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Questions about the movie and plot - please answer


1) Why did Gabrielle die? Was his death just an accident? Or did Eve have something to do with it too?

2) There was a scene in the ending that shows Eve and Gabriel making it in a... shower... I think it was them... and then Eve's face became like the nuns. What did that have to do with anything?

3) From the ending I am not sure to what is the truth. Is it:
a) Eve was doing everything by herself and she was a psycho and there was no nun.
b) Eve was the nun reincarnated
c) The nun possesed Eve.

4) What did Eve blocking out her memories have to do with anything?

5) Who was Miguel?

6) How was Eve present for Joanna's death if Joanna lived all the way in London?

7) Is there a copy available with English subtitles?

8) How did Joel come up with the conclusion that Eve was the nun?

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1. I tend to believe this was just an accident.

2. I don't recall such a scene with Eve and Gabriel in the shower. There was a scene of Eve making out in a shower, then the water was accidentally turned on, making her wet. This was a flashback from an earlier scene during her graduation party. And this was what supposed to have turned Eve onto her evil way, if I understand it correctly.

3. I believe that as stupid as it may sound, my interpretation is B. The nun must have possessed Eve. Becasue why will she kill the women who actually helped and supported her mom. Or for that matter, why would she kill her mom? And why will the killings coincide with the anniversary of the nun's death?

4. Eve blocking out her memories made her unaware of what she was doing.

5. Miguel was a priest who was the pastor of their boarding school. I think he impregnated Mary (that the nun discovered when she caught Mary with the pregnancy test), and the child was Eve. Miguel was the author of that love letter that the nun was force feeding into Mary.

6. I agree, I think they forgot about this one. They never explained the first death, the one that happened before the death of Mary. Maybe this happened before the nun possessed Eve?

7. I don't know. I actually watched this one in the moviehouse the other day.

8. This was the biggest leap of faith the director asked his audience to do! This conclusion came from out of nowhere, and from the most unlikely person. I think this was what made the ending so horrible.

What are your interpretations, if you care to discuss with me?

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Woah.... THANKS so much for answering! that REALLY helped! ;)

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Here are my interpretations :)
1) I think Gabriel died because he was a priest-in-training and Mary was involved with a priest. If anything though, I think his death was the only real "accident" in the movie.

2) I resaw the movie and I saw that beginning clip and I understand it now. I think that the water hitting Eve was the thing that triggered the Nun.

3) I honestly think that Eve was doing it all on her own and there was no supernatural force at all. Everything that she blocked out from her memories manifested itself in a split personality. The side that everyone knows and loves is "Eve" and the side that is hidden and kills is "the nun". "The nun" side of her knows everything from that day when Eve was a little girl - she knows Mary's friends and the pictures of the saints, so that's how "the nun" knows how to kill the women. "The nun" also knows that Mary and her friends killed Sister Ursula. May I add that I believe Sister Ursula and "the nun" are not the same person. Anyways, while Eve knows nothing of what her split side is doing, "the nun" is killing all the ladies because she feels that she is avenging her own death. I believe that "the nun" thinks that she is Ursula.

4) After reseeing the movie, I think the blocking of Eve's memories created a split personality.

5) I now know that Miguel was the priest that mary got involved with.

6) I feel that perhaps she was there at the time, but no one cared to investigate it at the time.

7) I don't know. I bought my own version though.

8) I guess after realizing that Eve was there for all of the deaths, Joel decided that.


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You also have valid points here, Jay. I guess this movie, in its vagueness, makes people interpret it their own way. I guess if you hate the movie so much, like most people in this board, you wouldn't give this any additional thought.

Yes, I guess Gabriel was killed because he is a seminarian, and probably represented Fr. Miguel who was her father, what do you think? Especially that Gabriel already made his move on Eve, just like Miguel seduced Mary in the past. If you recall after Eve and Gabriel made out on the bed, the Nun persona showed up, but did not really harm Eve. Come to think of it, that incident that the Nun never really wanted to kill Eve, or else she would have done it right there. So this incident actually contributes proof to the premise that Eve and the Nun were one and the same.

