I thought the movie was great, and so were some of the erotic episodes, but they never really do the nasty, and not that I need graphic sex for every love story, but after all the oral and heavy petting, I need to see these characters consummate their relationship. It just felt like that was missing, both visually and for reinforcing the depth of the players.
sharebut they never really do the nasty,
Uh... To "imply" does not mean to "illustrate," hence my point. They never really do the nasty ON SCREEN. You know, the title of my post?
shareYou see them simulating oral. That counts as "on-screen", to me. If you're looking for something more graphic in a mainstream film, then you've given this far too much thought.
It's made from bits of real panther, so you know it's good...
Yea... again, my original post concedes the simulated oral sex, and again, my point is that I did not need graphic sex, or gratuitous eroticism. I just would have liked to have seen the two characters consumate the love story for the audience. I could have done without the oral scene all together, but I when I think of a love story, I think of sex, and when I think of tasteful sex scenes, I think the most tasteful ones are the ones truest to the characters.
I think some of the best love scenes are the least graphic. But when I'm watching a movie about two people who want to kill each other, I expect to at least see a fist-fight. Is it too much then, to ask that I be entertained in the same way during a love story?
I'll stop overthinking it when you actually start reading my posts and stop being a boring contrarist.
... but you did see sex. The 'graphicness' of it is irrelevant, as far as I'm concerned. It was on-screen. So I guess I just don't understand your motives.
Read your posts many times - still don't understand your feelings. It's that simple. It's OK though, because neither do I care to understand, so nothing would please me more than if we can just drop this now, and then I don't have to irritate and bore you by asking that you explain yourself better.
It's made from bits of real panther, so you know it's good...
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I would have liked to have seen the male charcter penetrating the female character, and the female character being penetrated by the male character, as this is one of the closest incidents in which a man and woman can be together physically and spiritually. No genetalia or nudity would be required from my request, merely a close up the actor's faces for a few brief moments, as I am interested on how the character's interaction in that particular circumstance might have played out, and also the actor's interpretation of said interaction.
In summation, the characters "making love" would have greatly supplemented the characters and the plot of the "love story, more so that the brief, intimation of oral sex that was included in the motion picture.
Thank you for remaining seated. This has only been a test. Had we really experienced the mind-numbing futility, and back-breaking attempts explaining the obvious on the internet, instructions for evacuation and shelter would appear below the text....
Hey, I offered you the chance to drop it, 'droppo'... but you obviously like the idea of a one-sided dialogue as much as you like 'the interpretation of character interaction', so...
You want to see the actors making sex faces. I get it. It's still weird, no matter how elaborate the language you employ to dress up your little kink.
... and you don't count oral sex as "making love"?! Clinton, is that you... ? Were you just irked by the fact that there were no cigars there, either?
It's made from bits of real panther, so you know it's good...
Oh, how benevolent of you to offer me the chance to "drop" the point of my own thresd.
You obviously have some hang-ups or you are a child. Either way, if you're intimitated by frank discussion, honest opinnions, "weird, icky" sex talk, or my vocabulary, then the "High School Muscical 3" board is just a click away...
Now that's a love story you can really sink your teeth into!
I offered you the chance to 'drop' it with me. Go on to have an 'enlightening' discussion with someone else about this on this very same page, if that's what you're after. I just won't be here. For as long as you keep attempting to 'bait' me, though, then I'm going to keep responding. Call it masochism, if you wish.
Frank discussion won't repel me, neither will honest opinions (at least, ones I can understand... ) Sex talk counts as 'frank'... except we aren't talking about sex - we're talking about simulation, or "pulling funny faces", as it actually boils down to. I just can't for the life of me comprehend what this would add. So sue me if we aren't on the same wavelength.
Despite what you may think, I'm happy to be on this board, thanks. I've never seen a High School Musical film, and I don't plan to, either!
... and I'm still not ashamed to admit that I don't 'get' why oral sex doesn't count as lovemaking. Let's face it, if it didn't work as a justification for the aforementioned Mr. Clinton, then I have my doubts about it working for you either.
This has entertained me in its own way despite itself, though. So if you want to keep it going, then , I'll be here. Otherwise, perhaps you can find the general accord that you're seeking with someone else.
It's made from bits of real panther, so you know it's good...
So you still don't understand my opinion... Hmmm. I don't know, you want to try Google translator or something?
Maybe I ask you a question so we move closer to a common ground here.
Why do you think sex scenes in movies exist at all, assuming of course that you have seen one? Why do you think film-makers bother to interpret them, shoot them, and include them in the works they present?
Have you ever seen a very powerful, moving love scene, or well performed one that added to the intensity of the plot, the quality of the characters, or served as symbolic in the conveyance of the theme?
Do you think the works of D.H. Lawrence, T.S Eliot, William Faulkner, Neil Simon, Sidney Lumet, Adrian Lyne, etc... would be just as well without the sex?
How about the violence? How about any of the ways in which humans emote or connect with one another in a story? I think somehow you have confused "graphic" with "gratuitous."
So, once again, and hopefully for the last time, do you undestand that my opinion of this particular film was very good, but could have been improved upon by a "better" scene of sexual interaction, and that that statement is no more or less valuable than that of any other aspect of any other film. Are you arguing with other posters on other boards who say that there could've been a better fight scene, a victory scene, a murder scene, an epiphany scene, a conflict resolution scene... etc?
Would Jaws be just as good of a film if Quint and Hooper didn't "bond" during the Indianapolis scene below deck? Was I more horrified at special effects when Quint was eaten by the shark becuase I liked his character more after that scene, or was it all the blood and special effects?
So when Casim adn Roisin don't "bond" adequately enough for my taste earlier in A Fond Kiss, the fight and break-up scenes don't seem as intense or as powerful as they could have been, to me, the viewer.
Sex scenes can work very well depending on dialogue, music cues, lighting, blocking etc... None of which elements you had previously mentioned. If you wanted a whole other scene written dealing further with the bonding of the two characters, then say that. I just don't see how implied penetration on its own (which is what you seem to be pulling for... ) would make up for any shortcomings there might be. 'Tenderness' is about intimacy, sure - but intimacy doesn't have to be the sum total of who stuffed which body part into what orifice. That's pretty inconsequential to me unless I happen to be involved in the process for real! It becomes doubly so when you wouldn't actually see such things happen anyway, and you're supposed to imagine them. I don't think that you necessarily have to 'enter' someone to demonstrate your love for them.
In other words, it's the mood - not the 'minutes of the meeting' - which I think counts!
"Graphic" kind of is "gratuitous". I don't want this to sound like I'm arguing against nudity or for censorship, because I'm not, but when you think about how filmmakers from the 'Hayes Code' era dealt with certain subject matter you see that they were quite able to convey their meaning without ever being 'obvious'. Both leads could walk around naked for the entire film and I wouldn't object (it would certainly give me something nice to look at, in the case of Eva Birthisle!) but would more nudity intensify the emotion felt? Not for me.
I've always understood the point you were getting at, but I've never been able to relate to it or agree with it, and that's still the case.
... and this absolute insistence you have in claiming that oral sex isn't lovemaking is just weird to me, as well. You still haven't addressed that one, yet!
It's made from bits of real panther, so you know it's good...
I thought the movie was great, and so were some of the erotic episodes, but they never really do the nasty, and not that I need graphic sex for every love story, but after all the oral and heavy petting, I need to see these characters consummate their relationship. It just felt like that was missing, both visually and for reinforcing the depth of the players.
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