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what agwaan?

posted 19 years ago by rtpHarry
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after watching the film i thought that overall it was a good thing that this film did not make it to the mainstream. with more and more films riding the micheal moore style bandwagon the genre will increasingly loose its impact to audiences.

after reading this message board im wondering if anyone could do the job better because even a simple discussion seems to break down to man-boy style bitching at each between members the left and the right.

i've recently abandoned labeling myself as a leftist and im currently residing as a middlist because it seems that the reasons given by left organisations for why the right is incompetent and bad are not then being reapplied to themselves.

i suppose the biggest reason i gave up on the whole thing is because the dream of the left is just as much an illusion as that of the right for the simple fact[1] that the world doesnt actually contain enough resources for the world population to all live the lives of developed countries, and if this is true we have two options, to either kill a chunk of the percentage of the world population in order to make the numbers balanceable, or have the developed countries regress down to a lower standard of living. i dont think that the majority of the developed-country population would ever condone or agree with either of these solutions, so it just makes the whole thing seem pointless.

so you might agree with me, or be shocked by my ideas, or think im chatting *beep* and im not going to be checking here, so if you really want to lay down your opinion then drop me a note at the minorly re-edited version of this at http://spaces.msn.com/members/rtpharry/Blog/cns!1pw0JIB8dyg57MSooUnMWbVg!175.entry

[1] based on statements made on the wwf sustainable homes project, stating that we would need a total of 3 earths to run the whole world on the standard of england alone. http://www.wwf.org.uk/sustainablehomes/index.asp

i also found this site http://www.globalrichlist.com/ to be a shocking glance at how much better our lives are to their's, while at the same time feeling inadequate (ie with room for improvement in quality of living), which says to me that even if we could balance the sums somehow then we would still not reach the point of "ok, sorted, lets just enjoy life"

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rtpHarry

[–] 19 years ago

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[–] adam-912 18 years ago

If this is true then watch out... because those of the bottom two thirds are quickly climbing the ladder, training themselves, working hard, and aspiring to greatness. And if as you say the world is a limited place, we may find in less than a lifetime that those who work hard receive what they deserve, and the rest of us... well we can have what's left.

Adam.

-Don't label yourself left or right, use both eyes and keep an open mind.

[–] 18 years ago

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[–] za_kannushi 18 years ago

We do need at least three Earths. I know I need one for myself.

[–] everybodyscrewsu2 18 years ago

I can't think of anything more wasteful than American suburban society, surely that can and should be scaled back signifigantly. Hopefully more technological developments can be made to at least get thrid-worlders water and air conditioning, I really don't see why everyone needs a car and a computer.

[–] hoovcat 18 years ago

"surely that can and should be scaled back signifigantly"

How do you propose to do that other than through the use or threat of force?

That's essentially declaring war on people for exercising their liberty. We usually call that totaliarianism or fascism, right?

I agree that people should quit looking at world politics in terms of left and right. It's so much more complex, and a true libertarian position in the US is almost never considered.