I haven't seen the movie but the sheer existence of it is disturbing in itself... But maybe in future we can have "prettied up"/jingoistic Made for TV versions of the above heroic American battles against the weak and defenceless... It's a pity that Reifenstahl or Eisenstein are not with us because with their vision both movies could work - but i think a Michael Bay or Jerry Bruckheimer could work it...
share<< But maybe in future we can have "prettied up"/jingoistic Made for TV <<versions of the above heroic American battles against the weak and <<defenceless.
ahh.. are you serious orca? who are you calling weak and defenseless? The terrorists we arrested and put in Abu Ghraib? wake up and smell the jihad buddy. what we did to the prisoners at abu ghraib, while technically can be called torture.. .is no worse than frat house initiation pranks... are you telling me that we are going to treat these KILLERS with kid gloves? Sure... yeah.. if you and your liberal buddies had your way there would be no military. We all would have just held hands, smoked a huge joint and sang kum bai ya after 9/11 and prayed that everything would be ok..im sure that would dhave scraed off the terrorists!
and I assume you mean My Lai, vietnam, the story of the massacre at the hands of Lt. William Calley. On that subject... until you are in a war, in combat on the front lines where women and children and civilians waiving white flags are coming and and blowing themselves up killing your friends I don't think you qualify to comment on the subject. Don't judge someones actions in combat unless you have been put under those circumstances yourself.
I am not making a comment in particular about the historical incidents themselves (although in both cases there is considerable doubt as to their propriety - but i will give them the benefit of the doubt) - by any stretch of the rational imagination - i am refering to the trumped up, jingoed up c##p that gets trotted out by the Hollywood or Made For TV Industrial Brainwash Complex... Just for the record i am not Liberal Scum - but i don't like the unquestioning faith that the so called Conservative Masses have in the Jokers that lead your teenagers (remember - your nations future...)into a meat grinder on increasingly false pretenses... and they use trash like above to fool kids into thinking that the whole shebang is one big adventure with patriotic music and the lot... Can you prove to me that you are even arresting/hazing (as you argue)/torturing the right "Terrorists"???... I am - i assure you Rumparound not trying to besmirch the people serving or having served - cause as you said don't judge til you've been - but i honestly thought we were past this BS propaganda after WWII... how far we have come and little we have learned... Where is Truman when we need him???...
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You are an idiot. Calley was not ordered. Once again instead of placing fault where it belongs, like at Abu Garib, dictator loving fools like you try to push the fault up the chain of command.
shareAfter the My Lai Massacure was over all the soliders took turns and covered up the scene of the crime and had lunch.
shareFunny how you ignore the other points brought up, such as how 1/2 the prisoners in Abu Grahib were randomly picked up. You then move on and call the person who brings up this unforunate point a dicatator lover. Awesome debating skills, you rank right up there with Goebells himself.
shareHow about 'The Heroes Of Abu Ghraib'... or 'The Heroes of Mae Lai'
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Whow, this thread is the epitome of poor intellectual skills. You guys who know, you know who you are, how can you keep argue with these lesser minds? They will only waste your time that you could spend elsewhere.
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At least they were in prison. The criminal American soldiers who murdered, raped and tortured many Iraqis are almost all still free.
My Lai (not Mae Lai) were civilians, and there was no suggestion of crimes. In any event, even if they were are Viet Cong supporters, why are you justifying extra judicial killings of people on political grounds? That reasoning would justify the killing by Al Qaeda of most Americans.
My Lai was an atrocity, and the fact that Americans did it does not make it any less horrible. Nothing - NOTHING - justifies what happened there, any more than the hugely illegal 'secret' carpet-bombing of Laos and Cambodia by US B-52s in the early 70s can be justified. My Lai was totally illegal, totally unecessary, and anyone who says there was an excuse for it is either a fool or an apologist for American war crimes. It's that simple. And don't come at me with all that 'They were worse' or 'They were as bad as us' crap. The whole point of being the 'good guys' is NOT doing what the baddies do, you cretins. That applies now in Gitmo and Abu Ghraib and the CIA's no-longer secret torture camps in Eastern Europe, as it should have applied in Vietnam.
Read the chapter on My Lai in John Pilger's "Hidden Agendas" and make up your own mind rather than abusing me. Trust me, you're just wasting your time doing the latter. Pilger is who Micheal Moore wishes he was - a journalist who tells it as it is and has never sold out.
I wonder if any of you jingoistic Americans are still defending the illegal and utterly pointless invasion and occupation of Iraq.
My Lai was a major war crime. Several villages and hamlets attacked, many civilians - almost entirely women and children - rounded up and shot, houses burnt down. An entire company of the US army was involved. This was not the actions of one nutter. It was on a scale comparable to Nazi or Soviet war crimes. And of course not one person was held accountable. That makes the entire US regime culpable.
Produced by NBC, why not the Pentagon. Might as well have been. A croc of crap this whole story. Manufactured for the public (much like George's Mission Accomplished BS on the aircraft carrier - remember that one?). We all fell for it.
And don't go giving me any Liberal bs accusations cause i'm the furthest thing from it. I'm just sick of being deceived. We should all be ashamed.