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I Can't support a movie that glorifies the Cuban Revolution


My god!!!! I wish Americans would someday realize how lucky they are... In Venezuela, we used to have a nice democracy, far from perfect as all of them, but every five years we would have elections and elect a new president... that was until ten years ago, when venezuelans "hoping for a change" (sounds familiar?) elected Hugo Chavez, who not only is a convicted coupster responsible for the death of dozens, but a Cuban ally who has instaured a comunist regime not unlike castro's... what do we have now?

. the poverty rate is on an alltime high (and most of them support chavez, because "he is a man of the people"!!!!)
. Crime in Venezuela is rampant
. Cuban doctors are now all around the country...
. We are now the new parking lot for Russian War Jets
. and of course... Chavez is looking for a way perpetuate himself in Power

That's why I'm sorry, but I'll never support people like Sean Penn, Danny Glover, Tim Robbins and now, it seems, Steven Soderbergh.

Believe me, you guys live in a great society... ENJOY IT!!!!!

ERAMOS FELICES Y NO NOS DIMOS CUENTA

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You talk like that because you have food on your table and a computer to speak to the world....

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And Che would take your computer away from you. You realize this don't you?

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>>HA! The capitalist tells a lie and you eat it up like it was pie.
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And yet instead of actually refuting my argument -because you can't- all you can do is fall back on the pathetic "Oh yeah, well, all the evils that socialism wrought in the last century are just fabricated propaganda by rich people! Yeah, that's it!"
Pathetic.




And incidentally, it's also the rhetoric of Holocaust Deniers.

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My response was just as intelligent as your argument so you have no right to criticize me for it.

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"And incidentally, it's also the rhetoric of Holocaust Deniers".

Ah, yes. They say that if any argument goes on long enough, or gets heated enough, the Holocaust/Hitler/Nazis will sooner or later be dragged in as an analogy.

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>>Ah, yes. They say that if any argument goes on long enough, or gets heated enough, the Holocaust/Hitler/Nazis will sooner or later be dragged in as an analogy. <<



Can't address the point, so you need to fall back on a Straw Man to try and remove the point of contention, huh?



Holocaust Deniers: "The National Socialist Party was a wonderful institution that has since been besmyrched by rich evil Jews who have used their money and influence trick everybody into believing a revised version of history. Disregard the mountains of proof and testimony to the contrary and take my word for it: Hitler never killed nobody."


Cuban Socialist Deniers: "Che Guevarra was a wonderful man, the actions of whom have since been besmyrched by rich evil Americans who have used their money and influence to trick everybody into believing a revised version of history. Disregard the mountains of proof and testimony to the contrary and take my word for it: Che never killed nobody."



GEE. Seems like a pretty spot-on analogy to me.
But then, that's why you felt so compelled to try and wish it away in the first place, right? I wonder then, what is your opinion on people who cast Nazi analogies on and call for the "de-Nazification" of the U.S. government? Or do you mean to insinuate Nazi analogies are only fair game when they're not being applied to Leftist ideologies?

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Yeah, because they're all evil!

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Uncle $am can never accept a nation like Cuba under Che taking his boot of their throat.

American Imperialism needs blood to suck, and Cuba has been the proverbial 'garlic and crucifix' for the past 5 decades. At the center of Cuba's valiant struggle, has been the heroic memory of CHE GUEVARA. <3

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"But compared to Sweden or Finland, America sucks"

Sweden is run by a coalition of center-right parties that support individual liberty and free markets.

"Socialism would have long taken over as the token of Freedom."

Hahahaha

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"American Imperialism needs blood to suck"

The Castro "dinasty" also need blood to suck, specially from their own citizens.

"and Cuba has been the proverbial 'garlic and crucifix' for the past 5 decades"

This just reminds me how close to religion marxism really is

"has been the heroic memory of CHE GUEVARA"

An heroic killer (and a mediocre politician)

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You are totally right because the western democracies have no wars or genocides or oppression or poverty to account for. How is that for a return?

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You are totally right because straw man fallacies magically make Communism genocides a GOOD thing.

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Have either of you two lived in Cuba

Yep. I am returning to there this December to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the Revolution.




Tell us whats so great about it!?

