ENOUGH - Munna Bhai M.B.B.S. (2003) Discussion

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[–] jameskernaghan 9 years ago

That would punish a lot of films that genuinely deserve to be on the list.

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[–] jameskernaghan 9 years ago

It seems like a short term solution. These films will eventually pass that higher vote threshold again. Meanwhile, classic older films like Ikiru or Fanny and Alexander would sink into the depths, they would not realistically regain the votes needed to re-enter the list. There's still a few fantastic films that haven't re-entered the list since the last time they increased the threshold.

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[–] Gus-69 9 years ago

Agreed. So annoying.

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[–] pramod-ach11 9 years ago

Rally man!?
Have you even watched the movie?
Movies don't have to be in English to be considered great..

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[–] jameskernaghan 9 years ago

I watched it when it came onto the list. It was awful. What's your point?

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[–] pramod-ach11 9 years ago

My point is..this movie was great and deserves to be on this list. May be not your cup of tea, but that doesn't affect a movie, if you didn't get it, its ok.

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[–] Der_Blaue_Reiter 9 years ago

Great? I hope it is better than the other annoying Indian movies :most of them are just overlong soap operas.

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[–] pramod-ach11 9 years ago

I couldn't agree more..
Most of them are pile of crap.. I would say 95-99%
But which ones are good, they need to be appreciated.

And this one was great.. I think you didn't feel it the way it was meant to, probably because of the language and local references..

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[–] prateekcertain 9 years ago

Agreed. Completely undeserved to be on the list.

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[–] hugo_rafael7 9 years ago

Votes from people of the movie country should weight less. Take a look to the votes from american voters and from other countries for instance...great foreign movies have pretty much the same rating as much from americans and others...indian movies on the other hand, have a big difference.

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[–] jameskernaghan 9 years ago

This might actually be a viable solution. It wouldn't just neuter the terrible Indian film influx - some of the lesser US films would also rightfully take a hit. The truly great foreign films would survive based on their fanbases out of their home country. Kurosawa's films in particular would probably go up rather than down.

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[–] RuggeroAja 9 years ago

It would be nice to be able to filter the list, so that I can filter out any film that stars Aamir Khan.

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[–] jameskernaghan 9 years ago

KEK. But yeah, I was hoping to see this as a feature too, I wonder what great films are languishing in places 251-300 because of all the glaringly awful films that clearly don't belong. Being able to have a personalised Top 250 where you can remove films from it would be great.

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[–] Philippe277 9 years ago

It is possible to view the Top 1000 films on IMDB by using the Advanced Search option, just so you know. I know that isn't the same thing as erasing the undeserving films, but hopefully it's a small consolation for you.

http://www.imdb.com/search/title?count=100&groups=top_1000&sort=user_rating,desc&title_type=feature

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[–] CCRider01 (56) 6 years ago

Thanks for the link, many of my favorite films are in the 251-600 range. I agree with the OP that something needs to be done (algorithm tweak) to keep these average (and too often outright mediocre) Indian films out of the top 250. They are clearly being subjected to a "patriotic boost" from the "home team" fans.

Adding another filter, where "home team" votes are either discounted, or a film must have a certain percentage of its votes from countries outside of its country of origin in order to make the top 250. IMDB is heading down the path where say 15 years from now, 35-40% of its top 250 will be made up of animated films, Marvel or DC superheros, and "home team" boosted foreign films.

On another note, IMDB must be using a different algorithm for the top 250 as they are using for the top 1000. Many films on the lower end of the top 250 are ranked differently, such as Jaws at 236 on the top 250, ranked at 332 on the top 1000 list. Quite strange.

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[–] Bones729 9 years ago

Americans need to watch some of these stupid Indian movies and then vote them DOWN! Or just vote them down without watching them... but that wouldn't exactly be fair. I proudly voted a 1 for that one about the dyslexic kid. We need 100000 Americans (or whoever) to do the same thing. Vote 'em DOWN!

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[–] Hythlodaeus 9 years ago

They need to change the algorithm so that only people who participate a certain amount on IMDB can vote. Supposedly they have that but I suspect it isn't working anymore.

