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What did Jesus look like, what did He wear, etc...?


Let me say that I am a HUGE fan of The Gospel Of John, and that this is an edited version of a post I originally put up on The Passion boards. However, it contains information that I think may be of some interest to GOJ fans, and that does apply to this movie also, so I'm posting it here as well:

There are alot of people making blanket statements and assertions about things that they seem very certain and convinced of when it is extremely (painfully) obvious that they are completely ignorant in regards to these areas. It is really beyond my understanding how and why people spend so much time expressing what they “think” about something without actually KNOWING anything about it, yet that appears to happen quite frequently. I think that it would be wise for such people to do a little research on something before broadcasting their lack of knowledge and quickness to form and express strong opinions (not facts as they would like to believe) about things that they know nothing about. I’m not even sure that “opinions” is the right word, because they can very quickly and easily be shown to be wrong...but let’s get on with it.

First off, I think that we owe it - out of respect - to the people who shaped history and the time and world and culture in which they lived to depict them as accurately as possible in any art form, including film. I think even more so as a Christian one owes it - again out of respect - to God, His Word, the people it tells us about (especially Jesus), and the time and world and culture that they lived in. Filmakers have the means, and even make the claims (or boasts) that they are doing so, but just plain don't do it. This applies across the board to many aspects of this and other films - the way the people look, the clothing they wear, the props, the sets, the locations, etc., etc...

Keep in mind that no matter how close a film sticks to whatever sources it may use, it will ALWAYS be an interpretation because it is an audio/visual depiction. People don’t realize the effect that things such as pacing, camera angels, lighting, accompanying music and sound effects, etc. have on the way they perceive what is on the screen. Then there are the issues of the physical appearance of the characters, based on the actors cast, hair and makeup, costumes, etc. and things such as their tone of voice and inflection, facial expressions, and body language at any given moment.

Let me start with the fact that neither the casting nor the makeup achieves an ethnically accurate looking cast. The exceptions to this appear to be the men under Pilate’s command (but not Pilate himself). They would have looked like many of the people living in Mediterranean Europe today – dark hair and eyes (brown), but light skin. But what about the Jews? Let’s use Jesus as a case study for what they should look like.

Now, there are - despite rumors to the contrary - no Biblical passages or reliable historical documents that describe what Jesus looked like, and that's ok, because we don't really need any to get an idea. All we need to know is His age (He was around 33 at the time of His Death, Burial, Resurrection and Ascension) and that He was a Jew living in First Century Israel.

Although Jews of today are not ethnically homogeneous (largely due to intermarriage by those population groups that migrated to Europe with the native inhabitants, but due to other causes as well, however you can still be “ethnically Jewish” and not “religiously Jewish” – it’s a complicated, tricky issue), the Jews living in Israel before the Diaspora were ethnically homogeneous. In other words, during the time period that we are concerned with for the sake of this discussion, and in the geographical area that we are concerned with for the sake of this discussion, the Jews of First Century Israel were ethnically homogeneous. They were essentially a large, extended family (the descendants of Jacob) who had hardly ever intermarried with outsiders. Thus, consistently similar - almost identical - features and coloring.

Well, who do we compare them to ethnically? Arguments for them being what modern Americans would consider “white” or “black” can be quickly and easily dismissed. But what about comparisons to Arabs? Neither most modern Arabs nor most modern Jews (notice I said most, not all) would care for that comparison. You try telling most Arabs OR Jews that the most famous Jew of all time looked like an Arab! It just doesn't make sense! Jews and Arabs are two distinctly different groups of people who have lived in the same region for a very long time, but because of their animosity towards each other, have rarely, if ever, intermarried.

So, the question comes up again...who do we compare them to ethnically? Quite simply, the Jews of First Century Israel would have been most comparable ethnically to the modern day Mizrachim - Jews of Near and Middle Eastern stock. This is opposed to the other modern “types” of Jews - most notably Asheknazim and Sephardim. The Ashkenazim and Sephardim are both the descendants of population groups from different areas of Europe, although the Sephardim began to “return” to Israel en masse long before the Ashkenazim did and some Sephardic population groups have over the course of history settled in various places throughout the Near and Middle East. However, both groups are the results of extensive intermarriage with and conversion of native population groups in Europe shortly after the Diaspora. These two groups are the ancestors of the Jews most non-Jewish North Americans and Europeans are used to seeing, both living in their own areas and in the media in the form of entertainers and world leaders, including those of modern-day Israel. Jewish population groups from Africa and Asia are often lumped in under the designation of Mizrachim, although some groups cannot be put into any of these three classifications.

