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James Franco ruined it for me


First of all I would never imagine Tristan looking like James Franco. He's doesnt have that british aristocratic knightly look, he just looks to american - i dont mean it as an insult but even physically he does not work as tristan.

Perhaps more importantly, he changed probably not more than two different facial expressions during the movie, neither of which was convincing. While I found Sophia Myles's performance excellent (and generally i think she's well cast) in their together scenes it's him who seemed blunt and fake: it's because of him that the chemistry between them didnt work. In terms of expressing emotions he was cheesy at best. Never could we read real torture, love, dilemma from his face.

He totally ruined it for me. I think the movie would've worked much much better if it wasnt for him, he totally killed the atmosphere, the feel of the movie. And it's a shame really, this movie could be good, had it gone just a little bit deeper, a little less cheesy, and of course, if it wasnt for franco.

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Not to insult either, but how could you say that? I have never read the books so I am not going to argue with you on that nor do I know how the author described the original Tristan in the books, so I speak on Franco's actings behalf--- he showed plenty of "torture, love dilemma" especially when he discovered the love of his life was going to marry the man he trusted and respected the most. In the scenes with all three of them with tears in his eyes he wouldn't let go.....that's torture, love, and dilemma written all over his face.

Again, I didn't read the books...only saw the movie and Franco was great. BUT, I do understand 100% what it is like to feel disappointed after you read a book, saw the movie, and you are left feeling empty because the movie didn't do the book justice. Just had to add in those two cents.

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I didn't think he was particularly good- very wooden and uncomfortable. Franco was not the director's choice- he didn't audition or anything. His casting was imposed by the studio in order to have a name to carry the film, and consequently I think he does seem somewhat out of his depth. Rumour has it that Kevin Reynolds wanted Henry Cavill (Melo) for the lead, after being impressed with him while working on The Count of Monte Cristo.

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I disagree with the OP. This was the first Franco performance I saw, and I adored it. I think he's an immensely talented actor who really gives a crap about his roles, and puts great thought and emotion into his performances. But I suppose all this is really just a matter of opinion.

In response to worldsbiggestshowoff, I don't doubt that he wasn't the directors choice, but I'm wondering why the studio would pick him to attach a name. When this movie was released, the only thing he was really known for was his role in "Freaks & Geeks". Some might mention his Spiderman role, but his was minor and I didn't know of one person who knew him by name.
I think Henry Cavill is also a great actor, but I can't picture him in the role.

To the OP: How can someone physically "look" American? I thought he was physically great for the role. Of all the different adapatations I've read, I think (minus the long hair), he was a good description.

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@worlsbiggest: I also think that Cavill may have been a good choice. He played Brandon to a tee in Tudors and was good in Monte Cristo. Also, let's not forget that he's Superman and Franco's what, the Green Goblin's son?

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AHHHHHHHH!!! It's not based on a "book." It is an old medieval legend/love story that is often intertwined with the legend of King Arthur and is in, among other things, Le Morte d'Arthur by Sir Thomas Mallory. It has been re-told dozens of times with some variation depending on the source. I was an English major who focused on Medieval lit so to keep hearing people refer to this as a "book" is really irritating. Do your research before you post things - it will save you from sounding like a complete idiot.

Also, I totally agree with the others that while I have no problem with James Franco-he is not right for the part of British knight. He looks like an Italian-American -- which is aboslutely fine -- but not for this particular role. They needed someone who either was from Great Britain, or at least looked like they were, to play this part. There is a difference and the very first thing I thought when I saw that he was playing that role was "why did they choose him-he couldn't look less like a British knight."

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He didn't actually ruin it for but he bring it down a lot. Not sure it's entirely his fault though, I've seen him in another film and he did quite well. Once he settled into that permanent scowl he reminded me of Hayden Christensen in the Star Wars prequels. Dreadful.

The first half of the movie was quite strong, right up until the king marries Isolde. From then on the situations were very contrived and we get pretty much just one facial expression from James. You'd think he'd lighten up around Isolde.
He looks so troubled their secret relationship is transparently obvious in every scene. That I consider to be bad acting.

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I agree. I read the romances for a king arthur class and wanted to see the movie. I thought everything was good except for Franco. This was purely a marketing effort.

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I would have agreed with you when I first saw the movie, but I think his recent, incredible and full-of-range work has made me appreciate him more. I think his portrayal of Tristan was fine.

(I don't like the Tristan character anyway--I'm a Marke fan--so not liking him was never a big issue)

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I wouldn't say he ruined it, but I wasn't impressed. I also couldn't see a range of emotion for his character. I became a fan of Franco when I saw City by the Sea years ago and he was superb. He was fantastic in The Company and very good in Spidey. But he just wasn't convincing in T&I. I wonder if it's because it's a period movie and he doesn't look to fit into the period thing.

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I'm a Marke fan too. First film I've seen in which Rufus Sewell was cast as someone noble.

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Okay first of all I'd like to say that this was not a marketing effort. The makers of this movie worked very hard on it. They NEEDED a big name unless no one was going to see it.
Second, no matter what the movie NEVER does justice to the book because everyone imagines the book differently. When you read a book its like your own story you come up with how the characters look, the setting they are in, etc., etc.
And last I think he's a good actor but not so good in this film. While everyone in this film had like an Irish accent I didn't really hear it from him and it got quite annoying through the whole movie.


