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Izo Horrible Piece of Work!!!!!

posted 19 years ago by ginjajake
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First of all I will start by saying people are going to reply to this saying "oh Takeshi Miike so different you didn’t understand it, it’s to deep for you, watch a die hard film".

I love his previous work the same with a similar director David Lynch both good directors there work thought provoking etc. however this film was terrible it started well, but please I find it so funny when people write a review saying something like this "I enjoyed this film so much so thought provoking but didn’t understand any of it" how stupid is that people like things they don’t understand because they want to come across as intelligent or deep thinking.

having worked for Mitsubishi for 2 years and am currently studying Japanese at university I can speak the language pretty well and I understand there structure of grammar well in this film there was a high level of Japanese therefore some of the higher level stuff can not be directly translate to English there is your first problem, this film is so dialogue based which is a big reason people find it hard to understand, the philosophy was poorly executed on film having a guy kill people in fact everyone for no real reason other then he needs to find a path he’s lost etc.

the camera work was poor the cast good but poorly used (like the great Beat) the budget was huge and the effects were poor, one of the reasons film like Audition and Rabbits were so good is the budgets were so low and needed strong dialogue and good direction this film had none of this. BEFORE YOU START SAYING THE SCRIPT WAS GOOD HALF OF IT WAS TRANSLATED POORLY SO IF YOU LIKE THE TRANSLATION DONT THANK MIIKE AS HE DIDNT INTERPRETE AN ENGLISH SCRIPT.

The only person who I can imagine to love this love is a native Japanese speaker who likes samurai revenge films which apply the views of the philosopher Nietzsche

By the way I’m a fan of miike he has done for surreal film what Wong kai wai has done for love stories but been a fan he should have done better with a strong cast and big budget

[–] outlawsoul1978 19 years ago

I disagree wholeheartedly. In all honesty, I think it's one of the best things Miike has ever done. The film served as a perfect sublimation of all the weird *beep* that inhabits this guy's world as a director. I think the real problem was that YOU didn't get the film and therefore it didn't do much for you. Personally I understood it just fine, although I did watch it twice in hopes that my understanding of the film would be more solidified the second time around. Izo is not killing people for no reason. He is a vengeful spirit at war with all of creation. Providence and its earthly counterparts are one and the same to Izo. There can be no good without evil, no black without white, etc. Dynamic opposites define one another, and Izo is the absurd bi-product of universal harmony and perfection. And while I normally condemn philosophy as little more than the rambling inanities of the damned (I'm a science guy, myself), I didn't find the heavy-handed philosophical aspect of this film to be at all detrimental to its overall quality. It's a superbly crafted fable, borrowing the main character from Hideo Gosha's film 'HITO-KIRI' as a vehicle for a sprawling yarn. And what a fun story it was.

[–] hagakure_roshi 19 years ago

>>And what a fun story it was.<<

Not to mention the guitar player, awesome.

On the great way there is no gate but a thousand paths to choose from.

[–] bradley-hadcroft 18 years ago

look mate, the whole point of the movie is that it means different things to different people.understanding the flick is not important.what is important is that you watched it.To say the cinamatography is bad just shows an achingly bad lack of intelligence.go watch a die hard movie you oaf.

[–] mickeluna 17 years ago

Did anybody even notice his mother holding on to the tree, with no bottom half, still hanging there and talking? TALKING?

That is superb?

That is STUPID

I watched the whole movie and laughed the entire way through it. It wasn't a thriller film, it was pure comedy from (almost beginning) to end. The beginning scene was awesome, and from then on, it dropped like a leper's skin.

The woman who he talked about having sex with had a MAN talking for her. How can that even be THOUGHT of as serious? Why would the translators use a man for a woman and say the word "lovepot" for any other reason other than comedic relief?

If the movie was meant to be funny, then it was indeed hilarious...

If it was meant to be serious, it was a complete BOMB.

If you even try to compare Izo to a movie like Ichi the Killer, there's something terribly wrong with you. Ichi was amazing. Izo was absolute facetiousness.

