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Did you feel sorry for Andy?


When Andy illegibly tries to rape her again in the janitors closet did you feel bad when she basically blinded him? I know what he did was terrible and he was abusing her but she could deff damage him forever...i felt bad even though what he did was HORRIBLEEEEE

what do you think?

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Leon, I seriously laughed out loud when I read your post. As for the topic creater, that andy guy deserved everything he got, and then some. I mean, when the hockey team were like "Dont move! Stay where you are!" I seriously thought (and hoping) that they were going to bash him with their hockey sticks. I can't believe you felt sorry for him. The pain he felt is no where near the pain kristens character (melinda? melissa...?) went through.

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Are you kidding?

If somebody started physically attacking me, I'd pull out my gun & shoot the guy in the head. People like that deserve DEATH, because they are worthless pieces of humanity.

In that situation, if you don't kill him first, he might kill you.
Being attacked is a life-or-death situation.
And HE'S going to be the one to die,
not me.

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not at all, i'm sure he would've never changed...cuz he always got away with it. Getting blind is what he gets. I would never feel sorry for a person like him, no matter what horrible things happened to him.

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I seriously laughed out loud when I read your post. As for the topic creater, that andy guy deserved everything he got, and then some. I mean, when the hockey team were like "Dont move! Stay where you are!" I seriously thought (and hoping) that they were going to bash him with their hockey sticks.


yeah i was hoping they were going to bash him with their hockey sticks too! :)

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(melinda? melissa...?)

it's funny you should say that, because that's exactly what the school principal says when he's talking to Melinda and her parents!
To the OP:
Definitely damage him forever? Ask rape victims if they're damaged forever.


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Definitely damage him forever? Ask rape victims if they're damaged forever.

I agree 100%. Well put.

Feel sorry for Andy?!! He was a rapist! He hurt Melinda terribly, AND he tried to attack her again!! She liked him and put her trust in him and he raped her! He was a worthless sack of crap.



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disagree. i do not feel sorry for andy at all. when they got caught in the closet i was hoping the team would smack him with the hockey sticks! i would never feel bad for him for what he put melinda through, he raped her, caused the lose of her friends, caused her to go selectivly mute, and much pain and hurt in her life.

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correction...they weren't "caught in the closet" as one post mentions. He AMBUSHES melinda in her closet (i'm just gonna call it hers since it was her lil nook for the school year). She knew what he was capable of, which was physically and emotionally hurting her! She would NEVER let it happen again (which is very clear, considering her understandable disgust for him). So she did what she felt was necessary to protect whatever shattered remains was left after the rape situation. Which was to never let him lay a finger on her ever again. Blinding him w. gasoline or whatever she had was self-defense.

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I'd like to let you know that in the book she doesn't blind him. She holds him at broken-glass-point until the hockey team shows up.

Though I know i cheered loudly when I saw what she did in the movie.
He deserved EVERYTHING he got, and more.
He doesn't even go to jail, he goes to trial but he doesn't actually get any jail time (also known from the book written after Speak.)

So in short no.
His physical pain is nothing in comparison to the mental torment Melinda went through.

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She had to endure over a year of mental anguish, in addition to the physical pain of being raped, which should not be overlooke. Add that to the fact that she could have EASILY gotten an STD, and no, I do not feel bad for him. Also, if you look carefully the blood is dripping *into* his eyes, not *from* his eyes. So I doubt he would be blinded forever. ALTHOUGH I must admit, if it turned out that he would be blinded forever...I might feel the *slightest* bit of pity for him...maybe. But probably not. I think.

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He doesn't even go to jail, he goes to trial but he doesn't actually get any jail time (also known from the book written after Speak.)

What book written after "Speak"? You mean there was a sequel written to that novel??? I loved the book "Speak"!
Do tell...?



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It wasn't a sequel but it was another book by the same author focussing on another character. I've read it but now I've gone completely blank about who/what it's about lol. If you google it it'll come up. Anyway the character in that book goes to the same school as Melinda (a grade or two behind) and at one time mentions casually that Melinda is "famous" for dobbing in a guy who raped her, but that the guy got sent off somewhere (college? I've completely forgotten) rather than jail, implying it's because he's well-off/has connections/it's not the done thing to send him to jail so they sent him away.

Wow I've forgotten a lot but I'm sure it's been discussed here before or you can google the book. Oh that's right, it's called "Catalyst", it's about a science student or something.

Wow my memory is going in my old age and it's been soooo long since I was in high school I'm actually starting to forget things I read!