A quick reminder, many of the terms that people seem to sometimes use interchangeably in such discussions – such as “Jewish” and “Middle Eastern” - cannot accurately be used interchangeably. Besides, do you know how many different ethnic groups have lived in the Middle East at one time or another? Also, as stated earlier, Jews of today are not ethnically homogeneous, so when people say things like “look Jewish” or something to that effect, there really is no such thing in the modern sense. Do you mean like Sammy Davis Jr. or like Woody Allen or like Gene Wilder or like Jerry Seinfeld or like Jerry Springer or like Jerry Stiller or...? You get the point, and I digress...

As stated before, the Mizrachim are ethnically identical to the Jews of the time of Christ. From this we can determine that they (and therefore Jesus) tended to have extremely dark skin (not like a black sub-Saharan African, though), thick, dark body hair, a long, prominent, distinguished, pointed nose that curved outwards, dark brown eyes, and thick, curly black hair (until they went bald and/or it turned gray or white). So, yes, they did have more in common as far as their physical features and coloring with their Semitic cousins such as the Arabs than with what modern Americans would consider “white” or “black”. In fact, if you gave Jesus a shave and a haircut, dressed Him in modern Western clothes, and plopped Him down in any city in America, most modern (ignorant) Americans would probably mistake Him for Arab or Latino/Hispanic or think that He was from somewhere on the Indian Sub-Continent. I do realize that to most modern readers, making such generalizations when describing a group of people may seem to be in poor taste, but scientists that work in fields that deal with such things do it. But back to describing what Jesus may have looked like. The realities of the time and place, as well as his diet and lifestyle and occupation, would indicate that he would have been slim, thin, and lean, yet tough, resilient, hardy, strong, and rugged. Have you ever seen someone buff and built or husky/chubby living in a Third-World Country? Moving on, despite what the Discovery Channel and Popular Mechanics says (I saw their “reconstruction” and am not the only person that finds it EXTREMELY laughable), the realities of His religion and culture and the time and place and His socioeconomic status would indicate to us that His beard (which would be just as thick, curly, and black as the hair on His head) and His hair would both be grown very long and shaggy and - just like every other male of His religion and culture - He would have had peoth (side locks/curls). When I think of the hair, I think of images from the 60’s and 70’s like those of the hippies at Woodstock, with their huge, thick, curly massses of long unkept tangled, matted hair. When I think of the mustaches, I think of pictures from the 19th century of men with their big, thick, bushy mustaches. When I think of the beards, I think of those hippies again, and of Rasputin and of Santa Claus and of ZZ Topp and of Grizzly Adams and of homeless guys and even of Charles Manson and Ted Kazinsky. Anyways, that mass of hair on their head would be partly covered by a large felt skullcap (made in a very similar manner and of the same material as the more recent fez and tarboosh, only round and fit snugly and tightly on the head) that the Jews had adopted from the Greeks when the Greeks came with the conquests of Alexander the Great, replacing the turbans that the Hebrews/Israelites/Jews had worn for nearly 1,000 years prior. All adult male Jews (those that had had their Bar Mitzvah) would wear this at all times as it was - again - part of their religion and culture.