[–] daniloflores23 19 years ago

Could you please tell me where exactly you detected Nietzsche's views in this delirium D:?

[–] boilingman-2 19 years ago

Not having a direct reference to anything Nietzsche based the concept of the film overall had a pretty Nietzsche aligned message, it was pretty obvious.

Where Izo concerns themes shared by Nietzsche's Ubermensch & God is Dead theories for example.

[–] daniloflores23 19 years ago

Ah, right. If you really believe Izo's awkward pseudo-atheist drivel, when he's massacring the Buddhist leader, is related to Nietzsche's "God Is Dead"-idea, then you must - if at all - have only very superficial knowledge of his philosophy ...

"God Is Dead" does not mean "There is no God".
It means, considering the addition "And we have killed it!", that the people of the 19th century have lost their faith in the Christian god and now begin to believe in nothing; this is the beginning of "nihilism", which is no "ideology", but a latent social phenomenon.

Furthermore Nietzsche's Übermensch is no metaphysic time-travelling Immortal, but simply the very human, even allzumenschlische, overwhelmer of nihilism. So far.

Nietzsche is Misunderstood. Nietzsche remains misunderstood. And you've missunderstood him!

[–] boilingman-2 19 years ago

I'm quite well aware of Nietzsche's "God Is Dead" theory & no i didn't turn to the person next to me during the Scene in which Izo kills the Abbot & like some kind of narrow minded fool proclaim "Oh look! He's killing that guy what said he was God! that’s just like what that guy Nietzsche said, you know; God is Dead"

I'm well aware of Nietzsche's theory & how it relates to the gradual decline of belief systems in society.

Izo to my mind reflected some of Nietzsche's theory in that; the overall concept of Izo was to explore the idea of creating a personification of something that can mercilessly fly in the face of every single facet of the building blocks of Society & humanity.

Age, Youth, Capitalization, Greed, Government, Genders, Political Correctness, History, Crime & several more I can't recall.

And most importantly RELIGION

Izo killed several holy men yes, he did this for the same reason he killed everyone else, that being simply; He didn't care for rules or discipline or wrath. He conceptually is something that cannot be compromised by rules, discipline or wrath. This Includes God(s) demonstrating that he can kill holy men without remorse as he takes no interest in their belief systems, he's the boiling point of a society that clashes & no longer works. This means to this particular extent; Loss of Faith, or as Nietzsche put it "God is dead"

Try not to assume all people posting on message boards are clueless. That’s how you make an ass out of "u" and "umption".

[–] squelcho 19 years ago

Pardon me for intruding on this wonderful debate about Nietsche and how he liked his eggs fried.
I'm no philosophy graduate, but I can appreciate Miike setting up his targets and bowling them over without mercy.
As a theme, it's probably familiar to anyone who's watched the later works of Bunuel or Fellini. Miike just does it more abruptly, and with a more gleefully absurd hack n slash attitude to his iconoclasm.
The carved up newsreel footage of 20th century barbarity during the intro is a good clue as to the film's mressage. Humans are barbaric animals. They may clothe their misdeeds in fine mists of hypocrisy, but behind their duplicitous words, "history is written in blood". And continues to be.
How simple is that?

[–] boilingman-2 19 years ago

Fellini!

Good one, i hadn't thought of the similarity, Izo definitely had the same sense of ever moving, ever changing, ever puzzling pace you'd get out of Fellini.

Nice Call.

[–] ryuhei_kitamura 17 years ago

And you've missspelled misunderstood (which, incidentally, also works as an ironic metaphor for your post). Nietzsche, the way I understood him (and his philosophy has always been discussed controversially), meant exactly There is and has never been any God by saying that God is dead; for the Übermensch, who is able to live without any meaning in this world, will have dispensed with the Christian God which was created by the feeble minds of the weak anyway. Zarathustra, who announces that God is dead, sees that people are not ready for his revelations. So the Übermensch is more of a prophecy, not a fact or a latent social phenomenon.

