Playing the race card...


Am I missing the big picture from the message boards?

Is there some secret rule that only certain races can play in certain movies, sitcoms, plays, etc.?

As I understand it, a large portion of people complaining on the message board, do not like the film because:

The original cast members were white people. The remake cast members are
black people. Therefore, by having a black cast play the beloved roles of
The Honeymooners, the movie is no good, the actors are no good, and the
story is awful.

Also, black people should only star in remakes of movies, were the original
cast is black because the original cast was black. These black movies show
the special activities that only black people do. White people could NEVER
remake a black movie because it would be written off as racist.

Finally, when it comes to cinema, black people have "their" movies. And
white people have "theirs". A line to never be crossed, never to be
formally discussed, yet universally understood and accepted both
groups. How dare a group of black actors march in and remake a white
classic!(Even though we all know, the actors had nothing to do with the
movie's marketing, distribution, directing, producing, or writing! Who
cares! They should have said no because there were white actors out there
that should have, would have, and could have done far better because they
were white.)

Why ruin a white, classic like the Honeymooners when blacks could star in
the Jeffersons, Boyz n the Hood, or a great, classic Martin? A white
actor could never play Dr. Cliff Huxtable! (That would be racist!)***


***((What's one reason it would be racist for a white, Non-Black, or Bi-racial person to play the character Dr. Cliff Huxtable? No one gave a reason for this--I am curious.))

Anonymity can be bring out the worst in people! We really have some deep rooted issues to work out in our world.

On the other hand, there were quite a few postings that blew these baseless remarks right out of the water.

It's sad to bash actors because of their skin color--something natural that cannot be changed. Instantly, the movie was not good enough because the actors were black--not funny side characters but principle talent.

Without giving the movie a chance beyond the previews, it was written off as a nightmare, disgrace, and throwback. Wow! Talk about playing the race card, this trick wins the game!








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I definately think this movie was made to make a fast buck as well as some sort of curious self indulgence from one of the makers of this flick. I think the only reason any of these comedic actors were even involved was because of some easy money. Yes, I do think some movies shouldn't have a differnt twist of complete racial casting. Especially films/shows that told a specfic cultural way of life or a classic story that influenced/reflected a particular society.

For instance: Shaft, Roots, even Friday would be absolutely crazy if they did something to those like that, just as much if you did that to Grease, Scarface, and yes Honeymooners. They are cultural icons and that represented a way of life/attitude/location/hardship/humor for that particular culture.

I am all for casting ANYONE for a role in a remake as long as it is because of their talent as an actor/actress or for their particular attribute to be able to represent that character. In fact, I challange some people to come up with a great example of this?

1.) Naomi Watts - The Ring (original was better, but remake was nice too!)
2.) Michael Clarke Duncan - Daredevil (Bad movie, but I like who they chose to be the Kingpin!)
3.) ???


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I agree with your view that the Jeffersons ought not be remade. I can't see anyone else playing George J. (yes I am aware Helmsley wasnt the first GJ). But sadly if you are opposed to remakes then you are totally swimming upstream. Some titles lend themselves to remake more than others. Charlies Angels fr'instance. Certainly not the greatest movies ever made, but the concept lends itself to remake very much. None on the girls really owned those roles which is maybe a sad comment since they were designed to be templates to fit any pretty jiggly broad.

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I didn't hate the movie because they were black. I hated the movie because I didn't laugh a single time. In fact, I didn't smile a single time. In fact, I never once in 90 minutes even had the slightest urge to smile. The movie was a pointless waste of time, just as Cedric the Entertainer is a pointless waste of space.

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I do not think anyone acting today could remake THE HONEYMOONERS to the standard of the original. Race has abosolutely NOTHING to do with it. NOTHING AT ALL. The original work was a concept piece and tailored to the original casts style and pathos. It was also very depend on the time period and the mores and cultural aspects of the day.

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I think it has less to do with race than it has to do with the characters. Ralph was a character created by Jackie Gleeson, and to many, he IS Ralph Kramden, myself included. I grew up watching reruns, and loving this show. You could throw ANY actor into the role, and I would most likely hate it. But you throw in someone like Cedric the Entertainer, and add in the fact that rumors were that they were trying to update and urbanize the humor, and that set many fans of the original off. I never watched the film because it looked like a sad attempt to make a quick buck on the name of a show I grew up loving and couldn't compare, not because of the race of the actors.

That being said, I also don't think you could throw just any white guy into the role of Cliff Huxtable, because he's a character that was created by Bill Cosby, and was, in essence, Bill. Not too many actors could pull that off.

