IS THIS REAL?


I was browsing the internet and came across this site...

truthaboutlochness.com

Some pretty wild claims about the movie Enigma of Loch Ness. Crazy footage. Check it out.

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This looks like its going to be a cryptozoological version of "Blair Witch Project".

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Nope....IMHO, no way is this real. That website is too professionally put together, with too many 'coincidental' photos and movies of specific quality. Oh sure, he just HAPPENED to be pointign the camera here, and dude just HAPPENED to have someone send him a coyp of it....
Bah, just another hype machine in the making, like the old Blair Witch website, and the copies of the video from The Ring that circulated months before the movie actually came out.
Besides, anything CLOSE to this scientifically sound would be either swarmed by scientists, or silenced by the film crew.

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Are there any clips or trailer of the flim?

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As others have put it, it is not about what is real and what is not. Scientists and marine biologists have been trying to prove once and for all the existence or lack thereof of a large, plesiosaur-ish [sp.] creature lurking in a lake that is by its very nature, too deep and unfathomable to search from one end to the other. While I doubt that even Werner Herzog has what it takes to film such a creature or prove its existence, the fact needs to once again be stated that Herzog's "documentaries" are often based in reality but need a little embellishment to attract wider audiences' attentions. That being said, anyone who wonders about the documentary-quality of his more non-fiction works should take a gander at La Soufrière (1977) , a "documentary" about a seemingly inevitable volcanic explosion on a small island. The first narration in the movie should tip the viewer off that it is not your typical documentary. The volcano may be active, and there more than likely was great danger involved (Herzog, a megalomaniac, would have it no other way), however, something about it doesn't "feel" documentary, and while Herzog does a great job at making the viewer empathize with the islanders, it is difficult to pinpoint the historical accuracy of the goings-on.
As far as rumors go, Herzog himself would tell you that the movie business is filled with such tomfoolery. The viewer's assignment is to wade through the bull and find what really matters. Maybe the website is a tangled confusion of truth and lies, but the very nature of the film requires it. Like any good theory, that of the location and nature of the creature in question must be researched and then the fun part begins: culling what is from what isn't and attempting to make a hypotheses about it.
I digress. Those of you who wonder about the validity of rumors about crew members being hurt and/or killed on set should seek out My Best Fiend, which explores the fragile actor-director relationship between Herzog and Klaus Kinski. Herzog narrates the film, and at several points references crew members' injuries. One member was bitten by a poisonout snake in the Amazon and without hesitation cut the offended limb off with an axe or something to keep from dying. Herzog also remarks that Kinski once threatened to walk out on him during shooting, to which Herzog said something like "I have two bullets in this gun. If you try to f... up my film I will put one in your brain and the other in mine. As I said before, Herzog is a man of many "delusions," a megalomaniac at the very least.
But aren't we at least glad that he is, so that his films are able to transcend what we normally find in the cluttered world of films?

Why do I want to see the film? Herzog's own words sum it up:
"It’s more than just the Loch Ness Monster. I’m just fascinated about some other Scottish things. It should also include landscapes, like the island of Skye and the Old Man of Storr. It’s not so much the so-called monster that’s important in this, it’s more the question why is it that we need a monster."

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Additionally, Herzog's Minnesota Declaration should further clarify his position on documentary film
Taken from www.wernerherzog.com, the Official Werner Herzog Films Site
Minnesota declaration: truth and fact in documentary cinema
"LESSONS OF DARKNESS"

1. By dint of declaration the so-called Cinema Verité is devoid of verité. It reaches a merely superficial truth, the truth of accountants.

2. One well-known representative of Cinema Verité declared publicly that truth can be easily found by taking a camera and trying to be honest. He resembles the night watchman at the Supreme Court who resents the amount of written law and legal procedures. "For me," he says, "there should be only one single law: the bad guys should go to jail."
Unfortunately, he is part right, for most of the many, much of the time.

3. Cinema Verité confounds fact and truth, and thus plows only stones. And yet, facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable.

4. Fact creates norms, and truth illumination.

5. There are deeper strata of truth in cinema, and there is such a thing as poetic, ecstatic truth. It is mysterious and elusive, and can be reached only through fabrication and imagination and stylization.

6. Filmmakers of Cinema Verité resemble tourists who take pictures amid ancient ruins of facts.

7. Tourism is sin, and travel on foot virtue.

8. Each year at springtime scores of people on snowmobiles crash through the melting ice on the lakes of Minnesota and drown. Pressure is mounting on the new governor to pass a protective law. He, the former wrestler and bodyguard, has the only sage answer to this: "You can´t legislate stupidity."

9. The gauntlet is hereby thrown down.

10. The moon is dull. Mother Nature doesn´t call, doesn´t speak to you, although a glacier eventually farts. And don´t you listen to the Song of Life.