Apart from that, I wouldn't really call Izo nihilist except in the sense that it shows a human being struggling to find meaning in a modern world that is devoid of any. Let me repost what I wrote in another thread:

(replying to a critique that argues that the film is as shallow as a repetitive video game like Double Dragon)
Well, intermediality, especially in the form of incorporating patterns of video games, has often been part of Miike's films. Izo is constructed not like a film with a plot (actually it cannot possibly have a plot) but has a circular structure. I didn't really see the intended reference until you pointed it out, thanks.

But, contrary to something else somebody here has said, I think Izo is rather an anti-existential film. One could say that the central character has only one choice and necessarily makes the wrong one. From this point on the film is structured like some kind of bhuddist hell, with the central symbol being an infinite loop in which Izo is trapped because his negative karma won't let him escape.

Additionally, it's told from a very modern perspective: Izo is looking for possibilities to find meaning and sense, but he finds none: love, security, religion, politics, the body, all of these are a lie and almost dead anyway.

Cough, so this is my view of the film, feel free to comment anyone.

[–] brokenstar-1 19 years ago

The figure eight, "the night is deep", life is to destroy each other and have sex, you are free to do anything because nothing is true, etc. etc.: open your eyes.
It's a true expression of one experience, not cribbed off of a higher authority's "views", like you'd do it and can only imagine anything.

[–] RossLikesMovies 19 years ago

I thought the film was apalling. Just this IZO guy going and killing random people. The violence isn't even cool or exciting. Just boring, boring dreck. An utter waste of celluloid. Shame on you Takashi Miike for making this god awful pile of donkey turd.

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[–] brokenstar-1 19 years ago

You probably don't like it cause you are religious and moralic, not because the movie is bad in reality.
Izo is free, you are not, homie, and the pain is the price for being free, alas you are weak, homie

[–] mickeluna 17 years ago

I doubt that somebody has to be religious and moralic not to like this movie. It was the same thing over and over again. As soon as he was done killing somebody he was instantly confronted with another hack-n-slash. That quickly gets boring when there's nothing else but constant slash after slash after slash after slash and his annoying laryngitic "ahhhhhhhh" after every swing, homie.

[–] Mentalillnesscredentials 18 years ago

"Killing random people" that's exactly right. Now relate it. The film is less of mess (wow, rhyme) than the events that insprired it.

[–] sobreiro 19 years ago

You understand "there" structure of grammar?

[–] RossLikesMovies 19 years ago

Congrats on correcting my grammar but this is a movie forum and we were talking about the crappiness of the movie IZO.

[–] mrdandylionface 19 years ago

izo was the fawkin bomb...anyone who disagrees can eat a dick...miike style

[–] RossLikesMovies 19 years ago

why did you like it? It was boring, unexciting, drivel. Tell me why you liked it. Probably for the reasons I hated it. I'm guessing you enjoy just watching bloody set piece after another and then calling it deep as izo kills religious people. OOOH. The action isn't even good. The fights are badly choreographed and filmed, theirs no excitement or styloe, just crap. A poor poor film.

[–] treblabla 19 years ago

hehe i love this movie!!!

[–] haydenlad 19 years ago

I am so impressed by Miike at this point that he could direct a child licking a lollipop for a hour and a half and I would watch it. And most likely reccomend it. He is out there and loose. I like his free spirit and his ability to just conjure up images. That's it. He's amazing. He's has better stuff like Gozu but who cares. It's still a Miike film.

[–] RossLikesMovies 19 years ago

Funny how you all ignored the why do you like this film question...

[–] brokenstar-1 19 years ago

If I may speak up again: what you don't like about it, that's that the flick doesn't adulate you: It simply doesn't care about people like you, and in its eyes you are nothing. Boring? If it really had bored you, you wouldn't come back to this msg board every week to talk it down. Violence not cool? The violence here is not stylish, right, and you hate that, because raw as it is it's not a pose and it hurts you. One bloody set piece after another? It shows you just couldn't see anything anymore when so much blood was near you.
I myself can't really say what I liked about the movie. I was appalled too but in the end, maybe all that violence is a disguise of the purity. One thing I can say for sure is this: Izo shows us that there is no entity, deity, whatever above us, that words like "guilt" "penalty" "redemption" "reason" etc. were made by humans to gain power and control over humans, but only have power over one if one does in fact believe in them. Hell doesn't exist, heaven doesn't exist - the Earth is a circle. Everything is allowed, nothing is true. The implications of the symbols used are endless, you just have to have to guts to allow yourself following even only one.

