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I'll tell you guys what happened at the end

posted 19 years ago by korrosyve
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In Big's rage over the death of Jade he killed the sparrow. This caused him to earn some bad karma of his own. While meditating he spawned another version of himself, one who chose to continue in his life of rage, as well as the version of himself who went to HongKong.

The AngryBig stayed in the mountain and ended up killing the cop chick when he saw her as a way of paying her back for the evil that he saw her do in her past life. The guy she saw pop out of the bushes was Sun Ko, he didnt kill her. He ran away, but while she was looking for him AngryBig caught her and killed her. It was his punishment that he killed her, as well as hers.

MainBig chose a better lifestyle (although not a perfect one) and was absolved of his sin of killing the sparrow (to a point). His punishment was losing the cop chick.

What I dont understand is how he got so skinny at the end? Was he wearing a body suit through the whole movie? Cuz it did look like it sometimes (because of the odd wrinkles). But he had such motion and the muscles seemed to move under the "skin" and even his head looked wider, so I thought it might be real. Or was it maybe a different actor at the end who looked like him?

[–] Orbas 19 years ago

Yes, it was a suit. No doubt about it.

[–] wfw0745 19 years ago

Andy Lau was wearing a body suit. He's actually quite skinny. There was a rumour that he had cancer since he was so damn skinny.

Oh that is a good theory, I'll have to ponder that, but I really do think Sun Ko killed Cecelia.

[–] Dali6105 19 years ago

Man, I thought it was pretty obvious he was wearing a suit of some kind.
I'm surprised this is even cause for debate at all.

There is another film with andy lau and sammi cheng where they're both wearing fat suits, and they're supposed to be obese or something.

[–] axamoto 19 years ago

I think your interpretation is correct. The notion of where the angry Big came from could have been better explained better in the film, however. Or rather, it could not have been explained worse.

As for the question of whether or not Andy Lau is wearing some muscle body suit in the movie. You must be joking?! It's like asking if Darth Vader is wearing a helmet. I think the reason Big was Small at the end was to emphasize the fact that he had spent so much time int the mountain searching for Sun Ko.

[–] TehLox 19 years ago

I think that the skinniness at the end was more symbolic of Big losing all vestiges of the materialistic past he had lived while in hk. By fighting and stripping, he was leading a lifestyle which having a brawny body enabled.

Only after finding himself, whether that be an actual physical manifestation or a really intensely metaphorical vision, could he earnestly begin to search for Sun Ko.

This is why he hugs Sun Ko rather than killing him, in finding himself he realizes that karma is dependent on his action and he ultimately doesn't want to face the consequences of killing another human.

[–] makoto64 19 years ago

That's the most "intelligent" summary of all posted. (Although you were a bit daft NOT to see through the makeup, but it was a nice credit to the artists.) The clue is in the title. "Musclemen" are not considered "intelligent", or in this case, ZEN. So, while there is a logical, realistic answer to how or why Big became small, the karmic answer is that he had shed both of his self-made false skins, (or "false minds", as Buddhists refer to the opposite of "basic mind", which is ZEN, truth, and the goal of all students/followers of 'the way'). A body builder is by nature self-absorbed and incredibly vain, (check out the scenes with Big in a room with some rich perv and a few giggling sluts where he catches food in his mouth and flexes like a performing animal in captivity- the look in Lau's eye is bang on - and when Big and his fellow musclemen walk down the street then stop to pose in front of a shop window, unable to pass up their own reflections, which all "musclemen" really do!) So neither falsehood was "Big" or "true" or "ZEN". The average (stress that word) monk was the real, "basic" man who would no longer be called "Big", and that's ZEN, baby.

BTW: I'm not a "know-it-all". Just a man who ran a group of male strippers for a couple of years and a lifelong follower of the Way of the Warrior/ZEN.

[–] diw_ar_sing 18 years ago

i dont think there is another version of himself spawned. the one you see in the fight towards the end is of himself learning and realizing that if he kills Sun Ko the chain will start again and he decides to stop it by not avenging the girl hence the english title "running on karma"

[–] lee5 18 years ago

i agree with diw ar sing. the final conflict between himself and the Other was like Luke Skywalker's fight with himself; it was a conscious struggle to choose the path of the righteous. seeing the statue of Buddha was what triggered this realization, and when he chose to accept his 'death' at the hands of his doppelganger, the double lost 'power'. big accepted his karma, that both of his girlfriends died, and thus he was able to save sun ko.

[–] blw_me_nw 17 years ago

this is what i think happend, after he got the news that the cop chick died
he went up the mountains to avenge her by killing Sun Ko, instead when he got there, part of him didn't want to kill Sun Ko cuz of the karma, the fight between the Biggie, and the Bushy Biggie looks exactly the same, so i think it was all in his head with 2 different outcomes, outcome 1 was to kill Sun Ko and stay in the mountains or to forgive Sun Ko...which he did, after forgiving Sun Ko the Bushy Biggie disapeared,Biggie then went bak to the temple and became a monk again

i think thats what happend for now
if its anything different i'll post again

ok watched it again...my ending doesn't work
hahaha