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Corporations = The Ultimate Good


Corporations represent a good so pure that it surpasses even Jesus in its goodness. They are the ultimate expression of the greatest idea in human history: Capitalism.

Capitalism is an expression of freedom and of life itself. Under this sainted system we are all given the opportunity to work hard and be rewarded. Those sloths who fail in this endeavor are cast by the wayside, as it is meant to be. Hard work and enterprise advance mankind more than flowery speeches and attempts at "compassion" ever could. Thus, hard work should be rewarded. The corporation is a representation of hard work.

This movie is nothing but Communist propaganda. It is perversion and filth. It is unfortunate that America is not a pure Capitalist system, it is the elements of Spocialism that drag people down into perrmanent underclasses. Economic freedom is our oldest and most sacred freedom in this nation, and it must be preserved. Indeed, it was corporations and enterprising people that founded America on the principle that each man be free to earn, and to keep what they earn.

God bless America, and God bless the Corporations.

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Unfortunately, as the film shows, this "saintly" system has also thrown by the wayside tens of thousands of auto workers, parts manufacturers, textile workers and computer industry workers. It has even thrown by the wayside the planet itself. Your saint has become a monster, gobbling up resources in the name of profits and creating unimaginable waste, pollution, and suffering as those beings who care nothing for money but require simply air, water, and vegetation in order to live, are wiped from the planet. What will you do with your profits when everything that was free is gone, sir???

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There is no threat to the environment. The environment is fine as ever. Humans couldn't even damage it if they tried. Krakatoa did more "damage" to the environment than humanity could ever attempt to do.

As for the workers who have been laid off, that IS Capitalism. They did not proivide a useful service or skill at a competitive price any longer, so they were laid off. That is a good thing. Those who fail to contribute should not get anything. Hand-outs to those that do not contribute only punish those that do, and destroy free enterprise and the hard working people.

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I despise you and your point of view.
It is evil and it is wrong, and it is ignorant.
This kind of simple minded theory is a big deal
with kids who like evil fairy tales, because that
is what this social darwinism idea is.
it is amazing though how misguided fools like you
can be brainwashed into thinking this way even if
it kills you or your entire family.

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The people who make the people at the top rich work hard too ... not everything has to work like some pyramid scheme. There are many great things about capitalism, but many bad things as well.

One thing that always bothers me is this idea of progress that is facilitated by capitalism. Human nature has been the same for eternity ... I'd like to see some true progress. The balance of power slowly shifts the the few as capitalism progresses. Reality is skewed in people's minds in order to facilitate more consumption.

Body images skewed, false ideals set, neuroses fed ... all in the name of MORE, MORE, MORE. That's the thing with capitalism ... it feeds itself. Keep people so busy they can't do anything for themselves, creates another market. Encourage more and more consumption = more health problems, etc. All fine under our system though ... just increases the number of industries. Good for jobs and whatnot, but how about some regard for truth and true progress?

Under capitalism there often isn't incentive for progress (in real terms of progress, not just fancy toys).

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What a load of bull. Humans are polluting the earth with innumerable substances which nature never intended to be formed. They cause things like cancer. The fact that the planet itself will remain intact is of little consolation if it is uninhabitable by humans.

"They did not proivide a useful service or skill at a competitive price any longer, so they were laid off. That is a good thing"

Maybe to you and others as callous and heartless as you. The goal of human society should not be to advance technology and the interests of a powerful few at the expense of the masses. The goal of civilization should be to ensure the happiness of the people. People who cannot offer a skill at "a competitive price" should not be thrown into the street to die. Fortunately those in charge of democratic human societies are not nearly so selfish and cold as you.

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capitalism is one group of people screwing another. Communism is the exact opposite. (is that how it goes)

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I don´t want humans to be animals so I´m not an economist.

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I don´t want humans to be animals so I´m not an economist.


Economics is the science of the human action of managing scarce resources, a fact that makes your comment rather silly.

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"As for the workers who have been laid off, that IS Capitalism. They did not proivide a useful service or skill at a competitive price any longer, so they were laid off. That is a good thing. Those who fail to contribute should not get anything. Hand-outs to those that do not contribute only punish those that do, and destroy free enterprise and the hard working people."

Only a complete moron, like yourself, would support the growing trend of outsourcing domestic work to third world countries. Your own countrymen are getting laid off in favor of foreign workforces. And you consider it a good thing.

Well, here is a hint for you - Its not done for the survival of the company. Its done for the managements wallets.

Corporations are good, when they take their corporate responsibility. This includes looking after their employees. When they chose not to do this anymore, they become a problem. A bad thing. Border line evil, greedy, powermongering bastards. In a sense, true humans, I guess.

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Well, not to mention that the 'laid off workers' concept IS NOT capitalism. in true capitalism, those who do the work get the reward. We don't have that. We have feudalism. You work on the king (corporation)'s land (computer) for a scrap off the king's table, while all the real generated wealth goes into the hands of the least deserving (executives). In real capitalism, the employees would be receiving a fair portion of the profit, and by doing so the economies of scale would make the prices lower as a way of evening out.
The layoffs are the king wanting more money at the expense of the workers, who provided fair work for fair pay. This system is not capitalism in the least.