The biggest praise for this movie actually comes from the fact that you're not over it with three sentences, and that it cannot be explained conventional at all (except for quickly stating it was dreck, drivel, waste of celluloid etc, nothing overall).
As I said before, probably you're religious and moralic. Now I think you like this movie, but it cannot co-exist with your belief, you are troubled, you want somebody to finish it off for you (by "explaining" it, so you can "shoot back", and be morally satisfied), but you won't get it that easily. So think for yourself, or remove that "LikesMovies" in your name and replace it with "SleepsThroughMoviesWithOpenEyes".

[–] mikeyhaff 19 years ago

very well put brokenstar. and ... anyone that has a complaint in the first place over the film ... have you tried watching it a second or third time? because most likely you are feeling indifferent to it right now (after your first viewing) and your natural reaction is to hate it because of its graphic nature. yet, if you gave it another whirl, you "haters" might find something deeper in it that you might not have noticed before.

[–] akvarelis 18 years ago

This movie isnt about fights.

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[–] strohmsj 18 years ago

>> why did you like it? It was boring, unexciting, drivel. Tell me why you liked it. Probably for the reasons I hated it. I'm guessing you enjoy just watching bloody set piece after another and then calling it deep as izo kills religious people. OOOH. The action isn't even good. The fights are badly choreographed and filmed, theirs no excitement or styloe, just crap. A poor poor film.

I agree 100%. I hated Gozu, too. I'm all for different open-ended stuff, I actually prefer it. I love David Lynch movies. I just cannot stand Miike movies anymore, they are so boring and feel so pointless, and the philosophical drivel throughout this movie really didn't help with the non-stop murder scenes. I just.. hated the film. :/

[–] mickeluna 17 years ago

Wait a minute.. are you saying that Miike does that? Don't diss Miike while you're trying to stick up for him. That's stupid.

Miike is one of the best in the business. It's just unfortunate that Izo isn't one of his best. That's all. We're allowed not to like something that Miike made without disliking Miike.

[–] Zombichi 19 years ago

bravo brokenstar-1, well put

[–] doubleclick75 19 years ago

I could be wrong about this, but the movie seemed pretty clear to me. My fiancee is a Buddhist, so I've read a fair amount from the books and some complete books. It seemed to me that Izo had died in Samsara and had been reborn in a hell realm due to the karma he had developed as a killer. This is not like a Christian Hell, which is either eternal torment or something a soul can exit by repentence - a hell realm involves simple endurance of torment until the karma is balanced. Izo has little choice in his actions within this realm, since the continual horror and his karma have altered him.

This seemed to be explained fairly clearly in the script, such as in the children's questions and the references to Izo having been reborn to a 'meaningless place' (there may be even more in it beyond what I could read from the translated subtitles).

It does become a bit extreme in places, it's true. There were points where I was beginning to find the film almost funny as yet another old enemy of Izo's appeared on screen (looking at my watch, giving the new character approximately 45 seconds to say his/her piece before being sliced to ribbons by Izo).

It's perfectly possible that I'm wrong as I say but it all ties in so closely with Buddhist philosophy, and the movie makes constant references to karma, that I think Ginjajake should look at his/her own possible misunderstanding of the movie rather than raging about everyone else's shortcomings. Quite what this has to do with Nietsche, I can't fathom.

[–] boilingman-2 19 years ago

Interesting take.

Can you go into anymore depth on your understanding? i'd be interested to hear more.

[–] Randy-the-Ram 19 years ago

I think most here have vented my views toward your short sighted analysis of this move so let me just say this ginjajake.

