You too can get a medal you didn't earn! - Saving Jessica Lynch (2003) Discussion

[–] faz-7 20 years ago

Like perhaps... you did? or didn't from your obvious anger? or maybe you think that she was never in combat, never in danger, just driving along in her Humvee watching the camels trot by and rear ended an old Iraqi lady who stopped short in front of her. as I said in another post, you are pathetic.

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[–] BlackJAC 20 years ago

You're defending a propaganda piece that glorifies and rewards making enormous mistakes, and I'm the pathetic one? What made you decide to work on this? If it were me, I'd've demaned at least $5 million and would never have allowed my name to be spoken in the same conversation as it, much less be put in the credits. This is one huge fluff piece designed to keep everybody distracted from the fact that this whole operation was ill-planned and poorly justified.
I know one of the Marines who was first into Baghdad. He actually brought his entire platoon home alive and intact. Why not do a film about him? We can make it a comedy, following his efforts to introduce free journalism to the area by reassembling a looted media broadcast station and newspaper--it's funny because his bachelor's degree is in physics. Or is that too Operation DUMBO DROP for your conservative hero-desperate sojer-groupie sensibilities.

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[–] Master_X_3_1_1 20 years ago

all that lynch ever did was get knocked unconscious when her humvee crashed. If they're making a movie about the war actually do it on one of the heroes, like the people who rescued her, or even the Iraqi soldiers who fought even though they had no chance.

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[–] BlackJAC 20 years ago

Which leads us back to the starting post of this thread.

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[–] noahcamera 20 years ago

Read what Audie Murphy did to get the same medal Lynch did. Wow. Makes me want to puke.
Why don't we piss on all vets who were given this medal for what it is deserved for. Not for getting hurt in combat and taken prisoner. She didn't take out one enemy combatant or save anyone.
Terrible, terrible, terrible.

"The innocent shall suffer. Big time."
Ignignockt

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[–] BlackJAC 20 years ago

My late Uncle Nick was a POW, too. He was the sole survivor of a nine-plane B-17 strike the Nazis ambushed; the only other guy to actually bail out didn't survive the boat ride to land. He spent two years in captivity and had to find his own ride back to England. He only got an Air Medal.

If I find out you're wearing a Bronzie without having served, I am going to make things uncomfortable for you.
--The Janitor, Scrubs "My New Coat"

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[–] BlackJAC 20 years ago

We don't need another hero.
--Tina Turner

Nature abhors a hero.
--Solomon Short

Envy the country that has heroes. Pity the country that needs them.
--Denton van Zam, Reign of Fire

I don't work with heroes. They tend to die quickly and take other people with them.
--Lt. Scott Dillard, Massachusetts State Police; unproduced screenplay Combat Zone by Jeff Cross

Heroes occur when someone makes a mistake. We don't want any heroes today.
--anonymous US Army battallion commander during DESERT STORM

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[–] armisael 20 years ago

hmmm, it seems as though you're forgetting a few pieces of information.
A) Jessica Lynch actually refused to cooperate with NBC for this series, she actually tried to tell them no. They get their info from the Iraqi who helped rescue her.
B) It wasn't Jessica Lynch who got the entire platoon lost in the desert. Other people took the wrong turn too.
c) I don't think that people glorify Private Lynch so much as the fact that she was rescued. The fact that the army saying "Leave no man behind" was actualized.

So before you try to slam people with your skewed viewpoint, find some facts first. The world doesn't revolve around you, so lose the victim complex and get rid of that huge chip you seem to have on your shoulder.

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[–] BlackJAC 20 years ago

A) And yet she didn't file an injunction against NBC to keep it from happening. Nor did she refuse the book deal she was offered; I'm A Soldier Too: The Jessica Lynch Story should be hitting the shelves sometime soon. The fact of the matter is that if she'd remained a civilian she'd be sending in audition tapes to The Real World or Survivor or whatever other hot reality TV show is on because she wants the fame.
B) So why not focus on those who actually did get captured? Hell, why not focus on 2LT Seth Moulton, USMC, who was one of the first into Baghdad, brought his entire platoon home alive and intact, and got the honor of reassembling an Iraqi journalism outfit consisting of a newspaper, radio station and TV station? That's a bit more uplifting as it involves success and reconstruction, not screwups.
C) And yet there have been other POW rescues that have gone unnoticed because the people involved weren't young blonde girls using Uncle Sugar to pay her way through state college. My late Uncle Nick was a POW during World War Two, the sole survivor of an ambushed nine-plane B-17 strike. He spent two years starving in some Luft-Stalag somewhere in Germany, and had to find his own ride home on VE Day. His highest decoration was an Air Medal. Seems kinda unbalanced, dontcha think?

So before you try to slam people with your skewed viewpoint, find some facts first. The world doesn't revolve around you, so lose the pathetic apologies and get rid of that sojer-groupie mentality that's blinding you to the fact that they've overinflated all this.

