I would have liked to know what happens when you answer yes. They either kill you or don't. Could be they just want to record the answer to this question to find out what percentage of the people who make it out believe in God.
Since I'm agnostic I'm wondering what would happen... there's no button for that.
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Another question.
If they wipe your long term memory...how d'you know if you believe in God or not? By the assumptions made while in the Cube? Subconscious knowledge? Or another plot hole the terrible writers didn't notice while bastardizing what little credibility the series had left?
I think the fact that the prisoners can still remember how to speak English perfectly, among other motor skills they still seem to possess, is a good indication that their whole memories weren't simply "wiped". I think it's a safe assumption that their captors are quite careful with choosing specifically which of their memories they want erased.
*There is no spoon.*
in think these are only 2 out of 1000 logical errors in this movie's script.
shareA lot of neuroscientists are now thinking whether or not you believe in god is something predetermined by the makeup of your brain - like it's hardwired in there. Geneticists are also starting to think this based on a common gene found amongst those of strong religious beliefs that isn't found in those of non existent religious beliefs. Basically, having your memory wiped would not affect whether or not you believe, because it's part of who you are.
shareIf you answer "Yes", they move onto Question #3.
shareI'm Agnostic too, but the answer for us would have to be no. I mean we don't find sufficient evidence that God exists, thus we do NOT think he exists, even if we are open to the idea. Thus, we would have to say no.
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They'd kill you too. The whole point of the cube is to take a (somewhat extreme) servey. All the cube crap is just a test to see what people had to say to that question after experiencing all those horrors. After you take the servey you're killed cause u were already sentences to death anyway and you're of no more use anymore.
Well that's what I think of it =P
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But that's totally life anyway, isn't it?
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Since the question isn't "Do you know there is a God?", or "Do you believe in God's falsifiability?", but simply "Do you believe in God", I don't see why an agnostic wouldn't be able to give an answer. The ultimate outcome would depend on whether you're an agnostic atheist, or an agnostic theist.
shareThe ultimate outcome would depend on whether you're an agnostic atheist, or an agnostic theist.
Wow. I don't even know how to follow your logic. Agnostic just means the answer to the question you don't know the answer to is "I don't know." Not, "I don't know, I'll make something up." Or "I don't know, but I have to make a decision because everybody MUST choose a side and things are always black or white." Look in the dictionary sometime and stop making things more complicated than they already are.
It's really mind-boggling to me that people who have choosen sides, either theist or atheist, can't see that it's not about choosing sides for me. I just don't make assumptions to questions that I couldn't possibly know the answer to.
For those of you who are atheists I pose the question: Why Anything? Why not nothing?
I will say the possibility of a Christian God existing is 0%. First, what type of people does God reward? Gullible people who will believe in something just because it's in a book. But not just gullible people. Gullible people who were born on the right continent with the right religious text. Christians, do you really think you're any different than the gullible people in Japan who believe in Shinto? Or the gullible people in the middle east who believe in Islam? A true reflection of his followers, God is an *beep* Join my team and start kissing my ass or you get INFINITE searing pain. Yep, I masturbated a bunch of times so it's only fair that I feel infinite searing pain. I'd like to think that if there were a god who thinks like us "he" would be a just god.
Is the Bible floating in the air mystically and glowing gold or completely indestructible? No, it's a bunch of really bad stories usually without even a decent lesson. (You'd think God would know how to write interesting stories since he is supposedly all-knowing.) Also filled with useless crap like Numbers... good for those crazy people who think there's a hidden message in the numbers... it's an inventory list of how many cows people had. Why would you take that and put it in your religious text? You want to make a religious text out of my tax forms from last year? You know who has some good stories that really make you think and reflect? Native Americans. Some real wisdom there.
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Wow. I don't even know how to follow your logic. Agnostic just means the answer to the question you don't know the answer to is "I don't know." Not, "I don't know, I'll make something up." Or "I don't know, but I have to make a decision because everybody MUST choose a side and things are always black or white." Look in the dictionary sometime and stop making things more complicated than they already are.