This brings up the point that the color schemes and designs of the costumes of everyone (including any armor seen) are not historically accurate. You would be surprised by what would have actually been worn in light of what has been seen on the screen and in art. In art the traditional depiction of the attire of “Biblical people” has its basis in Byzantine art in which the people were depicted in Byzantine dress. On the screen we have a tradition apparently based on costume designers’ stylized interpretations of traditional Arab dress. Sometimes, though, it all just seems to spring from the individual’s imagination. To us, what the Jews of First Century Israel wore would have looked more or less like a uniform. Of course there was the skullcap mentioned earlier. Almost everything was made from wool, and very rarely flax. There was a sort of “underwear” which was a long strip of fabric wrapped under and around, and which was the only thing men in certain occupations would be wearing when doing their work. Then there was the tunic, the same basic thing, with slight variations for men, women, and children and based on occupation (and therefore income) and where you lived, as well as what time of year it was and the skill of the woman making the garment. That garment never went too far bellow the knees (except for women) and the sleeves never went too far below the elbow, and occasionally (again for men in certain occupations when doing their work during certain times of year) there were no sleeves. Due to the fact that they were made for the individual and for practical reasons as well (conservation of material and to make it easier to work in the clothes) the garments were very snug and fitted. To us, the fabric would look rough and the stitching crude and primitive. A small sash wrapped around the waist served as a belt, and sometimes things were tucked into the folds, serving as a sort of pocket. Hardly anyone could afford to dye or even bleach any of their clothing, so it was usually the natural color of the material. Women wore a type of combination shawl/veil. The one item that every man had to splurge and put a little color in (a particular shade of blue) was the large shawl that he always carried that had fringes along the edges and tassels on the corners. It served an endless variety of purposes. He usually carried it draped over one shoulder to provide padding for the goat-skin satchel he might be carrying. If it was hot and dusty and the sun was particularly bright, he might would drape and wrap it over his head and shoulders, covering his mouth and nose, to keep the sun off of his head and out of his eyes, and the dust out of his mouth and nose. It could be (and often was) used as a blanket. In the Synagogue and Temple and at any time that he was praying, he would put it over his head. This was the beginnings of the Tallit, the Jewish prayer shawl. The Roman soldiers wore chain mail armor and a bronze helmet, the exact designs of which are known to us, although it is up for speculation how much of their arms and armor they’d be equipped with while carrying out routine crucifixions just outside the city wall. The Temple Guards would be wearing typical Levite dress, which was a bleached white linen garment that went down to the ankles and had fringes and tassels at the bottom, and which had tightly fitted sleeves that extended to the wrists, and they wore a sash-belt at the waist. They wore a small, rectangular, bronze chest plate held on by leather straps attached at the four corners that went over the shoulders and under the arms and connected in the back. A leather belt with square bronze plates attached to the outside was worn over the sash for carrying a sword or dagger. A very plain, simple bronze helmet (most likely conical) was worn. Most likely a spear and small shield were carried, although they would not be of the caliber of those carried by the Romans or even those of the Herodian soldiers. In addition to the designs and colors of the costumes, in some scenes, certain characters (such as Caiaphas and Pilate, for example) appear to be wearing things that they most likely would not have worn in those situations (or sometimes aren’t wearing things that they most likely would have). Pilate, being the Roman Prefect, would have hardly ever worn armor, and in such situations as those in which he appears in the Gospels would be wearing his tunic and toga. Caiaphas, as High Priest, would only wear his Vestments when officiating in the Temple during specific times of the year, and so we shouldn’t see him in them at all. He should be wearing typical priestly garb, which would be much like that of the Levites (but without the armor and weapon elements mentioned for the Temple Guards). Also, as indicated earlier, the hairstyles of the Jewish characters (both for their heads and their faces – including Jesus and the Apostles) and possibly some of the other characters are not accurate.

The locations chosen for filming are geographically and geologically different from the locations they are meant to represent in Israel. It is a different climate and environment. They also have different flora and fauna.

The sets are architecturally inaccurate. The materials and construction methods and styles and designs and colors, etc., that are apparently meant to be represented differ from what would have really been, which archaeology can tell us a great deal about. Plenty of information is available online and in many books detailing the reconstructions of the buildings of Jerusalem during this period, just as it is for everything else that I mention.

Many of the props used are inaccurate in that they are anachronistic, whether it be chronologically, geographically, socially, situationally...whatever.

Jesus and the Apostles are sitting at the table while they eat, whereas they should be reclining.

The way the carrying of the cross (only the crossbeam would be carried to the upright post which stayed in place, and it was only tall enough to get the feet of the person off the ground, which isn’t too tall since their knees would be bent) and the crucifixion (people were crucified in the nude) are depicted do not match the historical evidence of the way such things were done, nor the Gospel accounts of this particular crucifixion. The nails did go through the wrist, with a small piece of wood between the nail and the flesh for the nail to go through first to prevent blood splatter on the person hammering the nail in and for other reasons as well.

I could go on and on, but I won’t (I’m sure that you appreciate that). I feel like I’m forgetting something. If I remember, I’ll let you know. If I have been unclear or you would like for me to elaborate on any of the inaccuracies that I have mentioned, please let me know about that and I would be more than happy to share some more, and I could also tell you about some other movies in this same genre. Also, let me just say (and this is very important) that despite everything I’ve said here, I have gripes with every movie. I enjoyed this one very much for everything that it’s worth, and have the DVD and soundtrack. I appreciate you taking the time to read this, and hope that you have found it to be at least somewhat informative.