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I agree with your second point, but I don't think it's quite relevant here: this movie is not a book adaptation. At least not in the sense of one book turned into one movie: Tristan and Isolde is a legend that appears in many, many books, which sometimes tell completely different stories.

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Well you know what I mean. People keep saying how they read the story and they don't like the adaption yadda yadda yadda.

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Absolutely with you, especially on the yadda yadda part! ;) It's just that with the Tristan or the King Arthur legend, many people assume, because they've read one book (sometimes not even a medieval one), that they know the whole story, and any movie or TV series should be exactly like that. Whereas when it comes to legends, the more you read, the more complex the picture gets, and the more tolerant you become towards modern takes on those legends, because in fact, they're just prolonging the process that has been going on for centuries.

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Totally agree.


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I find it weird that he didn't bother with an accent. Was Tristan from California? I think you guys are right about the look. It's very American and modern looking.

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Are you kidding me?

He was the BEST part of the movie. He embodied this character, and was truly amazing. He is the only reason I want to own it!

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i'm not a Franco fan but i think he did a good job...

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I recently saw this because I'm a fan of Franco's, and I have to say I think he was miscast. He's so American and has a modern look and sensibility about him that just doesn't suit a British period piece. Also I think a classical acting style would have suited the material better. I think Franco is very talented and I've been impressed with his work in other things...just not this.

On the other hand, I didn't get the feeling that Kevin Reynolds is the kind of director who can motivate and pull a performance out of an actor. It sounded like they spent a lot of time on the action sequences maybe at the expense of some other elements of the story. I thought many of the other principals were very good-- Sophia Myles, Rufus Sewell, Mark Strong--but they're dependable Brit actors.

Too bad they didn't wait a couple years to make the film...there are so many young Brit actors now that the studio might have found acceptable.

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i agree! their chemistry made the film iconic and unforgettable. i think franco is happy to play the clown, and takes silly roles in judd apatow films for fun, but in many roles, like this one, he shows himself a serious actor, and not just a pretty face. i read about his academic pursuits (he has several Masters degrees by now) and found that surprising for a hollywood hottie. he has surprising depth, this one. and dang, he is easy on the eyes.

i also think james purefoy is lovely, but he ruined a knight's tale with some of the worst acting outside after school specials. being gorgeous is not enough - but in my view, franco came through with the goods as tristan. memorable performance. sophie myles was also wonderful, and rufus sewell as well. a good solid film - under-rated on imdb.

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Agreed. I have nothing against James Franco, but I felt no connection to his character, no chemistry between him and Myles, I rooted for Marke to get the girl instead, and during the entire length of the movie he looked like he was in the process of pushing a porcupine out of his arse.

Sophia Myles was a joy to watch though, she made the film worthwhile. Well, and Rufus Sewell obviously.

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I agree with OP. Absolute MISCAST! I was expecting Franco to say "dude" half the time. His emotions ranged from a wooden spoon to a toilet bowl brush.

Why, oh why wasn't Tristan Henry Cavill!!? Henry looks aristocratic and has a regal masculine presence about him (and looks dayum fine). Henry would've complemented Sophia in everyway!! Franco looks like a druggo with the air of crack.

If Henry was Tristan, I would've definitely rooted for him to get the girl. But since it was Franco I wanted Isolde to be with Marke!

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I watched this film for the first time today - having wanting to see it from the first poster I saw advertising the film. But I have had other distractions!

I have not read the books, but I got the gist that Tristian was a capable warrior - or Knight.

Having watched the first five minutes - I decided to put all of my chores on hold and did not move until the end.

I loved this film! I also thought that Franco fitted the role very well. He fascinated me. I found him very watchable. My daughter pointed out that he was one of the actors from the Spidey films - he had me hooked.

I prefer to read the books before I watch the film - but I did not know of this story. It has intrigued me enough to look for the books.

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james franco's performance was excellent in this movie. its rubbish to say he lacked emotional range, its completely false!

Unfortunately, the movie failed to convey his performance on the big screen. I did not feel that special connection that tristan and isolde had, but i dont blame it on james franco. he is an extremely talented actor and gave 100% in this movie, as well as all of his other movies. He practiced horseback riding stunts for crying out loud. I blame the director of all people responsible for the quality of the movie.

It was a shame that the movie did not turn out as good as it could have- perhaps because of their extremely low budget (which i cannot not find on the internet...).

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Why, oh why wasn't Tristan Henry Cavill!!?

This is what I kept thinking.

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I adored Franco in this, i thought he showed great range.
I could sense torture in his face and the way he spoke...
There were a few scenes that his acting was partially heartbreaking, just his facial emotion he did not even need words.

he was fantastic :)

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I just saw this movie tonight and Franco was fantastic!! I agree with the previous poster that his facial emotions were really good. I really enjoyed the movie and the whole cast was great!!



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franco was fish out of water he looked like an american football player, his death scene was hoopeless, being associated with the ridley scot production company it was originally fashioned for orlando bloom who to the annoyance of everyone concrened elected to do more pirates ion gruffyd was next some how it was franco and poor boxofficein the end

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I totally agree. For some reason I just can't stand Franco and I think he is a bad actor as well. Quite a shame, because I liked the rest of the casting and I think I would have really loved this movie were it not for Franco. :(

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I agree, i liked the film and in general like Franco in other roles. However, the particular one was miscast.Henry Cavill would have been great. I think the miscasting of franco made what could have been an amazing film, just ok.

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