I've very proud for you grasp of the Japanese language. Perhaps you will fair better with that language then you do with English. Oh! You didn't pre-empt that one; did you cool guy? Haha! Also, you haven’t the slightest grasp on Nietzsche buddy ;>)

Good day sir.

[–] bayushi-sam 19 years ago

I didnt like this movie, at first it just seemed like random stuff was going on. I started to get the whole idea of rebirth and breaking karhma with the budism themes, but i thought this movie sucked. I felt so bored watching it, and just wanted to finish it with the hopes that it would make some sense. Which it didnt. This goes down with Ichi the Killer, another great film. /sarcasm

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[–] sexy_dancer 19 years ago

Visitor Q is the funniest movie I have seen in years. And so sweet as well. You've just got to take it as an exaggeration, not as a literal statement.

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[–] Nephilim-6 19 years ago

I also happen to think Visitor Q is histerical. Yes it's outragious. Yes it's extreme. But it's a big joke on reality TV.

Think about this. Why do people watch reality TV? They want to:
-be entertained at the expense of others
-see outragious things

What does Visitor Q do:
Show exactly that and exagurates that to such an extreme that confronts the viewers with their own limits. In a sense it plays a joke on their own bad taste.

I love it.

Did you ever notice that people who believe in creationism look realy un-evolved? - Bill Hicks

[–] Randy-the-Ram 19 years ago

But you see, therein lies the difference between you, me, and others that find this movie repulsive. It makes me want to:

1. Puke
2. Take a hot shower
3. Purge my eyes with Visine

Seriously, I like like many others. Battle Royale was great. I thought Suicide Club was midly entertaining even without a cohesive plot, I love Ghibli [Studios], Oldboy was A++++, Pulse so-so, Loved One Missed Call (also puns at J-Reality TV, btw; albeit not too this extent), and I have a slew of stuff just waiting to be viewed (i.e. Cure, Gozu, Two Sisters, Bittersweet Life, Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance, TaegukGi, Crying Fist, The Eye 1 & 2, Hana-bi and Last Life in the Universe) and I just ordered Versus. Also not just Japanese, I love Gilles Adrien's works (i.e. City of Lost Children, Delicatessen), and I'm about to try out Brazil's City of God and (German?) Lola Rennt. Then there's some great UK stuff I won't even go into. Just mentioning some of this stuff to illustrate I have an open mind for different works/tastes, but this movie, is just to perverse, even for my desensitized buds. I can't find anything remotely humorous about raping one's dead daughter, or sawing someone's head in that cotext even though, it's vaguely familiar of Iron Chef meets Zatoichi. No, admittely, that wasn't too bad. I probably could have blew that part off if it werent for the necrophilia with his OWN daughter and those nasty tits that needed incessant milking. It just was... simply too sick, to the point of no marginal return in the form of laughter. Do you get what I mean now?

Different Strokes for different folks I guess.

[–] Nephilim-6 19 years ago

ofcourse people have different bounderies of tollerance :) I hear ya.

btw the dead woman was his boss I believe. Not his daughter. She gets hit in the head with a brick in the end by the mysterious visitor who is helping them become a somewhat orderly family again. In their own weird ways

Did you ever notice that people who believe in creationism look realy un-evolved? - Bill Hicks

[–] Randy-the-Ram 19 years ago

yeah, i've read it was his co-worker. How confusing. He has sex with his daughter, then she makes fun of him, then when he strangles the co-worker (whom he also had sex with but they never show us), he sez something like, "Am I going long enough for you?". Remember his daughter made fun of him about his... ahem.. "duration of performance". So that's why I assumed I suppose. They did look alike to me.

[–] Nephilim-6 19 years ago

He didn't have sex with the coworker before(as far as I can remember). She was just his coworker. Only after she's dead he sleeps with her for the sake of going to the extremes of reality tv. And they show that(sorta).

Did you ever notice that people who believe in creationism look realy un-evolved? - Bill Hicks

[–] Nephilim-6 19 years ago

I love Izo. And I don't speak native Japanese. I don't pretend to understand all of it but I think I sorta get it.
Besides which that guitar/singer guy is AWESOME.

