Texting and Einstein


Firstly, I'm fully aware this is just a movie and a lot of people would say "just enjoy it, Star Wars isn't real - there's no such thing as wookies blah blah blah". I hear you, I really do. But, for the sake of a good discussion...

If she sends a message to him it takes 8 years for him to receive it. If he were to then reply, it would take another 8 years to get to her.

BUT,

How long would the time between sending a message and receiving a reply feel like to the girl? Wouldn't it not feel like a long time at all because isn't she aging slower than the guy on earth? So it might be a 16-year return trip for him but wouldn't it be less time for her? Or am I completely off the mark?

I'm really bad at physics but this is just what I've observed from discussion about this film (which I love, btw). Where are the physics professors?

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from what I gathered out of this (been a few months so I may have misremembered parts), the girl aged no faster or slower than he did. All that happened was that the ship shifted position in relation to earth, causing the transmission to have to cross a farther distance and hence take a longer amount of time each way.

So, as long as the ship stays X lightyears from earth, it will take X years for a message to traverse the distance, and another X years for the response to reach the ship. The perspectives shown in the film are seperate in both space and time, connected only by the fact that a message sent in one time is just arriving in the other. It has been days/weeks/months at most for her, and definitely years for him, but in no part to time manipulation or such. Events show are not occuring concurrently.

Now, one problem exists that it is quite possible that the ship could jump over a signal, going from an area that the signal has yet to pass through to an area the signal has already passed through, thus causing the ship to completely miss the response, wheras Earth is a relatively fixed point and thus will receive most (if not all) tranmissions aimed at it.

And, with response to the return voyage, based on his actions the ship has yet to return, so she has either aged so many years as well or died sometime during the return, that is left to the imagination, all that is needed to know is that the ship has yet to return by the time the text messages arrive at Earth.

However, when the ship arrives, they will both have aged the same amount since the last time they encountered each other, with any differences being extremely minor, assuming (of course) that her ship uses faster than light travel methods.

If not, then the closer to lightspeed you reach, the slower you experience time, and thus she would experience less time than he did, but for purposes of the story this is speculating about what happens after the end credits.

Hopefully that makes some sense.

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she did age slower than he did, the last text she sends makes reference to his 24th birthday and her being only fifteen(or sixteen i cant remember).

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That's only because he would be 24 by the time he received the message, which was eight years after she sent it (16 + 8 = 24).

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If you notice she never recives a message from him after pluto, it a pretty much her writing to him. So what is happening is when the movie is going from his perspective she is already dead, or even further away.

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I don't think they actually traveled close to the speed of light for 8.4 light years. I understood that the "warps" were through worm-holes or alternatively by jumping into another dimension where FTL-travel would be possible. This would mean that relativity wouldn't really matter to the plot.

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to answer your question, if she were to return to earth she would actually be noticeably younger than him. it has to do with her change in direction (turning around). In the film, though, no time dilation occurs. the age difference is just his receiving the message 8 years after she sends it. she's probably long dead by the time he receives it.

then again, the notion of simultaneity between two events at two different points in space... to compare the "amount of time" that has passed for each of them doesn't really work because they're in different rest frames.

It's something to consider in the context of the story I think--a lot of different ways to take it

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If they have FTL travel rime dilation would be irrelvent. However they might not be able to send messages faster than light. Of course with a FTL spacecraft any messages could be sent to the ship, it could return to Earth and transmit them without the 8 year gap. Though using warp drives might very well be too astonishingly expensive to use it trivially.

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There was no time dilation, they travelled instantaneously. However, text messages, being radio signals, travelled at the speed of light.

Hence, she sent the message when she got to the Sirius system, when she was 15, but she knew he would be reading it once he's 24, since the message took 8 years to travel. She would be either long dead by the time he received it, or she would have returned in the meantime.

Took me a while to sort this out as well. They never explain the warp, and they mention "tachyon communication" briefly, confusing things further.
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