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I laughed out loud because it's so true! (No offense to guys)

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NO i did not fall on my head, i know that it was TERRIBLE and i completely respect for defending her self and i think everything you guys think, and i have read the book and know that she didn't do that in the book, but i still think it was kinda harsh to do even though she didnt intentially do it, if it permently blinded him i would be kinda scared but i think she did what she could. you guys are heartless

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wait wait wait. We're heartless? Just because you can't see Melinda's pain in blood, and you can see that Andy's guys pain in blood, doesn't mean he was worse off. He DID something to deserve it. Sure, it would've hurt him, but so what? He needs to know what it's like. Him getting blinded is a small (I repeat the word small) compensation for what he did to melinda.

Ok, I just read back on what I said, and it's harsh on you, but it just made me angry that you felt sorry for him. So that's your point of view and this is mine. Sorry for attacking.

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Let's forget about the physical aspect for a minute. In that moment Melinda turned him into a scared little boy with nowhere to turn because no one was on his side. Not that I would be, I'm just saying that in that moment he might have realized the pain he put Melinda through and how she must have felt when he did those horrible things to her. I feel bad for him because he would have to live with what he did. I even feel bad for him because he didn't get jail time. It's best to be punished and get what you deserve if you want to feel better.

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i hope all rapists keel over and DIE!

im so not sorry for what she did..i loved that part of the movie

but is it just me or is andy a real weirdo? i mean i got it from so many parts that he didnt even REALISE he raped her its like that thought totally crossed his mind..he thought she wanted it even when she said no..like the parts he defended her in the cafeteria and stuff..it was so weird..my god that scene was so uncomfortable I WAS cringing ad i was watching!!

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maybe if all rapists went blind after they attacked girls then there'd be less rape. personally I don't feel an inch of sympathy for him even if she did throw white spirits in his face its about a quater of what he actually deserved.

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WHOA WHOA WHOA all of you mother *beep* on here whining oh god you all are so heartless........bull *beep* melinda should've seriously cut Andy's dick off. that would've been amazing!!!!! I mean he RAPED A YOUNG GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!! he stole her innocence and violated her in a way that no one could possibly understand unless it actually happened to them which is why its so damn easy for you *beep* to come on here and ask for a little mercy for Andy. well, sorry to break it to you guys but hell to the no he doesnt deserve to lick the bottom of my foot let alone get a little pity. and thank you so much to all of you defending melinda :)