Did you ever notice that people who believe in creationism look realy un-evolved? - Bill Hicks

[–] jorgddh 19 years ago

Who is Gilles Adrien? I thought that "City of lost children" and "Delicatessen" were directed by Jean Pierre Jeunet and Marc Caro.
Anyway, i loved this movie, which was generally despised in every festival where was screened. When all the critics bash a movie... that must be a good signal.
And the violence in this movie is not cool, because it's not what pretend to be. Films about "violence" never portrait violence like something exciting, it would be an oxymoron ("were trying to critisize the violence in the human nature... look how cool are the fights!"). Is cool the violence in "Clockwork orange"? (understand me, i'm not comparing it with "Izo"), hell, no.

[–] Randy-the-Ram 19 years ago

He was the writer...

"Films about "violence" never portrait violence like something exciting, it would be an oxymoron"

IMO, films do this all the time. Hell, that's the majority of intrigue in violent-oriented movies. Further, I don't think it's necessarily an oxymoron, as exciting isn't intrinsically "good". Good people indirectly like violence on film BECAUSE of the excitement factor. Perhaps that's the oxymoron.

[–] jorgddh 19 years ago

Well, I watch lots of violent movies and i'm a good person. Oh, I forgot, i'm not a good person.
Thanks for the info. Hey, Babanoosh, I recommend you a spanish film called "Arrebato", absolutely great and weird.

[–] Randy-the-Ram 19 years ago

I like a lot of violent movies too, but I'm kind of getting burned out by the sick and morbid (Miike's movies for example). I'm thinking Korean and Japanese Drama, and of course American flicks. Oh, and I just love the more popular Chinese ones too; Hero is one of my favs!

Yikes, no posts on your suggestion though huh? And hard to come by it seems. If I see it, I'll check it out. Thanks.

[–] RossLikesMovies 19 years ago

Its very easy, at least to me, to simply watch violent/sick movies to see how nasty things will get. Although I'm kinda past that faze (sp?) after watching films like cutting moments and men behind the sun which make me squirm with disgust. I'm desensitised and can now move on to films with better plots and more beauty. Christmas in august and samaria for example. I've also found shock in older films which have violence. Well, not violence per se, but stuff that was considered shocking back in the 50's. Eg the violence in Samuel Fullers pick up on south street. Shocking for its time and all.

[–] Randy-the-Ram 19 years ago

Ross,

I think I am misunderstanding your post. It would seem (at least to me) that you needed to watch violent, horrifying, and disgusting films in order to appreciate the finer films you mentioned (i.e. Christmas in August).

So, you wouldn't have otherwise enjoyed different genre type foreign films had you not been desensitized? Perhaps I'm not following your wording because that doesn't make sense to me for obvious reasons.

Or is it, rather, you've just had your share of the macabre and you've moved on?

Anyway, I haven't had an oppurtunity to see many of the films you mentioned. They seem really on the down low "limited release" scene. I've also within the last year really started taking a look at foreign cinema.

Favs:
I like classics like the Grapes of Wrath. I like stuff I grew up on like the Last Star Fighter ,Cherry 2000, and the Never ending Story. I like new and old American Horror films by Clive Barker, John Carpenter, Wes Craven and many others inc. House of 1000 Corpses (really one of my favs). I like serial suspense thrillers such as Silence of the Lambs, Seven and so on. Although I pretend to steer away from romance dramas, I liked The Notebook, Stella, Mermaids etc.. I love Sci-Fi (Dark City, Riddick, Star Wars). I love all the epics (LOTR, Ben-Hur, Gladiator etc.).I enjoy Comedies all around the board from Gleason up to present day; indy to slapstick hollywood comedy.

