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got nothing on the last waltz


The last waltz has superior cinematography, songs, more of the band which is arguably the greatest rock band of all time(of course everyone is going to disagree with me because you almost surely haven't heard rock of ages). The fact is that festival express was shot during a time when drugs were very prevalent and it is clear that everyone giving performances were on drugs or had been on drugs and their performances suffered greatly because of it. How can this movie be rated so high is beyond me, oh yeah i forgot this is imdb, ratings do not reflect true ratings by people who are qualified and have enough experience to rate movies

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i mean it's awesome and everything, don't get me wrong, it still has nothing at all on the last waltz. The last waltz is infinitely more professional.

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THE LAST WALTZ is overall a superior movie, but FESTIVAL has things going for it as well.

FESTIVAL is much more "organic", in the sense that it is a real slice of life that captures the feeling of the times. THE LAST WALTZ is basically hagiography and myth making.

Richard Manuel is in much better shape in FESTIVAL. By THE LAST WALTZ, he was basically a shambling, broken down drunk who was incapable of singing more than a few verses at a time. Most of his performance in THE LAST WALTZ was taken out of the movie, partially for technical problems but mostly because of the shape he was in. "The Shape I'm In" was his best moment, and is hardly first class Manuel, although his obviously sad condition does add a certain poignancy to the performance.

By contrast, his performance of "I Shall Be Released" in FESTIVAL is probably his best moment on film...except for maybe his version of "Georgia on my Mind" on SNL.

There were tons and tons of drugs at THE LAST WALTZ...more cocaine than booze and LSD, but it was hardly cleaner than FESTIVAL. Most of The Band's performance had to be overdubbed, but again, that was mainly technical.

The thing that is so wonderful about FESTIVAL is that it captured these artists at the absolute peak of the "classic rock" genre. The mood is joyful and one that suggests infinite possibilities, that the train will just keep rolling forever. THE LAST WALTZ represents the end of the first and greatest era of rock music, a swan song and going away party. The mood is bittersweet at best and suggests that what is to come will not be a good as what has passed.

Watch 'em both, back to back, and you'll have a hell of a double feature.

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you must check out rock of ages, 1971 new york concert with bob dylan this is the band in their prime.

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Yeah, I have ROCK OF AGES, both the original version and the newer one with the extra disk, including a Dylan set.

I think the extra disk is the best part. The original is indeed a fine concert, but sometimes I prefer the original arrangements to the horn heavy versions of ROCK.

Honestly though, I think songs like "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" and "Stage Fright" were better at the Last Waltz than any other performance.

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Yeah, and when Jerry leans over and tells Janice that he loved her the first time he set eyes on her is priceless. Besides it's not in a contest with TLW. I give it an 8.

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I like the Last Waltz, I love The Band. But who made this a comparison?

Apples and Oranges

You are a chump, straight up

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Exactly. I'm pleased to own TLW and excited that I just found Festival Express in my local shop, haven't had time to watch it yet. But remember folks, TLW was directed by Martin Scorsese ferchrissakes so it's hardly fair to compare them as pieces of movie-making.

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Different-drummer, we cross paths again!!!

This is an amusing thread as these movies should not be compared at all. There is a comment in the Bonus Feature about "the making of Festival Express" that I took the inference to be that the decision to film all of this was a last minute "oh yeah, we should film it" type of thing. I think the guy who coordinated the filming says something about being hired the week before the tour started (I say that with some caution as I have only watched it once--but that's my recollection).

This tour was grossly underfunded. As is documented in the movie, the promoter took a bath and this film was lost for 30 years. It is definitely more of a "lost treasure" type of thing.

The Last Waltz on the other hand was much better planned and funded. It was intended to be the documentation of the swan song of the band, and so it's planning and execution were taken much more seriously. A better comparison may be with The Grateful Dead Movie, which also was at the time felt to possibly be the "Swan Song" of the Dead. There was a lot of uncertainty around whether their hiatus was temporary or permanent. Clearly, the professionalism of that film is much greater than Festival Express, as is the TLW.

There is another "lost treasure" out there I have seen as well called "Sunshine Daydream". It has never been commercially released--though rumors have it that it is in the vault and there are some possibilities it will be someday. I have seen it and read a review that was in a SF paper, so it seems to have been shown somewhere. Anyway, it is also "Organic" as someone above called FE. Similar to remembering to film at the last minute, at this concert (a benefit by the Dead and NRPS to help get the Kesey family dairy farm out of debt) no one remembered lighting for the stage. So toward the end of the film, the Dead are performing at sunset and the lighting gets worse and worse and worse. It's hilarious, but those types of concerts don't happen anymore!!!

One other thing. Festival Express is wonderful because Pigpen is seen performing (and sings lead on two bonus songs). As someone who came to the Dead shortly after he died, it was fascinating seeing him perform for the first time!!!!!!!


Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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Correct Janos. This movie isnt about any one band in particular like the Last Waltz was. It was about a journey made by various bands on a train. Its a time-capsule more than anything else. More like Woodstock and Monterey than anything else. There's more of something here for everyone than there is in The Last Waltz. Janis Joplin, Buddy Guy, The Grateful Dead, even Sha Na Na. It showed alot of diversity and a nice sampling of how the Love Generation existed. The Last Waltz will alwasys be a classic but this is awsome in an historic way.

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I haven't heard Rock of Ages (except Don't Do It which is amazing both here and on The Last Waltz), but I completely agree with you about The Band.

In my opinion, they mop the floor with The Dead. I do think they did their share of drugs, however, even in The Last Waltz.

I'm about to watch this, and hope I like it, but if this is rated higher than The Last Waltz I can (even without seeing it yet) already call BS. The Last Waltz was so much more than a great "concert"...it's a great film.

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After seeing Festival Express, I can confirm that it doesn't come close to The Last Waltz...BUT it was a real joy to watch the film anyway.

The Janis Joplin footage is amazing...I'd always heard so much about her and never really understood what the big deal was...until now. Did she ever kick it during her two songs here. Just amazing.

But what REALLY makes the entire film worth watching is the performance of "No Cane on the Brazos" by Rick Danko, Jerry garcia, Bob Weir, and Janis Joplin...together, on a train car, while drunk/stoned. In addition to offering the ONLY chance to see these legends in the same place (and making music together), it really took me back to the experiences I had in college.

Aside from the fact that these were famous musicians and we were simply college kids with guitars...the "feel" was nearly identical. I truly think this sequence captures the joy of spontaneous musical creation better than any scene ever filmed.

So Festival Express, while less than a great movie, is a valuable historical document with one-of-a-kind footage that makes criticism all but irrelevant. I can't wait to rent the disc and check out the special features.

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Wow, it's been more then 2 years but the "Ain't No More Cane on the Barzos" scene is my favorite. Danko is toasted. Then Garcia make Janis blush. It's great, I loved it. This song showed up 5 years later on The Basement Tapes by Dylan and the Band.

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