It's really mind-boggling to me that people who have choosen sides, either theist or atheist, can't see that it's not about choosing sides for me. I just don't make assumptions to questions that I couldn't possibly know the answer to.
For those of you who are atheists I pose the question: Why Anything? Why not nothing?
Maybe they make agnostics stay there until they give an answer.
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This is my theory of what the Cube is, If you remember the first movie when they mentioned that maybe it was an idea that went out of control to something that's not even governed by any one anymore and who ever wants to use it uses it through the government. What better way to get rid of people who are activists against god and the government then to place them in a place where no one will remember them or know about them. If you remember what they said in the first movie where that they use the cube even if there is no point to it they just need to make it not seem pointless which it is.... So what better way then to test people's faith after seeing what they've been through and whether they believe god got them through it or themselves. It's all a game...
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While watching the movie, before Dood said that "No one has ever said yes", I assumed that you're killed either way. I still think that. Maybe you suffer a different death, or maybe they put you back into the cube until your answer will be "no." But either way, I can't see how anyone who's actually WATCHED the movies could think they'd actually let anyone back into the real world no matter what they said or did.
"What percentage of the people who make it out"
Uh..did you listen to anything that was said? NO ONE makes it out, unless someone awesome comes in and completely destroys the system. The "procedure" is such that even those who make it to the "exit room" are not allowed to live, let alone be released back. And I'm fairly certain that clip we see at the end wasn't real (it's shown while they're messing with his brain, I thought it might be implied they were implanting it as a false memory), with how tightly controlled everything was, and there were still military men and helicopters chasing Rains, I find it ridiculous to think she actually got away. What reinforces the fact that it wasn't real is that she's shown with her daughter. What, when they took her, they left her daughter in the woods, even though she dreamt of how the surgeons were torturing her too? And her daughter just happened to survive on her own all that time, and she just happened to still be there when her mother escaped? And they thought it was okay to leave a child with the memory of what happened out in the world, with no concerns that she might find someone and tell them what happened?
In response to your 2nd question: If strong Christians don't believe in God after getting to the "end" of the cube, do you honestly think an agnostic would still be "unsure"? Since they've stated no one has ever said "yes" (which is stupid, honestly, if they were smart enough to get that far, I'd think at least SOMEONE who has already realized that NOTHING in the cube is random - they would never get to the exit room if they didn't already know this - would realize the question is not random either, and know that they should answer not with what they truly believe, but what the operators will think is correct), you can assume that if even those with the strongest religious beliefs, a million times stronger than that of a an agnostic, no longer believe in a god, an agnostic who started out without an opinion either way would certainly not have "found" god while in there. And the 2nd movie proves they don't put only atheists in the cube, as the guy who we assume worked for Izon ("Don't I get my numbers? DON'T I GET A CHANCE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE?"), begins to pray.
Also, in response to some posts below: In talking about how they're "condemned prisoners", were you just speaking in terms of what the operators were told? Because you do realize most of those people were certainly not convicts, nor condemned to death by a fair trial? That was made pretty clear. No one agrees to it, no one signs a consent, and whoever is calling the shots (the government, whatever) chooses each person because they're somehow a "danger" - they're political activists or stir up dissent, they know too much about the operation of the cube, etc.
would realize the question is not random either, and know that they should answer not with what they truly believe, but what the operators will think is correctSure, but you only *think* you know what the operators expect because of having seen the film. I guarantee you, had he been killed after having answered yes, your posting would say the exact opposite (still maintaining this is what the operators expect). share
No, you misunderstood what I was saying. As it was about 9 months ago now I had to go back and read the entire thread and figure out what you were responding to, but I think I've got it.