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4Timefelon: do you believe in euthanasia? Because I just read your words "Those who fail to contribute should not get anything."

Okay, let's say you get an accident. Not by your own fault, but still: you are severely handicapped. Your brain barely functions, no way can you look after yourself, so you need contant care. You are in no position to contribute, right? I mean, you're on all these machines, maybe even in a coma... but it costs an awful lot of money to take care of you. Nurses and doctors, physiotherapists, the bed in the room in the building that you stay in, the heat, the electricity, the washer that cleans your sheets... Who is going to pay for that, in your world? No contribution means not getting anything. So we just leave them by the side of the road after the accident? Because even taking such a victim back to a hospital and establshing that he will never contribute again costs money...
So kill them quickly? And you know what: even THAT costs money. And after the victim is dead: we'll need to bury it, otherwise we endanger our own health with all these corpses lying around. Again: who will pay for this?

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What is wrong with patenting life? I never understood the problem.

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That's because you're a sick, evil *beep*

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"As for the workers who have been laid off, that IS Capitalism. They did not proivide a useful service or skill at a competitive price any longer, so they were laid off. That is a good thing. Those who fail to contribute should not get anything. Hand-outs to those that do not contribute only punish those that do, and destroy free enterprise and the hard working people."

dont worry peoples, this person will change his mind when he gets laid off, or his company goes under because of predatory business practices, or his company moves to Mexico to make just a little bit more.

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sounds like somebody has been reading too much Ayn Rand.

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You ever notice how the characters in Ayn Rand never owned pets? There's gotta be something wrong with that . . .

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Rand's characters were such perfect 'imperfect human beings' that I have always found them scary. I never thought about the fact that they didn't have pets, though. You're right, that's weird.

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When I first read your post I thought it was meant to be funny. But then I read your other post and I found out that you were serious. I am seriously distrubed now.

Your post shows ignorance so extreme I do not know where to start. So I won't. But I will say it is obvious that you didn't watch the movie, and that if you truly believe that you are not ignorant, then you should be open minded enough to actually watch it before posting in this forum.

Every system has its flaws, and even if capitalsm is the best system right now, it is dangerous and wrong to believe that capitalism is perfect.

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Please the system we have in place now is only slightly capitalist, all the corruption of coporations today is caused by government interference through subsidizing businesses and coporate welfare. These businesses get special subsidies and grants taht they would not otherwise attain in the priavte market; if the government stayed out of the private sector, then coporations would be a lot smaller today than they are now.

Learn some basic economics, lefties.

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Wow. First of all, your reply to my post is non-sequitur. All I said was "it is dangerous and wrong to believe that capitalism is perfect."

Now, your patronizing "learn some basic economics, lefties" after your specious one-paragraph treatise on capitalism, is just plain silly.

First of all, I'm no economist (though I have learned beyond "basic economics"), but from your post it is obvious you aren't either, and I suspect I know a lot more than you do.

Your post is I think refuted well-enough by the movie (which I gather you have not seen), so there is no point in me continuing this argument. See the movie.

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To 4TimeFelon:

I do understand your points. I dont agree with them, but I understand. I will agree that there are many great corporations and capitalism is a great system to define and obtain great goals in life. But to say that "ALL" corporations are good shows there is a hipocrisy and dishonesty in your words. I think the way you equate the corporations that destroy with "Jesus", "expression of freedom and of life itself, "sainted", "advance mankind" ect. are nothing but facades you use to hide your true feelings which are:

"I dont care who or what I have to kill or physically harm to make as much money as I can possibly make. I can never make enough money. This is the reality of the world we live in and I accept it. I do not care about the future. All I care about is MY 75 years I have on this planet and I will suck on the juices of life at anyones expense. Amen."

Please respond.

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Despite what many people think economists do not always side with these big corporations. In fact a lot of the tactics these mega corporations use violate basic economic principles... I don't have much time to go into it but many of these corporations use economic arguments in half-measures.

I would consider my self more right-wing on a lot of issues but I detest what a lot of the big corporations get away with in the third world - it goes beyond trade and production and has become close to slave labour.

That is why the globalisation movement is dangerours: it demands that poorer nations open themselves up and relinquish trade barriers and laws which govern the setting of a minimum wage but without doing the same in the richer nations. Thats an economic half-measure which can only widen the gap between the rich and poor nations, not close it.

"I'm praying for rain, I'm praying for tidal waves" - Tool

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manoverde84, you say you detest what globolism is doing but you think it can benifit? Keep studying from a good book and you will learn more truth of globolisms harmful effects.

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Is that guy 4timefelon for real? Laugh my ass off!!!!!

Sounds like a 15 year old flamer to me.

You'll understand when your older, now go back to school.

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