You think Mary's journal told every little secret and when Eve read it, she internalized the nun character? The director never showed how Mary and Eve were as mother and daughter after that suicide attempt, did he? We just assumed they were in good terms, but maybe they weren't... I just wonder how Eve's friend knew about Mary's suicide attempt and that Eve repressed her memory of it? The death of the first classmate is still a big question, since at that time, Eve was probably busy with her finals or graduation matters, don't you think?

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All this makes me wanna write to the writer of the movie so he can explain everything to me, LOL

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no no
you do not get the real picture, yes gabriels death was an accident, there is no nun, just eve with a psychic problem. she was doing the whole murder and killings. and the death scenes that we all saw with a nun killing them were fake. They were the one which eve thinks that is happening while she is doing the crime herself. Dual personality may explain this.




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That's what I thought all along.

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so in short.. this movie is like the 'Fight Club'?? with schizophrenia??

So in the end, Eve just aim the spear at her body??

..but if this movie has to deal with the 'Dual Personality'.. how did she kill the one in London, the woman that got crucified, and the lady that had stuck in the elevator? --she just ran off very quickly to kill that fat lady, and ran quickly donwstairs? and forget everything?

And yeah, how did Joel came up with these assumptions?? he's not a ghost believer, he's like a party guy, .. then boom.. when he saw his girlfrend he realizes all these up!?


oh well.. spanish movies.

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Da_letter_jay,
1) Gabriel died because he represented Miguel (who we find out was Eve's father). Who's another man that's supposed to have kept his vow of celibacy, but broke it.

Remember the re-curring theme of the movie is..you're a great person, but once you sin, you have to be purified.

2)The scene that shows the Nun's superimposed over Eve's is like the surfacing of her repressed anger. (Or if you want the resurgance of the Nun's vengeful spirit.)

3) I'll start with your B-I don't believe that Eve was the Nun reincarnated. But it's a good/valid theory. If you go with that line of thought, then that would make sense as to why Eve had that break when she got hit by the water.

A- Yes we find out that Eve was the 'killer' so to speak. But she wasn't doing it intentionally. I think we could safely theorize just from her name Eve..(and the movie of multiple personalities called "The 3 Faces of Eve") the writers were saying yes, she had multiple personalities. So she didn't consciously intend to kill anyone.

C-I like to believe that it was a combo of your C- because there's still a strong link to your C that the Nun possessed Eve to get retribution/revenge on all the girls who'd played a part on her death. and A-the temporary possession gave her the strong urge to kill them.

4- I don't think that it's that she necessarily blocked out her memories. It's that she was too young to realize what they actually meant. That and you can assume that her mother was probably a religious crackpot as well. And of course she found the diary and it just made her 'now adult' mind start piecing things together.

5- Miguel was the priest that had an affair with Eve's mother, and coincidentally is also her biological father. When he dumped her mom, her mom tried to commit suicide out of depression.

6-There's nothing saying that she was't there.

7- The region 1 DVD I rented was dubbed in English.

8-Joel figured out she was the nun because he was left alive, and someone had to wrap up the loose ends for the audience. lol.

No, I think he realized she was the killer, because of having all the information as the rest of them, and probably because we didn't see the scene where someone who was barely alive, told him it was her. And because the one girl (I think the one who got shake and baked) was so terrified of her, when she realized who Eve was.

That, and the fact that she was going to spear the nun to death, and when they found her, she was the only shish kabbob in the water.
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Halapande, The reason I mentioned the whole Eve/Reincarnated Nun..I was watching...some Asian (Possibly South Korean) Film, where the 'evil' ghost/spirit/entitiy was able to reincarnate/possess the body of the baby, that already existed in the mothers belly.

The Ghost took control of the baby's body when it took it's first breath, after it was born. (Me I dunno. It was just intresting to me.)

So I was thinking maybe she was always 'possessed' but it was latent, and only surfaced the strongest when she was doing something 'sinful', kissing the boy in the shower/in time of drying the lake.