First, I'm not sure what you mean by
Sure, but you only *think* you know what the operators expect because of having seen the film. I guarantee you, had he been killed after having answered yes, your posting would say the exact opposite (still maintaining this is what the operators expect).
If noone ever said "yes" then all the subjects must have been programmed to say "NO". It's a pseduo-choice and the main goal is, as it was said above, to test the operators.
"...stranger!"
it's just a mind game,
had he said yes, they would have asked "Which God do you believe in?"
again. there is no button for this.
shareThen they could've asked, for example:
"Have you sinned?"
There was a first question, "What is your name?", and a second question "Do you believe in God". There could as well be third, fourth, etc.
May be, even, any answer "NO" automatically starts the incinerator.
I found the memory wiping part a but difficult to grasp logically; they wipe out peoples memory to the extent that they do not even know their names. They can still speak english which is so far logical but wiping out memory to that extent would undoubtedly wipe out some intelligence including the ability to do complex math and know the significance of the army. I guess the film implies the cube masters are able to decide which memories they retain.
Back to the topic at hand; i pondered it when this came up because I am an agnostic. And often when people ask me what is the difference between an agnostic and an atheist, i explain it to them this way;
If you ask an atheist is there a god, they will say NO. If you ask an agnostic, they will say I DONT KNOW. It's like bigfoot or aliens, i dont know whether it exists or not.
> i explain it to them this way;
If you ask an atheist is there a god, they will say NO. If you ask an agnostic, they will say I DONT KNOW.
Correct. But it is a little more than that. I think if you poll most Agnostics to be more specific, 90% will say that they lean heavily towards the "No" answer.
In other words, "I've seen no real evidence of God so I'm pretty sure He doesn't exist. But I am open to changing my mind if you have some actual proof to show me."
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And often when people ask me what is the difference between an agnostic and an atheist, i explain it to them this way;
If you ask an atheist is there a god, they will say NO. If you ask an agnostic, they will say I DONT KNOW. It's like bigfoot or aliens, i dont know whether it exists or not.
A good deal of people consider themselves to be 'agnostics'. By this they mean to identify themselves as doubters on the question of a 'god's' existence. They usually hold to this position of doubt because reason compels them to doubt the existence of any 'god', yet they resist calling themselves atheists because they also want to hold to their disbelief tentatively. Their expressed reason for this is clear: while their reason leads them to doubt the claims of theism, reason also demands that they keep an open mind on the question of 'god'. If you are one such person then it might interest you to know that your doubt actually makes you an atheist, not an agnostic. Why is this so? Because the word 'theism' simply implies a belief in a god. Therefore, if you find yourself identifying yourself primarily as a doubter of the existence of a 'god', then you are an a-theist... someone who does not hold to a belief in a 'god', someone who does not accept the claims of theists. That's all the term means - a position of non acceptance, a position of non belief.
It is the fallback position, the position one holds to when a claim is unsupported or unproven. Yet, you might feel that the word 'atheist' still implies more than what you actually hold to. A common response to hearing that one is an 'atheist' is to say: "But I don't disbelieve, I just don't believe!" But take a look at those words carefully: if you literally "don't disbelieve" - then, by double negation, you'd believe! Not disbelieving is believing. But you are not identifying yourself as a theist with doubts, right? You're identifying yourself as a doubter... period. That is atheism.
So what does the word "agnostic" actually mean and how ought we use it? Notice the 'a' in front. 'Agnosticism' is a position counter to gnosticism. And what is gnosticism? It's the belief that a human being can possess knowledge about a god. It's an epistemological term - about the possibility of knowledge in regard to 'god' claims - and not a statement about matters of belief. 'Agnostics' hold to the epistemological position that human beings can't actually know anything about something beyond nature, something theists call 'supernatural'. So they believe that there's no way for a human to know anything about a 'god'. But there are many theists who agree!
Theists can be be agnostics! In fact, many theists say that they hold to their god belief on faith because they agree that we humans can't know things about the supernatural, or 'god'.