These Indian movies have to go.

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[–] Hythlodaeus 9 years ago

Well, I'm willing to admit that this may be the same phenomenon as what got The Dark Knight put in the top 10.

So it's pretty much mainstream stupidity - but at least US movies have a plurality of male leads. You may see Christian Bale and Matthew McC in a bunch of movies but not every one of the top 250s coming out of the US has one certain family of American actors in it. You don't/didn't see one of the Bridges brothers or Bogey and Cagney in every movie hitting the Top 250 like you do the Khan brothers (though at times these US actors were in a bunch of movies).

There are better ways to run the Top 250 - it is becoming a useless measure - at least compared to what it used to be.

There is no reason any country should be dominating the IMDB. You would expect many American movies to be in the 250 - IMDB was invented in the United States. However, if India's movies represented a trend in the world - we'd see many more movies from various counties - the India movie situation is an aberration.

It may represent people who vote but not the quality of films. Perhaps other nations don't bother voting their movies on IMDB- they should. A democratic process is only as good as the votes - right now they are skewed and creating useless candidates - much like US elections. So this is a call for people to get out and vote and for stats to be used to their best effect to validate which international movies are best (including the US).

Perhaps votes should be weighed based on a function of number of movies a country puts out in international markets, population of that country, votes from that country (based on IP location) etc. to get a valid measure of the value of that movie compared to others from less populous markets.

That would also dramatically change American movies on the 250 also.

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[–] TravelTrousers 9 years ago

"IMDB was invented in the United States."

Ahem..... England actually...

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[–] Hythlodaeus 9 years ago

Okay, I stand corrected - I almost looked up that fact earlier but I don't have much time to write and have already spent more time than I've got.

After I posted it I was going to look it up because I half remembered it was England.

But this discussion is more about East vs West - and my discussion is that Western films are dominant on IMDB - So England's films are not dominant on IMDB but English films are. England had no major problem letting US films take center stage (though I do remember a lot of flame wars like "You Yanks have no taste!" sort of thing)

The point is that if India wants the West to take their films seriously, this glutting of films from the Amir Khan brothers is not going to help their cause or the cause of non-Western cinema in general.

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[–] Hythlodaeus 9 years ago

That's okay, I've lost respect from better folks than you.

However, are you denying that IMDB was invented in the US.

My point there is just that it will be skewed toward the US for that reason. So if part of your argument is that Indian films glutting IMDB is okay because US films already glut it, then you're wrong on that point.

My point is that I am all for the IMDB being a fair representation of quality films worldwide - this would mean US films would decrease on the top 250, but not that Indian films (or any other nation's) would take over a disproportionate representation.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If India wants egalitarianism in international film ratings then they should expect it will affect them equally as well as the West.

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[–] aashkaran2006 9 years ago

Says a guy...who votes all SRK films 1* and all Aamir films 10*. #Hypocrisy

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[–] aashkaran2006 9 years ago

atleast I dont base my ratings by looking at the actor in the poster. Ohh Aamir 10/10...Ohh SRK 1/10 ...Ohh Salman 2/10

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[–] aashkaran2006 9 years ago

Grand Budapest kind of cinema is not meant for my taste buds...atleast i am giving my honest opinion here instead of venting out my hate by rating films of particular stars 1/10. Seriously ! how immature. Krissh 3 Jatt Juliet become a 10/10 ...while CDI and Swades become 1/10. How am i supposed to take you seriously ?

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[–] Scooperfield 9 years ago

I agree. What a terrible crap.

