Well I'm not saying to be 2 faced. I'm saying that this type of content has to be used in a discreet manner. There is an entire culture of this out there. There are comics, forums, and even groups who are fans of it in a tasteful manner. There are couples who enact scenes and even engage in wild and vivid role playing. However, they're not gonna just walk up to strangers or the public and disclose this.
I don't know if you watched this film in a theater or at home. But if it was in the privacy of your home then you are entitled to enjoy whatever content you want as long as it's not illegal or prohibited. If you were cheering and clapping in a theater full of people then that is not appropriate. Especially if there was a victim or friend/relative of a victim of assault present. Your behavior would be offensive at that point. And since you are not aware of who is present in an audience it is best to keep such emotions private like I mentioned before.
As far as apes, we are not apes because we live in a "civilized" society with established norms, rules, etiquette, and laws. Still, deep down inside we have a subconscious primitive side. I feel that this movie played upon a lot of that primitive aspect in a subliminal manner. And I will agree that the scene was arousing...and the build up to that scene throughout the movie was arousing also.
And BTW, there are many film makers who believe that society has become accepting of brutal violence, yet there is very little tolerance of sexual content. And I also believe this is the case as I mentioned in another post earlier. It's mainly because people stereotype the fans of this content...that if you are aroused by it, then you will do it or have done it. Or that you have psychological problems, or psychiatric problems, or you're a pervert, etc. Yet there are people who enjoy violence yet have never ever committed a violent act. There are people who laugh, cheer, clap, yell, and celebrate when Jason decapitates an innocent teenage girl while she is naked...but let the girl get raped and people are ashamed to even watch. You can even hear the sounds of disgust when this occurs. Again it's because getting your head chopped off is a moment of terror followed by a quick death. Assault carries trauma that endures for years. While we love to see an attractive young couple getting mutilated by Chuckie, we'd hate to see the emotions that go along with assault.
All in all society as a whole is not ready for this content in the mainstream. Maybe that's a good thing or maybe it's bad...I don't know. But the best thing is to be respectful and cautious in what you tell others about yourself. It's one thing to be true to yourself, but that doesn't mean you should tell everyone everything about yourself.
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mikeyflatley
12 years ago
there is some contradiction in ur 1st paragraph. it shudnt have 2 be dis way
exactly, we r not too different from animalz despite wat we believe
daz exactly da prob. so its ok 2 cheer 4 chuckie or jason despite da fact there may be victimz of murder in audience, but 4 rape and sexual assault, we must be quiet
hypocrisy is runnin rampant. wat does it tell u dat we must keep 2 ourselvez durin sexual scenez when da movie is showin us these scenez? how deranged is da director 4 showin us these scenez? why r they herald as grate figurez in society 4 showin us these sceenez? accordin 2 ur logic of society, these ppl dat recreated such scenez r sicker than da ppl enjoyin them but daz not da case is it?
I live, I love, I slay, and I'm content
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mic7440
12 years ago
I don't know where you saw that I contradicted myself. What I'm saying is that some things are accepted by a society while other things are not...even tho they may be similarly heinous. Every society is this way. There are rules that are upheld while others are allowed to be violated. As an example, there are townships around my area where you can drive 10 mph over the speed limit while in other towns you can't drive even 1 mph over. As a society progresses it is decided or agreed upon as to what is acceptable and what is not. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that's the way it is.
And as a member of society your obligation is to abide or be ridiculed and/or outcast. If you were in a theater and cheered at a gruesome murder scene, it would be considered rude because you're disturbing other viewers with such an outburst. But nobody would ridicule you for enjoying the scene. Now if you cheered at a rape scene, more than likely you would be confronted and even escorted out. Not only because you interrupted other viewers, but also because your actions are deemed inappropriate according to society. You can comply or be defiant but you can't blame a person for confronting you if you chose to act in an inappropriate manner. All the philosophical jargon in the world won't lend any hand to helping you explain yourself.
As far as the film makers, they get a lot of flak about the scenes they create. Gaspar Noe' received much ridicule for the movie Irreversible. Other movies that featured assault scenes were likewise ridiculed...the film makers were accused of glorifying assault and intentionally making assault look enticing. So yes, the viewers and film makers alike are ridiculed for these scenes.
Compared to animals, we are not far from them in that we do what they do. We kill, steal, etc. Yet we do so out of a conscious decision and often times for greed. Animals do such out of instinct to survive, protect, and mate. Not to mention that humans for the most part are more capable of civility.
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ranndino
12 years ago
There is absolutely nothing wrong with showing a rape scene & it's in no way disrespectful to any audience members. That's just plain ridiculous. Rape is part of life & since movies depict life it should be part of them too. Foreign movies show rape quiet often. It's precisely what's wrong with the American mindset. Certain things are OK to show (like extreme violence) yet when it has anything to do with sex it's taboo.
Lastly, if you think that as a member of society it is your duty to abide I feel sad for you. It's true that most people are sheep, but that doesn't mean you have to be one too.
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mic7440
12 years ago
Calm down, I was just telling it like it is. And it is disrespectful within our culture to show extensive rape. Why do you think there are rules that filmmakers abide by? Because certain things cannot be shown in a movie unless there is some kind of recompense for the action. Which means that in a fiction film, a character who rapes another character has to have some kind of action occur to him before the end of the movie. You ever notice that? And BTW, nowhere did I say I agree with typical American mindset...or any other mindset for that matter.
And yes it is your duty to abide to established laws, rules, norms. Which is why people don't go to restaurants and eat with their fingers. Or why it's improper to belch out loud in an eatery. Or why people don't just sneeze all over the place without excusing themselves. Or why you don't pick your nose or scratch your crotch before you shake another person's hand or touch items. None of these things are illegal, but nobody does it purposely. So like I said, it's inappropriate to just walk around talking about how much you enjoy rape scenes. Not because it's illegal, but because you'll make yourself open to ridicule while looking like a social deviant. If that's your desire then more power to you...it's your prerogative man. If you feel different then you're either a criminal or a very rude individual.
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