Everything. The Music, amazing food, scenery, beautiful women, nice and caring people, saftey in comparison to all other Latin American countries, great beaches, delicious Mojitos, Awesome cigars, class consciousness of the people, great weather, the fact hat everyone has a home unlike most of the world, the smiles on everyones faces, all the posters with Che's glorious face on it and the fact that children can recite his valiant speeches, etc etc etc




Do you guys live in the USA?

I prefer "Belly of the Beast". And that's the best place to battle Nazi's like you --- even Che said as much.





instead of having non-rigged, open and free voting to elect a new goverment for the people!

You mean like this kind ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbjr_cPS9_A

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You'd be surprised what freedom of choice really means. There is no "free" country and USA is far far from being "the most free". It wouldn't surprise me if there's more propaganda in the US than there is in Cuba.

Take the presidential elections in 2000 for example. Gore was announced winner and then they changed their mind. Evidence of Bush sitting in office even though he just cheated his way there, surfaced and what does "the land of the free" do? I don't want to get into some Bush discussion but isn't that as corrupt as any other government?

Believe it or not, even though communists are "evil", the people welcomed Castro into office. Batista was a corrupt US-backed dictator. People were being killed in the streets of Havana prior to 1959 and you're complaining about Castro who effectively rid Cuba of corruption and stopped the killing. Fair enough, it may not seem as gloriously "free" as the US but people still have faith in the Castro regime and don't forget what he did for the country. Did you know the US actually stopped supporting Batista with weapons in the late years of the revolution so as to try to help the "26th of July Movement"?

Regarding your last paragraph. Believing for better or for worse in your country is exactly what this debate is about. People who do believe for better or for worse are robots available to the state for any cause. They're oppressed without even knowing it, and that is depressing. That is exactly what Che and Castro wanted to do: fight oppression. You know what the worst indicator in your post of American propaganda is? How you refer to the average German soldier as bastard. You realize that (no disrespect intended) your dad was probably as much of a "bastard" as any German soldier. You have Soldier A and Soldier B and a line that separates them. Which one is good? Which one is bad? The only unbiased answer to these questions is that they're equally good and equally bad. Germans were drafted into the army whether they supported Nazi ideals or not, and most German soldiers had no clue about the holocaust.

Also, you're not talking about stating a different opinion. They were stating a different opinion and you responded by calling them names and saying it's a condemned society or words to that effect.

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Haha, your posts just get more juvenile and juvenile. I never said that you think the US is perfect. If that's what you got out of the whole thing, then there's no point in this discussion. You said you will follow your country for better or for worse. That means to me, that you're a blind patriot. There's a very fine line between patriot and nationalist. I'm not saying you're brainwashed because you're from the US. Everyone in the western world likes to think that they're in a propaganda-free zone, which just isn't the case. What I'm trying to explain to you is that if you're critical towards sources and most of all your own government you might not appear like a naive fool when talking to others.

Hypothetically, if Obama wins and turns the US into a communist state, would you still love USA "for better or for worse"?

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Well prove to me you're not just a douchebag. Come with some half-decent arguments. Opinions exist in everyone. Fair enough, but support it with facts, instead of making outrageous statements. As for illiteracy, you're the one who can't spell. It's "you're so retarded".

You've laid yourself out for me to interpret. What I've interpreted from your attitude, is what I've stated in my posts. That's how you come off to someone who doesn't know you. What else do I have to go on?

As for your rhetorical question, kool-aid doesn't exist here. Isn't it fun when someone actually answers rhetorical questions?

You think Castro is a dickhead, I don't. That's what's come out of this discussion.

Later...

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You're a totalitarian Useful Idiot who thinks genocide and oppression are acceptable as long as you get your own way. We don't.


That's all there is to this discussion.

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You know, I really despise capitalists and right-wingers. I despise their ignorance, their violence, their disrespect for humanity and their robotic obeying of whatever the fascist state tells them is the truth without troubling to discover what the real facts are. And yet Lenin tells us to "patiently explain" the facts of life to them. It is very difficult. I would pity your ignorance if it did not make life unliveable for the rest of humanity.

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What a coincidence. I utterly loathe you Communists and you genocides and oppression. You're history's greatest monsters and also its biggest crybabies and hypocrites. You whine about how you're oppressed because you don't control everything, promise false freedom and equality, horde everything for yourselves, murder and enslave by the hundred millions, engage in mass imperialism and then turn around and pitch pathetic little tantrums afterward about how you're the REAL victim.
The only other group that comes close to matching your barbarism, hypocrisy, theft, totalitarianism, imperialism, mass murder and pathetic self pity are the Islamofascists.


