Nicely done, but...


I'm not sure what source they used for this information, but this documentary, while enjoyable to watch, has some very poorly researched information presented. Let me put aside the facts, which are speculative and open to interpretation and concentrate on the obvious. First the host holds up the skull of Turkana boy and says that they (Homo Ergaster), have no language. Yet in the dramatization they are clearly talking to each other. Furthermore, would an African Homo Ergaster be so light skinned? What's with the commentary on the Neanderthals? "They weren't smart enough to face down an ice age." How could that be when they evolved to cope with the ice age in the first place, as the host points out later on in dramatization. And the comment about their noses being large to cool them off? The prevailing theory has always been quite the opposite.
Once you cut through all of the technical stuff, the rest of the film is good. The dramatizations are well done, the musical score is excellent and Baldwin, who really can't be faulted for the information that was presented to him, does a great job with some of the thought provoking comments.

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The research is poor for one reason and one reason only:

THE MISSING LINK IS STILL MISSING!

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How many goddamn links do you people need?


No, no - Pillage first, then burn! Stupid Vikings...

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OMG .. The missing link?? Are you mad?? Exactly .. How many links do you need? This documentary proves and the science behind it proves Intelligent Design and GOD doesn't exist.

So all you right wing republicons need to get off. God doesn't exist .. so get over it!

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I have to really agree with you about the incongruity of Homo Ergaster being so light skinned.
That really bothered me.
Here are people in Africa, and instead of looking African and dark skinned, they basically look white. Excuse me?
I don't think so.
It made it really difficult to watch, as if they couldn't even get that part right, why should I trust them about any other research/hypothesis?
Very disappointing.

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It really is just as much a speculation to suppose that homo ergaster was black as it would be to suppose they were white.
it is more than likely that the development of black skin is a direct result of the loss of body hair. Remember, chimps have white skin under their fur.
As for neanderthals not being able to adapt. It's not that they couldn't handle the cold, it's that they were specialized in dealing with the cold. The warming of the temperatures and the competition posed by Cro Mags is what they couldn't adapt to.

Before you ask, yes, I'm a nerd.

Tony

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Tony, I'm not so sure it would be speculation. Pigmentation of the skin, i.e. melanin is the body's response to sunlight. Do you really think that an arid land dwelling hominid would be pasty-white?

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If the animal were covered with fur, why would it not be lightly pigmented?

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Are you actually saying that the people of Africa started out looking white & became darker?
You can't be serious.

Most of the people on this planet have brown skin. It seems far more logical to me that this is the "norm" and the less protective, lighter skin color of Northern Europeans is a more recent development.

I could be completely wrong - but it seems to make more sense.

Using the skin color of furred animals for comparison makes no sense to me at all.
It seems a fairly absurd assumption that there is any connection at all between the skin color of furred animals - that already have protection from the sun, and humans who don't.

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Shut up. Most people in the world have white skin, that's because the most populous people are Asians. They have white skin. So your ridicuous statement and your mindframe altogether is whacky, it seems you're pursuing some sort of agenda.

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Riiiiiigghht!
Asians are white - you are crazy!
Asia, which includes the Middle East is full of white people - yeah, I buy that.
Dream on.
Moron.

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It seems someone, somewhere failed to inform you that Middle Easterners, Indians, Pakistanis... are caucasions. The Far East (China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Mongolia...) is a different matter.
There are only three "races" of homo-sapiens; Negroid, Caucasoid, and Mongoloid. The information in the quote posted is a fact.

Are you actually saying that the people of Africa started out looking white & became darker?
That's exactly what happened, spending time in the sun will make a person darker and that's a fact. The darkness of an African's skin is the result of a million year sun tan. Also remember that Africa was lush and topical before it dried out and didn't have many trees. You're not going to become dark if you have trees to hide from the sun in the shade.

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/9111/skincolorzd6.jpg

Missing link??? Have you ever seen an Australian Aborigine!

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4002/link2wj4.jpg

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You're forgetting that we're not talking about people in this series but of an, in fact, very different species than modern man.

Claiming that any aspect of that species must resemble modern humans' qualities is utter foolishness.

There is simply no way of knowing what the colour of their skin might have been, or even whether it was showing as much as was assumed on this series...

You can disagree with some of the assumptions, obviously, but in total it was a very nice piece of work, don't forget that.

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Several good points in this thread.

One limitation of using white homo sapiens to depict extinct ancestral species is that tons of makeup cannot fully hide the fact that they are indeed white homo sapiens. This was most obvious to me during the homo habilis segment. Alec Baldwin introduces it by explaining habilis skulls had a sharply backward sloping forehead which is very different from our vertically rising forehead. But then the dramatization begins with a close-up of an obviously white guy with vertical forehead in makeup. So it does detract a bit from the show and makes it tough to suspend disbelief. In this sense the pre-homo dramatizations were more effective because of full-body costumes.

But overall it was an interesting program and worth watching for the second time today.

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The actual fact is personally I believe that the ergaster had more hair than depicted onscreen - the transitional creatures wouldn't be white or black, but in between. Look at their orangy brown skin on Walking With Cavemen.

Not exactly white is it?

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If the chimp is indeed our closest living relative, then it is most likely that our most recent hair-covered relative had white skin under its hair. Which would mean that, yes, dark skin evolved from light skin, and light skin subsequently from darker skin. However skin color evolves much more quickly than other morphological changes, such as hair color or face shape. Darker skin wouldn't have existed while Africa was a jungle, or while humans were mainly tree-dwellers, as they would have had protection from the sun.

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I agree, it's a nice story, but who much of it can we take as fact?

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I don't think there are many 100% facts in this series. Don't get me wrong, I loved watching it. A great part of this is extrapolation from facts. It's difficult to take 1 million year old fossils and recreate a lifestyle. I think this series is just trying to put the advancement of our species into a better perspective. I really don't think they're trying to say "This is Robert, we know he existed, and hunted giant elk."

It's a lot of speculation and some or most of it might be wrong, but its not far off. And it explains how we got here much more factually based than any bronze-age holy book.

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