My vision for Biblical films is that if Mizrachi Jews saw it, they would say, “Surely those are what my ancestors looked like long ago!” If the people living in the places were it takes place saw it, they would say, “Surely that is what the place that I live in now looked like long ago!” If scholars and experts that work in any field or area even remotely related to the time and place saw it, they would be amazed to see what they’ve dedicated their career to brought to life on the screen. It can happen. There are plenty of talented, under appreciated actors that would fit the roles ethnically with the right hair and makeup (perhaps prosthetics), such as the many whose origins are in the Indian Sub-Continent, but live in the UK of GB (and speak English with a British accent) and appear in movies like Bend It Like Beckham. Ideally, realtive unknowns would be used, just as they were in The Gospel Of John. Also, if the movie is done in English, you can have some sort of expert come in and come up with different accents – one for the Galilaeans, one for the Judaeans, one for the Samaritans, one for the Romans, one for the other Gentiles, etc. Next, plenty of movies are filmed in Israel, why not Biblical ones? It's been done before.

Finally, I'd like to point out that anyone with access to libraries and the Internet (like me) can find out how to make everything look completely accurate.

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that was a wonderful comment. wow! i sure feel ignorant now.

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angel 44,

Wow! Thank you very much for your wonderful comment. I really appreciate it. If it actually did make you feel ignorant, I appologize. It certainly was not meant to do that.

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If you go to the official site, gospelofjohnthefilm.com, there is a whole page of info by the costumer, with sketches and info on her research into the clothing of the time.
I believe she won an award for her work from a Christian Film society.

Mianne



"I am telling you the truth!"

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a70eezchild,

I didn't want to "point fingers," but I've seen the page on the official site that you're talking about, and if she actually did do the research that she claims she did, then it's amazing to me that she ended up with zero historically accurate costume designs.

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I find it very hard to believe that she completely missed the mark.
Regardless, I liked the costumes.

I am not a movie purist...I like to see artistic interpretation.
I like to see what the director chose to do, what the art director chose to create...it's a movie, for goodness sake, not a documentary or reality series. I like it as it is, I don't bitch about what it's not, or critique it until it's bloody! THAT is not entertainment.

Mianne



"I am telling you the truth!"

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a70eezchild,

Easy, easy! No need to get mad at me and use profanity. I'm not mad at anyone. I'm not using profanity. I'm not trying to entertain anyone either. As I said in the original post, I'm a HUGE fan of the movie, and I have the right to like the movie and comment on these certain points of interest (I gave my reasons for doing so in the post). Some people actually do find what I have to say interesting. If you don't, then I'm sorry that you wasted your time reading the whole thing and then continuing to comment on it. You didn't have to. On a completely different note, I'm glad that you watched the movie and enjoyed it. It is an extremely underappreciated movie.

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Excuse my use of the word bitch...I use it as everyday language, not as profanity.

I am not mad other than you seem to have a habit (from what I have seen) of hopping around the board, being critical (critiquing)...which you totally have every right to do, I was just voicing my opinion about what it is you have done above. I know you like the film. I just don't agree with you that it needs to be so intensely historically accurate...it is extremely valuable to me the way it is.

Have you been on the Arts and Faith board?
If not, you should check it out...it is perfect for someone who loves critical analysis...those people are serious over there.

Thanx,
Mianne

ADD: I have a Yahoo group for fans of the movie GoJ called gojo, and a few weeks ago, someone downloaded a link to your discourse above, and it remains there today.




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Cos-9,

I thoroughly enjoyed your post, and out of curiosity's sake, wish to know how you came by such knowledge and information ... are you a professor? An anthropologist? A Biblical scholar?

Personally, I have always pictured the historical Jesus as being very dark-haired and dark-eyed, and must confess to being somewhat repelled by that ghastly "portrait" done by Popular Mechanics/Discovery; I could not relate to that face at all, and "my" Jesus certainly never looked like that.

As for the GoJ, certainly, this, and other films about Jesus have taken liberties with what was likely His actual appearance, but I strongly suspect that the reason is because the moviemakers are trying to appeal to a certain audience and it all comes down to sales figures. Most westerners (and this film is geared toward a western market, no?) have a certain imprinted idea of what Jesus looked like, and that Jesus looks like a dark-haired, handsome, shaggy-haired westerner. There are many Christians (and others) who don't even know or realize that Jesus was a Jew. Their idea of Jesus is the rather European-looking one made famous in the paintings of the old masters and old films. To make a film like GoJ "historically accurate" by presenting the average person with a Jesus that looks totally alien to them, would likely create anger, outrage, disappointment, and in the end, poor sales for the movie. I can hear the clamor now: "But Jesus DIDN'T look like *THAT*!" This is anathema!!!