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[–] armisael 20 years ago

first of all, Miss Lynch can't do anything to stop NBC from making the movie. The information was publicly released therefore they are liscenced to use it.

I'm sure that if there was a man rescued in the same way, they'd be making a movie about him. It just so happened to be a female that they managed to rescue

And I really don't give a flip about Uncle Nick. Why? Because there are other POW's that had the same thing. There are other Jessica Lynch's that got the same your uncle did. Some people just get singled out. It is fair, probably not. But that's life. And besides, if your uncle is anything like you, I'd rather not see a TV movie made about him.

and dearie, I apologize for nothing. I did NOT say that they WEREN'T overinflating this. I merely pointed out that your facts are biased. (hence the assumption that she'd be sending in videotapes to Reality TV shows)

grow up.

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[–] BlackJAC 20 years ago

Yes she could have stopped it. Ronald Reagan's a public figure but CBS relocated his miniseries to premium cable under intense outside political pressure. All it takes is a lawyer who's willing to make a big enough fuss. But she chose not too. She likes the fame, and she sure likes the money.

So basically, by your own admission, you hate America.

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[–] santor 20 years ago

There is much speculation on the actual "rescue".
Do you ever read any news outside of the US?
Finding facts in the corporate owned US Media outlets is impossible.
The rescue was Hollywood-ized as the rest of that crap.
Ask people in the Army how they feel about her. My best friend is stationed up in Fort Drum with a steel rod in his leg, many people have died. Where is the recognition for those soldiers???
She's not a hero, she's a zero.

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[–] rubi6047 20 years ago

My favorite piece of reported-outside-the-US news has to be the army shooting at her ambulance. Laugh track need-not apply.

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[–] Krog__ 20 years ago

"I don't work with heroes. They tend to die quickly and take other people with them.
--Lt. Scott Dillard, Massachusetts State Police; unproduced screenplay Combat Zone by Jeff Cross"

Just out of curiosity, you aren't perchance yourself Jeff Cross?

Funny Arnold site: http://www.angelfire.com/ky3/arnoldforgovernor

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[–] nammage 20 years ago

Jessica Lynch should have only received 2 medals. 1. The campaign medal (for fighting over there) and 2. the p.o.w. medal (yes, they have those) that is it, if she got the silver star or the bronze star or anything that is something given to a soldier that went above and beyond the call of duty or risked their lives to save another, she shouldn't have gotten, because I do not believe, from what I have read or heard on the news, she did any of those two.

All I heard, was that she was captured and thus a p.o.w.

So, if this poster feels he needs to be angry over such injustice, than why do you have to call him pathetic? Especially if what he states is 'true'?

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[–] BlackJAC 20 years ago

Belief creates manifest.
--Egon Spengler, on encountering the ghost of fictional character Sherlock Holmes; The Real Ghostbusters "Elementary My Dear Winston"

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[–] SanDiego 20 years ago

For anyone to devote so much of their life as you have to these posts can only mean you really have a hard-on for this girl. One doesn't have to be Sigmond Freud to figure out you have photos of her up on your wall. She's cute, so I don't have a problem with that, but I hope you are cleaning off the keyboard every time you post (pun intended). I am sure you are in complete denial over it (duh), but for the rest of us it's fun to read your little tantrums and reading the sexual tension between the lines. People like yourself who spend so much time on these subjects usually don't have much of a life and need these things for sexual gratification. Sorry I won't be logging on here again to find out your reply, I actually have a life and once is enough for anybody. So save yourself the trouble and instead of spending the time responding, use the time constructively. Go outside your little room and meet some people or discover a new hobby (even if you're physically challenged there are people who will help you get out of your room). Who knows, you might even get laid by someone who looks like Lynch! I am just trying to help you buddy, give it up, there is so much life out there to live. I know, because I'm living it.

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[–] BlackJAC 20 years ago

I'd sooner let a blind epileptic tattoo "American Pie Forever" on my forehead with an arc welder than give Jessica Lynch the time of day.

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[–] Turkeydevil 20 years ago

You talk the talk but can you walk the walk "Full Metal Jacket". You apparently were never in the service like your late Uncle. I'm sure he would not have been so critical of whatever medals she was given. Lots of people deserve medals they did not get because no one ever submitted them for the award. This usually is due to a superior never getting around to putting the paperwork in for the award. In Lynch's case it was followed on TV 24 hours a day. She was going to be the poster child thanks to the news media coverage. It is not her fault, it is the nature of today's world with instant coverage and instant gratification. I am sure your Uncle could have related to her situation much better than yourself having been a POW himself. I was in the military for over 20 years. I know many who have awards they received that their qualification for was suspect. I know others that received the Silver Star and Bronze Star who would tell you they don't deserve but it was the people who they were serving with who deserved it. If you have not been in the military in peace time or war time you really can't understand how it works and cannot make an intelligent criticism of what her reall situation was, especially from what information you see on television.