But, unlike you Communists, I don't go around murdering and enslaving people who refuse to bend to my will, like Lenin and every piece of *beep* after him did.

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Edbro75, I think the reason it seems people are misquoting you, or not fully understanding what you are trying to say is because it is difficult to weed through your comments due to excruciatingly bad grammar. For example, why do you continuously conjugate the verb “to have” with the preposition “of”? (If you actually read our dialouge you would of realized that! Let me try to humor you, if I can.) This is something taught to kids as early as kindergarten. I think a lot of your ideas and comments are very unclear due to really poor grammar.

I think you should OF used some kind of grammar check. I OF an idea for you, next time try reading over your posts before making yourself look like a moron – it makes you lose a lot of credibility otherwise.

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>>Believe it or not, even though communists are "evil", the people welcomed Castro into office.<<

Geez, how intentionally misleading can you get? "The people" (in true Marxist fashion) deliberately makes it sound like everybody in Cuba welcomed Castro with open arms, and continue to do so. Not remotely true. Read your history. Find out about all the people who attempted to flee the country when the Castro regime rolled in, read about the peasants and farmers who took up arms to fight against them, and were subsequently shot and round up into concentration camps.

Not for nothing, "the people" also welcomed Adolf Hitler into power.


>>Batista was a corrupt US-backed dictator. People were being killed in the streets of Havana prior to 1959 and you're complaining about Castro who effectively rid Cuba of corruption and stopped the killing.<<


Actually, Batista's coup was bloodless; Castro's was not. Batista was also NOT backed by the U.S., despite popular Socialist Revisionism, but rather opposed. Castro and Che instituted secret police, concentration camps and firing squads (which had NOT been utilized by Batista) and put themselves in the lap of luxury at the expense of the Cuban people.
Again, read some history. And no, Rage Against The Machine lyrics do not qualify.


>> US but people still have faith in the Castro regime and don't forget what he did for the country. <<

Uh huh. Which is why people to this day attempt to flee his regime.

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Yeah, Castro is such a man of the people, that in Cuba, the people are motivated enough to turn cadillac's into boats. Everyone has a home in Cuba because most of them fled, not to mention the fact that Castro purged the prisons. And the person who enjoy's their "delicious mojito's" and "beautiful women" that is all well and good, by all means, go on a drink and sex tour of Cuba every few months but please, don't embarrass yourself by thinking this makes you an expert on the Cuban revolution.

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I've been to Cuba many times.

95 % of what the Miami Ex-Mafia makes up about the place is pure fantasy.

and yes, the Mojito's are delicious.

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Not everyone welcomed him but the majority did so. If you truly believe everything you've stated here I suggest you read from something other than the Fox news archive. I've read plenty of books regarding the Cuban revolution. Batista was backed by the US but they stopped supporting him around 56-57.

Actually the farmers and peasants fought with Castro during the revolution, because the only standard of living that Batista was concerned about was his own and the upper class, mafia, etc. I'm talking about the span of the revolution here and not post-62 Cuba.

Do you know who Fritz Fischer was? This kind of reminds me of him. Look him up.

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Oh, the majority opposed Castro. That's why he had to murder and imprison so many of them, and why he became so paranoid he started executing his own friends.

Maybe if you'd spent less time whining about Fox while simultaneously allowing yourself to be brainwashed by MSNBC and the flagrant lies of Communist revisionist propagandists.

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Devil, you and the others who still maintain Gore as the presidential winner in 2000 are mind-numbingly stupid. Gore was not "announced winner". That was a figment of the media's imagination projecting Gore winner before votes in Florida were tallied. And no, this country is not as corrupt as dozens of other countries. You want corrupt? Just look at Obama and his ties to the Chicago political machine. Buddy, you ain't seen nothin' yet!
As far as Che, he was a stupid, cunning murderer, just like his best bud Fidel, who enslaved, yes enslaved, and entire population for two generations. And Benicio del Toro goes and makes a fool of himself praising this murdering thug. Good old Benicio, about as stupid as most of Hollywood, and showing his bare ass to the world.

Billy the Kid

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What now? Obama has ties to the Chicago political machine? That's surprising, considering he started his political career there...