You're right, Joel really didn't believe in all the spiritual mumbo jumbo, he'd need something realisitc.

About Killing herself with the spear, My guess is because they were in the 'bathroom', she saw the 'Nun' in a reflection of the mirror, she shot at her, and it bounced off the mirror, tile or whatever, and it speared her.
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Halapande, please, no sorry's needed. We're all friends here. I ought to have been clearer in the first place :D
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Evilmonkeybitches, Thanks for the compliment.

The way I see the internet is, just because I'm a native English speaker/reader/writer that doesn't mean every one else is.

Maybe they're not on the same education level as I am.

Maybe they're dyslexic like I am, and I hate when people point out my typos, bad grammar, or lack of proper punctuation as if this is my university dissertation and I need to be graded.

And just maybe, English is thier 2nd or 3rd Language, or they're just learning it.

As far as I'm concerned, if someone comes to a place, and tries to participate in good faith, then I can try to listen. If I don't understand. I can ask for clarification. If someone asks me for a better explination. I try to say it a different way.

I wouldn't want to go to a predominantly Spanish (insert any other language I don't know well) speaking/reading/writing board, and try my best to participate, then have everyone point out my mistakes, instead of answering my question. that'd just be rude. And isn't in the spirit of furthering the discussion.

Fans should bridge the race, sex, language barriers, and just be able to kick back and chat about thier favorite subjects.

By the way. I must say I like your signature. Very cool.
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wait, but if Eve was the nun why could eve see and watch the nun?

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Because it was all in her mind, Kalline. I think the earlier poster is absolutely right: there was never any ghost. Eve had a split personality, the nun's.

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She didn't possess the baby, for pete's sakes. Only in strange foreign legends are people's spirits reincarnated in a body that already existed. Anyway, I think Eve did have split personality, the reason why no one else ever saw the nun.

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@Whitespirit26,
You wouldn't mean strange Foreign Lands, like oh say 'Spain'? Where "La Monja" was filmed?

The same strange, superstitious lands that where they not only believe in Possession's, but they had a real bonifide Excorcist! They still might, if Fr. Fortea who wrote "Interview With An Excorsist" still lives there. He lived in Navarre University In Spain whilst he wrote his thesis at least.

Um..ok..now that I've made my point..I'll stop teasing you..

Most folklore myths believe that when a Spirit possesses an unborn child, it's possible because it just wasn't strong enough to 'Fight' the Spirit Off. So that theory is 'still' possible.

But you're right she 'could' have had a split personality--but then they would have seen Eve killing them. And I'd have to rewatch the movie, but I don't think she was strong enough to do one of the murders.
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Well, here is my two cents.

1. I think the nun killed Gabrielle.

2. I don't remember that scene.

3. Obviously, we are meant to believe that the nun and Eve are the same person. This is evidenced by Eve being the one killed in the end and the conclusion presented by Joel. Now, as far as the possession and all that, the director pushes the boundaries of credibility.

4. IDK

5. The father.

6. Throughout the movie the director attempts to explain every murder, even if the explanation is not plausible. He missed this part. No explanation is ever given and Joanna's death adds to this horribly written story.

7. probably.

8. The director had to explain what happened in order to minimize confusion. However, he didn't take the time to work out the kinks, which is why this story remains incredulous.

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sorry more spoiler alerts here
he one plot hole that confused me was eves mother was supposed to be 18 when she was suspected? of being pregnant by the priest. yet when we see her with eve, eve is supposed to be 18, yet the mum only looks 30sh. - was the pregnany a scare or did she keep seeing the same guy after she left school - just if she was pregnant eve could only be 10/12. (also have to wonder how a school like that would really deal with the situation of its pupils getting pregnant -at least in the time its intended to be set in).

also if neve really was the nun. i can understand the scene of killing her mother- the scene in the elevator could? have been a geniune accident caused my malfunction, but as stated previously how did eve manage to shoot herself with a speargun?

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