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[–] StarWarsIsMyLife 20 years ago

While it's largely the media's fault, it's unusual all she really did was say that she didn't want it to be blasted out of proportion. Despite that, she seemed to enjoy it all. And she's going to be a rich one.

While many not in the miltiary can't make a good judgement of Jessica Lynch's situation, you must still understand the facts that have been substantiated by official, not media sources. And you know what the facts are.

Personally, Jessica Lynch does not deserve the medal. I'm purely saying that from a straightforward, unbiased viewpoint. That Bronze Star is awarded for more than surrendering and getting captured.

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[–] Impertinent 20 years ago

Personally, Jessica Lynch does not deserve the medal. I'm purely saying that from a straightforward, unbiased viewpoint. That Bronze Star is awarded for more than surrendering and getting captured...

I've never seen a more dishonest piece of crap in my life. I'm convinced more than ever that women have no place in a combat zone, or even in the military! She's got herself a cool million, a book deal ( ghost written of course, she has yet to go to college on our dime! ) and she's gotten herself a savvy new, boyfriend from her "recuperative " period. To help her spend the million no doubt! The real suckers are all the little high school girls who're going to enlist after they see this dog of a story. How about a story on the Lt. Col. who's now up for a cout martial cause he fired a 45 near the ear of a captured terrorist, thereby obtaining a confession from the bearded scumbag and saving his men's lives?

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[–] BlackJAC 20 years ago

It's a confession under duress and therefore legally questionable: if you had a gun to your head, I'm certain you'd own up to kidnapping the Lindbergh baby just to save your own life.

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[–] StarWarsIsMyLife 20 years ago

What exactly was a dishonest piece of crap?

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[–] BlackJAC 20 years ago

Nick was very critical of Bush, and there have been other POWs who had low opinions of this whole situation. And Lil' Jessie could've stepped forward at any time and said no, but she chose not to--amazing how easily a million-dollar book deal can cloud some teenager's judgment, isn't it? What's worse is that you're validating all of this insanity. I know one of the first Marines into Baghdad; why not do something on him, or is the fact that he brought his entire squad home alive and intact not good entertainment?
Incidentally, I did consider the Navy after college, but my biographical inventories on the officer aptitude test were the absolute minimum acceptable scores.

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[–] rubi6047 20 years ago

Wow man, you're a real moron.
Yeah, that's all I have to say: you're an idiot, plain and simple.
Cut the long-winded Freudian *beep* and go back to sucking whosever dick you were sucking at the DoD.

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[–] StarWarsIsMyLife 20 years ago

Well said.

What upsets me is the ignorance of certain kinds of people.

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[–] degraw23 20 years ago

Quote from Jessica Lynch- "They used me to symbolize all this stuff. I did not shoot, not a round, nothing…I went down praying to my knees. And that's the last I remember."

She's also said she joined the military in the first place so that she would be able to take advantage of benefits that would help her be able to go to college and become a teacher. This is more interesting to me than anything else that's come out of the whole Jessica Lynch phenomenon. The military is the biggest employer of young people in this country under the age of 24. All this talk of whether or not she's a "hero" aside I am personally much more concerned about the fact that working class young people are risking their lives in the hopes of securing a sustainable future.

I don't know maybe it's my (admitted) middle-class guilt but I never had to risk my life to get an education and I don't think anyone else should have to either. Higher education should always be affordable for everyone. These kids are so young. Jessica Lynch is so young to risk so much just to live her life. And I'm not even going to get into the politics of this war which are shameful to me. I'll leave it at that.

Sure Lynch is going to cash in with her book deal and she'll be fine financially but what about everyone else that didn't get their 15 mins of fame (and isn't "cute," white and blond/which is of course at least part of the reason why such a big deal is being made about her/and as more women join the military we will continue to see this confused representation in the media of them as brave yet helpless/women soldiers are a complicated thing for us to process as a society and I say that as a woman). Bottom line billions of dollars are being spent on this war and as far as I can see things aren't getting too much better for poor people in this country/as well as around the world (hasn't Bush been cutting benefits to soldiers as well??).

This is what I think about when I think of Jessica Lynch. Anyway although she claims she has no memory of it haven't doctors confirmed that she was raped while a prisoner of war? Have a little emphathy for her. She's been through hell anyway you slice it. The whole "hero" debate is so silly.

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[–] anneb9 20 years ago

I admit she has been through hell. I mean who would wanna break both legs and arm anyway, but I admit that it seems after the Vietnam War, they are giving out medals like prizes you win at a fair. Just my opinion, don't stab me with it.

Fubar.

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[–] Filmfan-31 20 years ago

Not to mention she was given the only bed in the hospital with constant medical attention 24 hours.
The funniest part of this whole ordeal? The first interviews on tv with her father when he was asked about her being shot, he said something like..."No, she wasn't shot." The next interview "I can't comment about that."

Peter: It's his sled from when he was a kid. There, I just saved you two long, boobless hours.

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[–] Reshpeckobiggle 17 years ago

C'mon, that was hilarios.

Couldn't see the pun with "post"?

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