And you are not "mind-numbingly stupid" for accepting the "rightful ruler to the throne"? The 2000 elections were a farce. 10,000 criminal records were produced in an instant in Florida where it was later shown that about 90% of the African-American population voted for Gore.

Have you ever read any speeches by Che or are you just trying to be a good citizen and think of all leftists as "commie bast ards"? He was most certainly not stupid. He was a murderer, as are many thousand 18 year old Americans abroad today.

Also, give me some proof of this slave society you mention. I haven't heard of it. What I heard of was "good riddance" to corruption in a through-and-through bent city and "good riddance" to a leader who killed thousands of people after assuming the illegal post of president for a second term through a US-backed coup.

Try reading some history once in a while instead of believing everything the media spoon feeds you.

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= Jon Lee Anderson, author of the 800 + page 'Che Guevara: A Revolutionary life', who spent 5 years researching the man.


"I have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed an innocent. Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder."


@ The Legacy of Che Guevara” at PBS Online Newshour Forum (20 November 1997)


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/november97/che1.html

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Thanks for that quote. Glad to see others that read and don't think like drones :P

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Pretty sure that intentionally ignoring objective fact and insisting that one author making a fraudulent and debunked claim (had you actually read, you'd know his sole source for that quote was Castro's propaganda minister) magically contradicts history is the very epitome of drone like behavior.

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You've been spamming that debunked lie for 15 years now, and it still isn't any more true.

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Devil, you and The Luddite are kidding, right?

Billy the Kid

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Does it look like I'm fu cking kidding? I'm going to go ahead and ask you whether or not you're kidding though...Are you?

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Castro also said at first that he wasn't communist.

Compare the way Castro was treated in Batista's prisons to the gulag in Cuba today.

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You all sound like a bunch of self-important morons.

Get over yourselves, all of you.

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I would just like to note that as an English child I went on a trip to the US East Coast with the Scouts.

I was absolutely shocked and left in a state of disbelief at how mindlessly 'patriotic' so many of the people I met were. They were very caring and welcoming - kind and generous too - but seemingly oblivious to how odd their behaviour was.

I saw, on many occasions, during public gatherings, the national anthem played - and sung - always accompanied by a ritual raising of the flag, always with hand (literally) on heart. I cannot overstate how utterly bizarre this seemed to myself and my peers.

During a trip to a rodeo we witnessed an interval between events, where the light family entertainment (the crowd mostly comprised families with children) consisted of a calf with a noose around its neck forced (through utter terror and a baying crowd) to sprint toward the centre of the stadium, where the rope finally ran out and its neck broke. This was followed by rapturous applause.

On another occasion we visited a US Air Force base. As Air Scouts we were excited at the prospect of seeing operational military aircraft. Not so. Instead we were brought into a classroom and shown a series of light arms - from truncheons through M4s, M9 pistols, shotguns of various kinds, to semi-automatic grenade launchers. We were twelve to thirteen years old at the time.

It is, perhaps, my culture that is at odds with the world, but I believe (having travelled through most of Europe and being almost middle-aged myself) that this is not so. It is my experience that in fact not all cultures behave this way, and that perhaps this is a small indication to the psychosis of the American culture.

I don't often write such long posts, and am not seeking to provoke (North) Americans, but rather to point out that perhaps US culture is not as healthy as it may seem from within.

I live in a reasonably stable First World country, with a (supposedly) democratically elected government. While my culture has many problems to face I would argue that the things I have described are generally seen as unhealthy and at odds with a society so invested with the notion of 'freedom.'

The world is now a smaller place, and news travels faster than it had then (what I saw was a pre-9/11 US). Most notably ideas spread further, knowledge of other cultures pervades the US zeitgeist more effectively, and there are more newcomers to American society than ever before. This, I hope, will make a difference.

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Your pathetically over the top attempt here would be more successful if you didn't yourself hail from a country that still literally worships its monarchy, and whom believes that perpetual enslavement to a totalitarian centralized state is "freedom".

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ive noticed only the people who were very rich in Cuba and Venezuela support the American foreign policies
American has intervened in 72 countries since the 2nd world war, we need more people like Che who are strong enough to stand up for freedom

http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=john+pilger+war+on+democracy&hl=en&emb=0&aq=1&oq=john+pil#

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OP it would be nice if you knew anything about Cuba prior to the revolution. I am just one simple fact do you know that the cuban expect life time was 35 years and now today its among the highest in the world well past 70?