11. We ought to be grateful that the Universe out there knows no smile.

12. Life in the oceans must be sheer hell. A vast, merciless hell of permanent and immediate danger. So much of a hell that during evolution some species - including man - crawled, fled onto some small continents of solid land, where the Lessons of Darkness continue.

Walker Art Center, Minneapolis, Minnesota April 30, 1999
Werner Herzog

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Jon, that's my website. Thanks for checking it out. I have every indication from my source in Scotland that the info is real and true.

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Well done, you've divised a marketing campaign, big woop, wanna fight about it? Just remember next time that there's such a thing as the media and the media like to take an interest in internationally renouned directors. Ooopsies!

"The Enigma of Loch Ness seems certain to be unlike any previous documentary on the subject. Herzog has often blurred the lines between drama and documentary, most notably in his epic Fitzcarraldo, for which he employed 500 Indians to haul a steamship up a mountain from one part of a drought-stricken Amazonian river to another, and which spawned a memorable documentary about the film’s creation. Many of his dramas have been true stories, while his documentaries have included dramatic re-enactments."

"This one will be no exception. Herzog, 60, intends to investigate the origins of the legend and take to the water himself to see what he might find. He has also ordered the building of the back end of a sunken boat for one sequence, and may require extras for dramatic sequences. "

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=710402003

"During filming of this scene a motorist called the police to say a boat was on fire on Loch Ness. The fire brigade and police were called out and a rescue helicopter was put on standby. During filming two sets were built near the shore showing, in one, what looked like the superstructure of the boat only showing above the water and, in the other, what looked like the wheelhouse of the boat showing above the water. It looks like that, at some stage in the film, the boat is going to sink."

http://www.thezreview.co.uk/news/news1510.htm (check this one out for on-set photos)

Get out of that, Mr Atkins.

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Well, even without the excellent input above from ibentmywookie2, please allow this source in Scotland (who has a long standing and intimate knowledge of Loch Ness and the surrounding area) to tell you that the information is neither real nor true.

Who controls the present, controls the past. Who controls the past, controls the future.

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It looks very real. It would take the filmmakers some budget to create that kind of visual or practical FX, if they are...
I also heard rumours that people were seriously injured.

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I'm sorry, I take back my previous comments (the media were obviously lying, I know they can do that sometimes. I'm so gullible, I feel so stupid). You've obviously pondered on this long and hard, VirtualMixer, and I now see the error of my skeptical ways.

Clearly it would take a big budget to create such wonderous special effects, a big budget that only Hollywood producers would be able to finance, and, as you've clearly researched producer Zak Penn's credentials and discovered that he doesn't own "Zak Penn's Company" which isn't situated in 20th Century Fox and didn't produce Hollywood blockbusters like Behind Enemy Lines, Last Action Hero and Inspector Gadget, then I guess your argument is pretty sound. Sorry, I apologise for wasting your time with my baseless ramblings.

Thanks to your insight I now believe in UFOs, Bigfoot, and ghosts, cos, let's face it, they're all plausible.

http://www.soyouwannasellascript.com/source/productioncompanies.cfm?mode=normal&currentpage=60

(How did that link get there?! Pesky kids!)

nb. could you possibly post a link to these "rumours" about serious injury, or did you "hear" them from "friends"?

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Rumours are not always true but they come from somewhere close to the truth. I cannot say for sure because the producers are putting pressure on the cast and crew involved in the documentary. They had them sign some kind of a tight contract saying they're giving their live away if they talk.
I haven't signed anything and I'm not part of the cast and crew, so I can talk.... I guess. A lot of things went wrong because of the low budget production and apparently someone may have DIED during this expedition.
I can't imagine the stress the filmmakers are going through if the news goes officially out and can be verified.
I have the feeling that this expedition is a financial disaster. If I was Zak Penn, I would be hidding in South America right now.
Werner's career is probably ruined. He may try to find work in the B or C horror film or direct to video as a last resort, ...what a waste, I liked is movies.
I noticed that none of the cast was listed in imdb. Hidding or protecting the cast and crew?

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And don't forget:

They said Michael Karnow is missing (http://www.truthaboutlochness.com/missing.htm) but from this URL:

http://www.barberknight.com/talent.html

Barber Artists Group’s clients are active in network and cable television, feature films and short films. Some clients and their projects:

"Writers Michael Karnow and Charlie Newton: television writers, currently writing a feature script for Media Ventures with Zak Penn attached to direct."

Oups, their Dr. is just a writer ?

Bah!... Blair Witch 3...

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I agree with you. Why would someone like Herzog even get a guy like Zak Penn who seems to have no creative similarity to Herzog whatsoever unless it was precisely for the purpose of creating some special effects sequences for the film? It makes complete sense, knowing Herzog's work, that he is doing something much more than just standing around, filming the Loch and talking about the legend. Some people are calling this a "hoax" if the films are faked. I prefer to see it as artistic license and the movie's message will probably make it clear that these seemingly authentic films are simply a reaffirmation of the fabled myth of the Loch Ness Monster.