Foreign stuff I've ENJOYED in no particular order

-One Missed Call (probably the only Mikke film I liked although still have VS. on queue).
-Ringu
-Kikujiro
-Oldboy
-Battle Royale
-Crouching Tiger
-Kung Fu Hustle
-Fat Pizza
-Lock Stock, and two smoking barrels
-TaeGukGi
-Grave of the Fireflies
-Pulse
-Ong Bak

I've seen a lot more I didn't like or just can't remember at the moment (i.e. memories of murder, Izo, Audition, Visitor Q, Dark Water, the Grudge [J], The Happiness of the Katakuris, Suicide Club)

I know there's more but I can't think any...

I do have a lot lying around that I just haven't go to yet, but look promising

A Bittersweet Life
City of God
House of Flying Daggers
Zatoichi
Uzumaki
Gozu
The Eye 1 and 2
Hana-bi
Cure
Crying Fist
Rashomon
A Tale of Two Sisters
Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance
Spring Summer Fall Winter and Spring

And. That’s about it…. That’s me in a nutshell, perhaps unsolicited docu-drama but seemed worth mentioning…

[–] jorgddh 19 years ago

I have a friend whom i'm always sending e-mails recommending several movies, and one of my personal jokes is one section i call "NO HAY HUEVOS", something like "there's no balls". In this section i include weird stuff and... yes, violent films (lots of Miike here, i must say). But i also include romantic movies, like "Il mare", "Yomigaeri" and "Somewhere in time". I love those movies, but i have the feeling that my friend is going to watch the gore thing first, like if romantic films were a real challenge to deal with.
Simply, some people (not my friend, he's just a victim of my evil deeds)see more frightening and embarrasing the idea of watching this kind of material than the violent or the shocking. Perhaps, in some terms, some romantic films (normally the bad ones) fall in the same critic that the gory: the excess. So,some romantic and violent movies could be pretty the same, and could have the same faults, only in a different way.

My next "NO HAY HUEVOS" is going to be "Love letter", Shunji Iwai's gem, and the next... yes, definitively "Izo".

[–] Randy-the-Ram 19 years ago

Heheh... that's interesting. Thanks for sharing that :)

[–] dr_jeringo 19 years ago

Hey!! I´m the friend who receives the weekly recommendations bulletin from jorgddh, "Gorge" for the friends..thanks man for being so fuc...ng rare, since i met you i haven´t felt so alone in this crazy world..jejejejej...
Well, i don´t deal with romantic films as a challenge, it´s only that i don´t like that kind of movies; i can watch "Yomigaeri" for example and maybe i´ll like it, but it´s more exciting for me the idea of watching movies with "strange" characters and themes, i do see nothing unusual watching a couple kissing and showing their love, i do that everyday with my girlfriend, but watching a movie where the main character is a psychopath that chases someone to torture him/her is something strange that i´m not going to see in my daily existence (i hope), you know?
I´m not looking for violence or blood when i watch a film, but obviously i know what i don´t want to see, those things that bore me...love (at least for me) is for real life,as a theme for a movie it´s not embarrasing, most of the times it´s boring.
That doesn´t mean that i don´t want to watch romantic movies, it´s only that i prefer another kind of subjects, but if Jorge recommends me a movie i´ll watch it sooner or later cause i trust him and his judgement....sometimes it´s not the same as mine but when that happens i only *beep* in his judgement and we go on with our friendship.
The next movie? Izo, for sure...jejejejej

[–] jorgddh 19 years ago

Jeringo, if you have balls write a comment for that Carmen de Mairena movie you know. Come on, don't let me alone on this.

[–] dr_jeringo 19 years ago

I did my comment for that movie before i wrote this message motherf.....read it man!!!

[–] Randy-the-Ram 19 years ago

That's cool; So it's a sort of intrigue for you, a break from the ordinary, so to speak. I guess it's all about perception. I can enjoy a romantic flick (i.e. the notebook) equally (but different) as much as a horror movie (or the like). I might love someone, but that doesn't mean a good story even close to the same, but even if it were, not necessarily worse for it. Really though, when you use those terms as a criterion, it's a fallacy if you watch the World News plenty of bloodshed there there to make the sadistical movie moot no?

Just enjoy the movie for what it's worth I say; according to your personal taste. I've found that the older I get, the more open I am, to a more diverse array of movies.