Cuba today is an amazing country and everyone I have ever meet that has gone there speaks nothing but praise.

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Erik, it would be nice if you weren't a shameless liar who had to invent outlandish fairy tales to pretend your third world dictatorship hellhole is utopia.

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"American has intervened in 72 countries since the 2nd world war"

You act like Castro hasn't gotten Cuba involved in any international conflicts. He sent Cuban troops to fight and train troops in conflicts as far flung as the Yom Kippur War (against Israel) and the Ogden War (a conflict between Ethiopia and Somalia). What concern are these countries problems to Castro? And Egypt, Eritrea, Syria, Angola, and other nations he supported are far from being "free."

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I've noticed the only people who like Che are bloodthirsty totalitarians who have no problem with the far greater imperialism and massbgebocide committed in the name of their totalitarian Marxist dogma.

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Do they memorise his speeches for extra credit or just 'cause it's so much darn fun?

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All you give are these cheap, superficial reasons why your suck ass country is so awesome. Maybe something with a little more weight to it, then I might pay attention, other than that, NOPE. Keep making those travel brochures, I'm sure you'll get a bonus this year.


I am Jack's raging bile duct

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"the Luddite", you say you are returning to Cuba soon...I guess the fact that you werent back there yet explains why you were able to type your post and express yourself in the first place?...or do you have a "hacked password" ?

CONTROLLED INTERNET

Reporters Without Borders last year denounced Cuba as one of a dozen nations with the most controlled and least accessible Internet, grouping the country with Iran and Vietnam. While Cuba boasts that it has computers in every school, a U.N. Human Development Report says the number of its Internet users pales in comparison with Costa Rica, with 288 users for every 1,000 persons, and Honduras with 44. .

Individuals cannot legally buy computers or sign up for regular Internet service without government permits that are almost impossible to obtain, so the nation's 335,000 desktops and laptops belong largely to the government, state enterprises and special individuals such as trusted doctors.

Internet cafes aimed at foreigners charge up to a Cuban's average one-month wage for an hour of surfing. But a black market has emerged, where users ''rent'' time slots from legally approved contacts.

''One of the things young people here most want is Internet, or satellite TV, or anything that offers different options than the ones offered here,'' dissident Vladimiro Roca said in a telephone interview from Havana.

Five Cuban university students were suspended for up to five years for violations that their information technology school deemed ''very grave'': running chat rooms and using school servers to sell Internet access to others.

Cuba's Internet police, the Office of Information Security, caught the students at the University of Information Sciences (UCI) using school property to charge $30 a month for stolen Internet passwords, according to a video of a campus meeting, smuggled out of the island.

Critics of Fidel Castro's government say the video illustrates the lengths to which young Cubans are willing to go to access information in a place where the government tightly controls all information. A university whose dean says in the video is aimed at ''training the guerrillas of the new era'' instead found its students using their skills to hack their way to the outside world.

'It's easy for you to say: `They were using stolen passwords or appropriating government resources,' but that's because here we have the option of using the Internet,'' said Antonio Rivera, editor of the online news site La Nueva Cuba, which obtained the video. ``They have no other alternatives.''

La Nueva Cuba posted the hour-long video, titled ''Point of Necessary Reflection,'' on its Web site. Intended by its makers for internal use, Rivera said it was smuggled out through a third country but declined further comment.

The video shows university officials blasting students for creating three chat rooms for students' online dating, and also for running a discussion forum hosted by a Cuban-American in the United States.

HACKED PASSWORDS

The students, officials added, also distributed hacked passwords belonging to authorized Internet users. A meager nine out of every 1,000 Cubans are estimated to be Internet users, most of them linked to the government.

None of the suspended students' activities were political, but university officials cautioned that at any moment they could have taken a turn against the Cuban revolution.

''We have to be very careful of these semi-clandestine chats which are not official chats,'' university chancellor Melchor Gil Morell, former vice-minister of Information and Communications, said on the video.

``The majority wind up hurting the revolution and conducting illegal acts.''

He said the government will revise its penal code to make illegal Internet access punishable by up to five years in prison.

Among those leading the meeting on the video are student leader César Lage, the son of Cuban Vice President Carlos Lage, who urged students who have computers to use the Web to spread positive aspects of the government.

