000 innocent people dying in Iraq by the US?
or how about the living conditions of people living in Gaza and West Bank?


why not try and teach about the on going bad things that are going on RIGHT NOW?

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Yes, we do teach them about things that are going on today. But the purpose of teaching history is to understand the root of the problems happening today.

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It is difficult for me to believe some of the comments I am reading about this movie. Given some of the stereotypes and prejudices voiced here, it is obvious that the message of the work was either over the heads of some who watched it, or they chose, for whatever reason, not to pay very close attention to it.

It is not a "movie" to entertain you. It is not a movie to make you laugh - at least directly, like a teen love movie or a comedy. This is a movie made to both inform and to require some serious thinking. It certainly did that.

If you think the movie was "over dramatic" perhaps the depth of your experiences yet in life do not allow you the depth of understand or perception necessary to understand how VERY UNDERSTATED the dramatics or emotionalism of the movie actually were. It is beyond me how a viewer could expect a movie commemorating the Holocaust to not set a sad tone. It is a brief review of one of the saddest times in the entirety of human history. And a documentary is supposed to convey at least a part of the true feeling about its subject material. How is it a movie about this could not have some moments that set a sad tone. Part of the power of this documentary is the very sadness of that which it commemorates. It MUST be sad so we can remember that we can never allow it to be repeated. Do you really think the meaning of what the kids were trying to commemorate would have come through had the music been hip-hop and the tone of the movie all laugh-y and happy?!

There were happy themes in the movie, however. But of course, one would have to have paid attention to the whole movie. Even through tears, there were moments of supreme happiness, such as when one Holocaust survivor talked of the hope of life and the future personified in the young folks who did this project, and how the world would be better because they UNDERSTOOD the sadness, and would help see to it that such would never be repeated.

Wasn't a good movie, my eye!

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My wife and I just watched the movie last night. We were moved to tears several times during the viewing . Awestruck by the reality of what the kids accomplished. And amazed at the lasting effect that the museum is having on young people who visit it.

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I showed this movie to my PRIVILAGED predominantly white 12th grade classes this year. For those of you that don't remember being 17 or 18 or have a child that age in your life, finding teaching materials that spark a feeling of empathy is a daunting task. I've also shown Schindler's List, as the district requires it. These are children with new cars and trust funds. The holocaust and intolerance are a different world that they can not accept as anything more than a past that has no direct connection to their own lives.

These children are good people for the most part but they have more important things (to their thinking) in their lives senior year than the deaths of eleven million people they will never meet. People are planning prom, graduation, and college. They are looking toward their futures not the past of unknown people long dead.

I showed the film over a special two period span of time to the entire 12th grade of my school. At the end we had a special guest, Irene Bolien, a survivor of the Holocaust. She was six when she arrived at Bergen-Belsen and ten when the camp was liberated. She was a camp pet, she told my students had she reached her eleventh birthday she would have been gassed, as the appeal of an 11 year old wasn't the same as a younger child. In 2000 she sent nine paper clips to the Paper Clip project after hearing about it from her Rabbi. Her mother, father, four brothers, her mother’s parents, and her unborn brother or sister walked to the left. I had students wonder if her paper clips are stored in the railroad car in TN. I had students wonder and that makes this movie a powerful film.

I had students that cried, students that I honestly felt were self involved and unable to put themselves into another’s shoes. This film is a life lesson, if it is found to be schmaltzy that is in the eye of the beholder. I had students that asked what kind of people kill children and we had an open dialogue about evil and how it isn't always found in the hearts of men like Hitler or Dr. Josef Mengele, it can be found in anyone that refuses to speak out for their neighbors.

I had students write a paper on their own family and compare their family members with the criteria that would have sent them to the left or the right. I had one student who was rude and often very crass tell me “My mother has epilepsy, she would have gone to the left and I would have gone with her.” I cried. I admit that. And no one made fun of his remark, not a single person because many thought the same thing, myself included. Where my family went I would fight to go.

I could accept this film to be called over dramatic or amateurish, but it is not a bad film. There are far too many pieces of Hollywood fluff that deserve that title, a movie like this doesn't.

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none of that makes it a "bad movie," the message is paramount and this documentary carries an incredibly inspirational message\

another similar project that will surprise and inspire you is...
New York Students Discover Death Train from WWII Germany at
http://holokauston.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/new-york-students-discover -death-train-from-wwii-germany

check it out!
chris
http://holokauston.wordpress.com

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