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[–] borg2004 9 years ago

since i cant do anything else i hate vote indian and turkish movies to 1 and hopefully more people do the same.Voting from the country of origin could be prohibited to see if there is improvement.not very optimistic though.this is done in the esc (eurovision song contest) but neighboring countries seem to pick up the slack. i consider previous years' imdb top 250 lists (from 10 years ago say) to be true to the aspirations of the list itself.from here on its marketing strategies, social media awareness etc . therefore the true cinema critic should stop watching what one is being spoonfed as high rated.i did my time.i studied film history at the university and i doubt those voting here know what film is, how it evolved what patterns in storyline are original and what is masqueraded as such,what is trick and what is work, what is inspiration and what is copied and all the relevant aspects of film that one has to be aware of when voting.Hate vote and dont waste your time watching them

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[–] spf59 9 years ago

Well that's unethical (and I would think against the rules), you should at least attempt watching the movie before rating it a 1. Personally I have stopped my long-standing attempt to watch the entire top 250 due to the proliferation of largely mediocre movies (many from India), but of the Turkish/Indian ones I had seen none of them deserved a 1 except this movie (I wasn't able to finish it due to how bad I thought it was, first time I've done that for a movie in years).

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[–] borg2004 9 years ago

unethical haha...as if it is ethical to promote undeserving movies who are voted by the nations residents.i guarantee if my country had more people the top 250 would be in a language you wouldnt recognize.thats unethical... people shoving bs movies down the throat of minority voters.i also saw some of the indian films and it is also my first 1 because i have had it with the talentless being self-promoted.and by the way i have had academic film experience so as to recognize film structure, direction , script, film language , film history, cinematography , costume design etc.

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[–] meneldil 9 years ago

IMDb needs to change their algorithm to weight votes from people under 18 differently because I have had it with these TERRIBLE superhero films and animated movies for children turning up on the list.

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[–] cnoguera-515-205878 9 years ago

Yes, something needs to be done. I watched this film yesterday and I just couldn't believe my eyes. How an absolutely terrible mixture of ridiculous comedy and stupid soap opera could ever make it to the Top 250? I have watched and rated many films and only on very few occasions I had to go below 5. This time I have rated this film with 2. The worst I have ever seen. This kind of stuff just does not belong in a list that many people around the world use to select some of the best films in the history of cinema.

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[–] x_d_71 9 years ago

I agree wholeheartedly. I have done the same. Mind you I have seen quite a few of the top 250 and also seen quite a few of the Indian movies. This is no better than a 5 at best. Plot was just so predictable, acting from the main character other than the end when he is emotional generally did not get me to connect to him. The movie was also too long and didn't keep me interested (only finished it because I always finish movies despite how bad they are).

However, I have voted some Indian movies 8 or more which I think are deserved eg 3 idiots, PK, Dor, Like stars on Earth, Udaan, Barfi, Black and Maqbool.

Cheers.

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[–] aashkaran2006 9 years ago

Unfair....this movie is considered as a cult amongst South Asians. A true Sleeper Hit of our times...I myself dont understand why Half the films in top #250 are liked so much....but that doesnt mean my opinion becomes that of the majority. I am pretty sure that this film is strictly not meant for western audience....One have to be part of the system to understand some things and the concept is truly ridiculous if I see it from your eyes.

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[–] TravelTrousers 9 years ago

That doesn't matter, I like plenty of 'cult' movies but I wouldn't dream of giving Rocky Horror a 10...

I think IMDB should expand the voting range from 0 to 11, but only 1 to 10 count... people who are too stupid to realise this don't have their votes counted :p

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[–] Carennah (11) 7 years ago

Unfair....this movie is considered as a cult amongst South Asians. A true Sleeper Hit of our times...I myself dont understand why Half the films in top #250 are liked so much....but that doesn't mean my opinion becomes that of the majority. I am pretty sure that this film is strictly not meant for western audience....One have to be part of the system to understand some things and the concept is truly ridiculous if I see it from your eyes.

I consider "strictly not meant for Western audience" to be somewhat unfair a generalisation. It might very well be true that Bollywood films are not many a Westerner's cup of tea, but I, a European with limited knowledge of India and Indian culture, liked "Munna Bhai M.B.B.S." a lot — and I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only Westerner who liked it. I ended up rating this film 8 out of 10. I found it very heart-warming.

BTW, I had never seen even a single Bollywood film until this summer, but now I've watched a few Bollywood films. Some of them I've enjoyed, some not.

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