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First of all, Venezuela had the largest inequality of Latin America before Chavez was elected president.

I am not sure if now is better than before. But before Chavez the situation was terrible, otherwise he would not have been elected president.

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Chavez never threatened anyone. He simply kicked out the U.S. ambassador, who was accused of spying for the CIA. And he probably did spy too. The CIA has toppled more governments in South America than i can remember over the past 60 or so years, so it's not impossible that the ambassador was a spy for them. Then of course there are the many U.S. corporations who have abused human rights in South America over the years and hired thugs to murder anyone who tries to start a union or critisize the corporation. Just look at the United Fruit company. They exploited south American workers to the extreme and hired assassins to kill anyone who tried to put a stop to it. And almost every time a socialist government has been elected, the U.S., through the CIA, has overthrown it. In short, the U.S. has a long history of human rights abuses, overthrowing of government and running the errands of huge multi national corporations in South America. They were also behind the failed coup against Chavez a few years ago. So Chavez has every reason to be cautious and kick out anyone who could be a potential threat to his government. And since when is Chavez a dictator? He was democratically elected. You should stop watching the propaganda of the corporate media in the U.S. and read some history about U.S. involvement throughout South America, and you will see why any socialist government has every reason to feel threatened by the U.S.

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Well, you Chavistas didn't let the reality of his poverty-enforcing dictatorship crack your delusions THEN, you're sure not gonna do it now that he's dead and his empire collapsed under its own totalitarian Marxist weight.

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dude this is america not cuba. we can make films on wtf we want. go buy a no.2 pencil and pass 1st grade.

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You know what? That's YOUR problem. Go watch "Rambo" or some other moronic glorification of "democracy" and chill out. Nobody is forcing you to watch this film. I only watch what I like - that is now freedom to you (although thanks to thr system that you praise so much there is still less and less choice of what to watch or to read!). Nobody is asking for your support, relax and have a Coca Cola.

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Except the type of stupidity one should expect from a Useful Idiot named "Pravda".

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Amen, Leordaz. It's time these people pulled their heads out of their asses.

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Cuban doctors are now all around the country...


And this is bad because...?


Hey, Mr. President! I campaigned for the other guy, but I voted for you!

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Very nice post edbro75 even if it wasn't written by you, in fact, capitalism devours everything, but capitalism is also blind and greedy, capitalism dont have to think, they just want the money even if they have to sell the images of their worst enemies, that's the irony of it all, even if Che's image is a way to give capitalists some money, there always be some people who want to know who's that man so carismatic in that image, this way Che's ideals will always survive, promoted by...capitalism....

Capitalists are so blinded by their greed, that they even promote their biggest enemies ideals.

Viva el Che!

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Where would you be without capitalism? If you all love Cuba, Che and Castro so much., why don't you move there?

Because below all you left-wing commie crap you LOVE America. AMERICA *beep* YEAH!!! If America is sooo bad, the get the hell out.

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Well what about "america" gets the hell out of all the countries where they have troops? What about "america *beep* yeah" stop killing innocents in all the countries they've been killing for the last 50 years?

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So you're saying imperialism is only okay when you communist psychopaths do it.

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"If America is so bad get the hell out"

Have you ever stopped to think about the message you are delivering? You are essentially saying it is un-American to criticize the actions and policies of our government. It's truly disturbing that political dialogue in the United States is so low that those who question capitalism are often written off as "left-wing commie crap," as put by dennistraberg. Seriously, does my support for universal health care make me a communist?

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"Seriously, does my support for universal health care make me a communist?"

That reminds me a quote......

"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist."

Dom Helder Camara

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Too bad the only thing Che "gave" to the poor was lead.

Also? Stealing everybody's income and then throwing them a piece of bread isn't charity, you totalitarian Useful Idiot.

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Says the moron who outright thinks all "dissidents and counter revolutionaries" to his totalitarian Communist ideals must be locked up and executed.

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no body is in america, and we r only criticizing the government, after all most americans r dumb because of the government, first get the hell out of Afghanistan, Iraq, stop sending drones in Pakistan, just get the *beep* out of the rest of the world u bitches r killing

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More like, "Socialists are such shameless, bloodthirsty hypocrites, they'll not only murder and enslave millions in the name of their totalitarian ideals, they'll also sell you the home video of it".

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How can you not support Sean Penn. Into The Wild was great and Milk will be too.

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