Everyone has their own idea of what Jesus actually looked like, and the Jesus they envision is the one they can relate to best, and is most comfortable and familiar to them. Of course it's historically inaccurate, but the most comfortable image to me, of Him, is Ted Neeley in Jesus Christ Superstar (though I liked this Jesus, as well <g>). Jesus is such a personal figure, as well He should be ... I have seen him portrayed as black. I have seen him portrayed as Hispanic. Heck, I'm reading a book right now by a fellow named Bruce Chilton who portrays him as fat, balding, and bipolar. Now, *that* certainly doesn't fit with my own personal portrait of Jesus, but there you have it.

Nevertheless, picturing Jesus as black-haired and dark-eyed does not trouble me at all. :-)

-- Danelle

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tom50tom2003-1,

Perhaps veil does not convey a proper understanding of the item in question. Veil in the sense that it was a large piece of material used as a head covering that could also be used to cover the face at times. I'm not sure exactly what mental picture you have in mind when you refer to "veils that Muslim women wear today" and "ones that Indian women wear," so it is difficult for me to help you out there. Sorry.

As for the shawl of the men, I'm really not able to describe it any better than I did in the original post. I'm sorry. I'm not real sure what other details you're looking for.

As mentioned in my post, typical priestly garb would be very similar to that of the Levites, which I described in the post. It would definitely include the bleached white linen tunic that went down to the ankles and had fringes and tassels at the bottom, and which had tightly fitted sleeves that extended to the wrists. And don't forget, all adult Jewish males kept their heads covered at all times.

I realize that I may not be entirely clear and might have still left some questions unanswered. If so, please feel free to let me know.

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cos9,

Wow what a post.

I agree about movies not being historically accurate, heck many movies based on Historical facts tend to stray somewhere, some movies everywhere. Just as in theatre. I don't think the men of Shakespeares time wore tights under everything, yet most Shakespeare plays are costumed with the men wearing short tunics that barely conceal their manlyness and tights, I think that is one of the reasons I don't watch the Ballet mosst of those costumes to be compatible with dancing are even shorter. But I digress.

Some of the inacuracies as someone else mentioned may have been purely done (possibly on a subconcious level) to meet the targeted audiences expectations.

As for what Jesus may have looked like, the only time I'm offended by portrails of him is the stereotypical Blonde (very blonde) blue eyed European look that has been around since at least the Renaiassance paintings. So lets blame the Italians! (Just Kidding)


As for historical biblical movies filme in Isreal, there is at least one fairly recent one (more recent than the original 1973 Jesus Christ Superstar) that was filmed in and Near Isreal and that is Jesus (AKA: The Jesus Film) http://imdb.com/title/tt0079368/ Have you seen this one? If so is that one any closer to the mark? Or is it totally off base?


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klandersen,

Yes, I am quite familiar with the Jesus film. It is one of my favorites. Since it was taken entirely from the Gospel According To Luke, it has a superior script to almost every other Jesus movie ever made (The Gospel Of John being once exception). And you are also correct in saying that it was actually shot in Israel. Therefore, all of the benefits that can be reaped from filming near the actual locations were (flora & fauna, enironmental, geological & geographical accuracy, etc). I especially liked the fact that the Sea Of Galilee, the Jordan River, and the Judaean Wilderness (were Jesus is tested by Satan) were all used for themselves! Sadly, though, the Jesus film still fell short in every other way that I mentioned in the post with which I started this thread. However, there was one notable exception. There were a few older Mizrachi Jewish men (Jews such as those that I mentioned in my original post that started this thread) used as extras, most notably as a beggar that Jesus hands a piece of fruit to during one of His sermons, and as a group of two or three old men sitting together in the Nazareth Synagogue when Jesus is there. So, there's some ethnically accurate casting right there! I don't know if any other Biblical movie has had any Mizrachi Jews in it, even just as extras! If you haven't seen this movie, I reccomend that you do. Instead of trying to find it to rent it, though, you should check and see if you have a Family Christian Store near you, because I believe that right now they have a special DVD edition entitled Jesus: Fact Or Fiction? on sale right now for only $5! I could be wrong about that, though. Don't hold me to it. Check with them and see for yourself.

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