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yes thank you so much. I also noticed that from what i've read nobody mentions a very important fact, when people are raped a large number of those rapes are what are called stranger rapes (and keep in mind im in no way diminishing the impact of that) obviously due to the rapist being a person they dont know or just met and is unlikely they'll ever see them again then theres boyfriends,friends family and so on and in some ways (again not diminishing) are worse then a stranger (although if its a stranger you think constantly is he the man that raped me so maybe its the same) because in my case and in melindas you have to see that person every day! you see him you smell him, which can lead to tasting and remembering and having anxiety and you watch your friends get close and you know what he can do to them but u cant do anything cuz no one believes you hes sssooo perfect (just like abusive husbands they are usually "MAN OF THE YEAR" and all of it just makes you sicker and sicker you lost all ur friends and they take his side u tell a teacher and they dont believe and the whole time this sick person is standing near you smiling and sneering knowing that you arent believed and he gets to torture you over and over again you dont even wanna no what kinds of thing i think up every frickin day every time i smell HIS cologne or have a nightmare and i wake up screaming and i can still feel HIS hands on me knowing he got away w it and was still following me 12 years after till i moved and when he sees me in public he watches and follows!! By the way i was 8 had to see him everyday blaming myself he lived 2 blocks from me stalked me every day for 12 yrs i fell asleep at night with the knowledge that he was 2 blocks away and (somehow not sure how)it was common knowledge in my neighborhood that my window didnt lock! i went to a childhood friends wake and found him there found out she was in his class and tortured myself for the longest time wondering if he did to her what he did to me! And i was even scared to go to my own fathers funeral afraid that if he read the obituary section he would see my dads last name and read under children and find me and decide to come and torment me. i live w the nightmares wich at times twist themselves and give his role another face.AND NOW I HAVE TO LIVE SEEING THE SAME TERROR AND PAIN AND HEARTACHE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO HEAR GUT WRENCHING SCREAMING AND CRYING FROM A (AT THE TIME) 2 AND 4 YR OLD OR WALKIN IN ON UR NIECE DOING THINGS SHE SHOULD NO A THING ABOUT FOR ANOTHER 12 YRS AND HAVE TO LISTEN TO HER STORIES AND NOT SHOW SADNESS OR RAGE SO SHE WONT THINK ITS HER FAULT SO SHE DOESNT THINK SHE WAS BAD BUT YOU WANNA RUN AND SCREAM GET AHOLD OF THE GUY AND GIVE HIM A TASTE OF HIS OWN MEDICINE PLUS SOME AND THE ROAD THAT MY 5 YR OLD NIECE AND MY 3 YR OLD NEPHEW ARE TRAVELING DOWN CUZ SOME @$$HOLE WANTED TO PLAY "GAMES" AND U DARE ASK ME TO FEEL PITY NO FRIGGIN WAY WILL I EVER EVER PITY ANYONE WHO DARES TO HARM ANOTHER IN SUCH A HORRIFIC WAY I THINK ALL RAPISTS SHOULD GET A TASTE OF THERE OWN MEDICINE AND THEN SOME ESPECIALLY ONES WHO DO IT TO KIDS CUZ THE IMPACT IS SO MUCH WORSE ON A 2 AND 4 YR OLD THEN A 16 YR OLD(AGAIN NOT DIMINISHING BUT THE PHYSICAL AND EMOTIONAL DEVELOPMENTAL PAIN AND SO ON AND SO FORTH IS MUCH WORSE.) A GROWN MAN RAPING A 4 YR OLD IS GONNA DO ALOT MORE PHYSICAL PAIN AND DAMAGE THEN IF THE GIRL WERE SAY 16 AND YOU CANT EXACTLY GO BACK IN TIME AND DO WHAT HE DID TO YOU AT AGE 4 WHEN HE WAS 4 SO CANT GIVE EXACT MEDICINE TO HIM BUT YOU JUST ADD MORE TO THE PUNISHMENT! AGAIN YOU DONT WANNA NO WHAT THOUGHTS ENTER MY MIND AND IF YOU HEARD THEM YOU PROBABLY WOULD TRY TO HAVE ME COMITTED BUT I HAVE NEVER ACTED UPON THEM JUST DREAM OF IT! so no i dont feel bad for him andy or any other and im sorry if anything i said offended any one but like i said you dont even want to no what i think up but it is along the same lines as Xxsgt_pepperxX thoughts only much much worse if i voiced em ppl wud say im insane or disturbed and i maybe but keep this very last thought in mind i am what my rapist made me he stole my innocence and hurt me mentally emotionally verbally physically and sexually! I do not trust and all my relationships and how i see men was forever and permanently changed and set in stone the moment he took my innocence it may get better marginally w therapy and drugs but it hasnt yet not for me and i will never c justice for me & neither will the girls b4 me or since me but i pray that there wont be any more but if there are any in the future i pray they get justice and recieve a ton more help and support then i got! I hate who i am and i try so hard not to be what i am but i always end up back to this point cuz the dreams and his face continue to appear and torture and slowly destroy my mind and my life. they always come back always!
I AM AND PROBABLY ALWAYS WILL BE WHAT MY RAPIST MADE ME!

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you guys are heartless

Pot meet kettle.

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Obviously, you've never been raped. What he did to her will affect her for the rest of her life. She will forever have nightmares. There is no such thing as closure for something like this.

When you are in a situation like that, you do everything you can to stop it, or do what you must in order to save your life. He'd already raped her once. He was attempting to rape her again, and this time there is the possibility he could have seriously hurt her. She fought back.

How dare you call us heartless? You are the one who is heartless for feeling sorry for someone who has no morals and insists on hurting women like that.

Being raped is something you can never get over. He deserved everything he got, and much more.

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Nope people who are not sorry for what happen to Andy are not heartless and lets be honest here Andy was overweight and had bad acne you wouldn't feel sorry for him but since Andy tall and skinny and good looking you feel sorry for


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I don't know if I felt sorry for him, but I don't believe in punishments that aren't handed out by the law. If a court hearing and trial occurred and Andy was found innocent, and someone just decided to throw cleaning fluid in his face, then I'd feel bad because it's not how you handle things. But, it wasn't because he had raped her. He wasn't attempting to assault her again...he was bullying her into telling everyone she lied about what happened. She acted in self defense, not revenge...it's not like she saw it there, and hit him with it for no reason. She grabbed whatever was available and used it. And, I don't think it was permanent blindness, as he stopped crying and was looking at everyone confronting him as the movie ended.

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I personally don't feel sorry for Andy at all I didn't like him at all he deserved everything that came to him.

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i have no sympathy for andy evans . whatever she threw into his eyes wasnt enough

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Uh...yeah. So what did she blind him with, anyway?

EDIT: And by the way, "illegibly" means "impossible or hard to read". A far cry from illegally. And since when is rape not illegal?

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I am pretty sure the original poster meant the word "allegedly".

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Asher_cross. i loved your answer. i am going to think of it like that from now on, now i dont feel so bad. thank you

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