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Herzog is a genius and a magician. Many of his films have that 'film within a film' (or 'film OUTSIDE a film') quality to them. Fitzcarraldo is the perfect example and illustrates what I expect will be fascinating within this project as well.

Fitzcarraldo is a great movie, but if you see 'My Best Fiend', you find that the real drama of the crew and native tribesmen ACTUALLY hauling the ship over a mountain begs the question: what is more real, the story in the film, or the film in the story? Knowing Herzog and his penchant for blurring fact (or 'truth') and story, at times I even wonder if they really DID pull that boat over the mountain or if that was a fabrication of a fabrication within the 'documentary' of 'My Best Fiend'.

As to the central basis of this Loch Ness 'documentary': "It’s not so much the so-called monster that’s important in this, it’s more the question why is it that we need a monster."

My personal feeling is that the answer is the same for the question of why we travel in space and explore deeper and deeper into the ocean, or the frontiers that remain. Because if there is nothing left to learn, then we die. Or worse, we are in hell. We as humans need the unknown. And once we find the next 'fact' or 'truth', then we immediately hunger for the one beyond that.

I don't think it is a great coincidence that the closer we got as a species to having explored our entire planet, the more we saw an increase in literature, and eventually film, as well, in science fiction and fantasy.

In 1939, Welles radio broadcast set off the panic over 'War of the Worlds'. Since we now know through our exploration that no invaders are coming from Mars, we reach further out (or further in) for our speculation of the unknown. Now we get 'The Matrix' (the original 'Matrix' anyway, a philosophy movie with action, rather than just action).

A story within a story within a story. Like Herzog said in the quote above, 'the important question is why we need a monster'. With the question of whether this is another 'Blair Witch' or not, it's not the answer that matters, but why we are so fascinated with it. Look at the message board for this film. 1 posting of someone looking forward to seeing the film and 20 postings about whether this is a hoax, or marketing, or 'real'. Whether inside the film or outside, we are still drawn by a need to know the unknown.

Can't wait to see the end product.


If a machine, a Terminator, can learn the value of human life, maybe we can too...

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One other note: this story and the 'truthaboutlochness' website were in Creative Screenwriting Daily, so maybe we'll see some postings here.

If a machine, a Terminator, can learn the value of human life, maybe we can too...

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I have seen the film. It is not real; it is a mockumentary, and probably the most original and hilarious one since "Spinal Tap." Anyone who loves myths, and films, and Herzog, will adore this movie. It is ingenious and very, very, funny.

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I have seen the film yesterday at the Edinburgh Film Festival and, ralphyboy2004, well done for giving everything away. Maybe you should give people a chance to experience this truly wonderful film without knowing what it is about!!! At least mention your comment contains spoilers!! Anway, for everyone who hasn't seen it, you should defilnitely watch it if you get a chance to do so. And don't tell anyone what it is really about, it is much more fun to see it this way.

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I apologise for giving it away, although I seriously doubt it will stop people enjoying the movie as much (plus, I think the guy who started this thread is, like the website, a marketing ploy by the filmmakers; check for his other user comments). I knew it was a mockumentary as I walked in, and it still contained endless surprises. I think the problem the film faces is that if it sells itself as a Werner Herzog documentary about Loch Ness, it will lose the audience that it will deserve, and the people who would love it will avoid it.

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Just saw this movie w/ a Q&A after with Zak Penn, Herzog, John Bailey and one of the other actors who plays the Crypto zoologist, I think it may have been Steven Gardner. This had got to be one of the funniest films I have seen in several years. It is a mock documentary and I went in knowing that, where everything goes wrong. Zak plays himself in the film but an "evil" self who has his own agenda on the supposed documentary that Herzog is doing about the myth of the Loch Ness. To tell more would be giving away too much but I will say that Nessie does make an appearance.
And yes the film makers did place rumors on the web. The trades even ran reports about the fact that Herzog was going to be shooting a factual Documentory about the Myth or mystery of the LN monster.

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Oh you all just settle down. Seeing the movie will answer all your questions.

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Living in Scotland,I can assure you that Nessie is nothing more than a tourist story.
Shouldnt stop your enjoyment of the film,though....kinda like we thought that Blair Witch might be a true story....DOH !

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Though a good movie, it's not real.

If you check the credits, you'll see they have a standard full-scale film crew, most of whom were not characters in the film, but are still capable of pulling off the film's special effects and stunts. Just think "Blair Witch Project," except with celebrities.

~But hey - that's just me.~

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if it were real, the events that happen in the film would have got more media attention then it's getting.

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