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Chuck

I enjoyed it myself. To me it had a slow start but it kept getting better as it went along. The fact it was remade with black sctors? WHO CARES!!

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I could not agree more chainsaw. black, asian, hispanic, or white this movie should not have been made.

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With a better script, Bernie Mack might have pulled this off. Cedric The Self Important, however, isn't up to that level of material.

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Beddiewong-

"Even though we all know, the actors had nothing to do with the
movie's marketing, distribution, directing, producing, or writing!"

Cedric the Entertainer is listed as being the Executive Producer...

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The main problem with this movie is it should have been set in the 1950's and they should have casted Bernie mac as Ralph because Cedric is not funny!!!!
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I think if you take anyone's beloved program, something they remember fondly, and change it all up it's going to piss them off. No, it's not a racist thing so much as it's that people want a remake to evoke nostalgia, to be at least a little reminiscent of the original. These characters already have a face and while no one today will exactly match that, they should try to come a little closer. I think it's completely hypocritical for the makers of the movie to cast the fat / skinny combo the original series used but then to get all pissy when people point out the other glaring physical difference. If how they look matters, then it matters. If it doesn't, then why go for body style at all? Claiming that somehow the physical counts but then again, not if it comes to race is playing the race card. The movie was a bomb for a reason. It was a remake, therefor its target audience should have been the people who remembered the original and wanted to revisit it a little, with a modern twist. But when they change it so drastically in one aspect, they lose that. It's not racist, anymore than it would be homophobic to object to making Ralph and Alice be a gay couple, or geo-centric to want to keep the show in NYC rather than, say, Malibu.

How racist is it for people to get upset with me if I decide to remake Sanford & Son with Ted Danson and Ashton Kutcher? It just wouldn't be the same and in a remake, 'same' is what you want.

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"It's sad to bash actors because of their skin color--something natural that cannot be changed."

Actually to a degree blackness CAN be changed. Skin can be bleached. Hair can be straightened. And in countries where lighter skin means social privilege, darker people do indeed try to lighten themselves up to fit in and get ahead.

As well-intentioned as your post is, you make the mistake of implying that people cannot be criticized for their skin color because it can't be changed - i.e. it's not their fault, they were born that way. Which begs the question: what if they weren't born that way? What if it were a choice? Would that make it any less acceptable to be black? Or what if, in the future, technology allows us to change skin color completely? Would it be ethical to do so?

It shouldn't matter how people were born. There's nothing wrong with being black, no need to apologize for it. And you also leave open the possibility that it IS acceptable to judge people based on things they weren't born with, things they chose. For example, their religion, or their political affiliation, or the race or gender or age of their romantic partner.

Yes people are born with things like skin color and sexual orientation, and it's unfair to persecute those who don't match the dominant social group - but what makes judging people different from you wrong isn't that the person didn't choose to be what they are - what's wrong with it is that you are unfairly judging someone based on something superficial, at the expense of knowing them as a person. Being merely born with something should not be what qualifies as something deserving of respect. We should respect people based on what they choose to do with their lives.

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Its because no amount of change in an adaptation is acceptable.

Not even race.

Thats like changing George Jefferson to a white man, or Zorro to a Chinese fellow.

It also could be said that its racist to cast a black man in the role of a bumbling fool character who threatens to send his wife "right to the moon."

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I don't think any classic TV show should ever be made into a movie. It's not just that it was done by an all black cast. The biggest problem was that nobody could play Ralph like Jackie Gleason. Nobody could ever find a guy, white or black, who could do a good job for that role. Yes, a big problem with the movie was the urban remake, but it was only the cherry on top of a huge bowl of "bad writing" ice cream and "horrific acting" whipped cream.

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"Being merely born with something should not be what qualifies as something deserving of respect. We should respect people based on what they choose to do with their lives." - smartest thing ever said on imdb in my opinion. bravo rlong. chronicbliss, I also agree with most of what you said.

I would just like to add that, although i have not seen this movie, I'm sure that if it truly is bad, it's because it's just plain bad and a cash in without a lot of thought put into it.

The best honeymooners remake that i can think of is actually another tv-show...The King of Queens which isn't a true remake but shares a lot in common with the honeymooners and you can tell that kevin james tries to emulate jackie gleason in a lot of ways. and in TKOQ, norton's part is represented by deacon, who is black but does a great job.

my point is, bad crew, bad marketing, and bad casting = bad movie. the casting was not only bad because it was such a drastic change, but the actors that were cast just plain suck and are no where near qualified to do those roles justice.

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