the ending?


Can anyone provide an insight on the ending as to whether Anne and James got back together after the funeral of Bill?

I am trying to understand the extent of my contempt for Anne and her behaviour.

I thought the movie was excellent.

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I agree he was pompous and totally painful.

However I think she was malicious - pushing him away, then dragging him back (the meeting in Paris)

She was also very weak - could never do what she said.

I found it hard to hate emily watson but by the end of the movie I really did.

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I didn't hate her, I felt for her. I think that she went with her feelings and I like that; although she should have just left her husband instead of playing him, but I think that she was like alot of people wanting their cake and eating it too. that is why marriage is so hard, it is hard to be committed to only one person, Bill met her needs, but so did her husband.....

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Just saw this film last night and really enjoyed it.I don't think that they will get together though.Think that their final meeting was closure for them,but peacefully.

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just seen it, drove all the way from bayview to collaroy and there were only 8 people watching it lol. the film is slow and uninspiring.. almost boring. I admire the patience of James, he should have divorced Anne the moment he found out that she as cheating and report her to police for killing their hosekeeper's husband.

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But what would he do about the hosekeeper's wife ?

Would she continue to look after his hose ?

Would she coil it and put it away at night ?

Would she stretch it to its fullest length and then use it to spray her nooks and crannies ?

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But then what would happen to the hosekeeper ?

Would she look after his hose ?

Would she she fold it into a coil at night ?

Would she pull it to its fullest length and then water her extremities ?

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I don't think Ann had a lot of choice in her behaviour. These things happen in marriages. Should she have repressed her feelings just to continue with the pretence of normality? She was not getting what she needed from James, and he could not, or would not, see this. He had grown into the habit of controlling her -- he was psychologically bullying her -- through manipulating her guilt. She drove it home to him when she told him, "I fail every test you set me, but you keep settting more. Why?" No wonder she found solace with that selfish, but at least easygoing jerk, Bill. When James sees how shabbily he has been treating her, he realises what love means and he goes to tell her he loves her and asks that when she thinks of him, she thinks of him without guilt, only happiness. He sets her free and that is a great gift of his newly realises love, I think. And none of it would have happened if she had not broken her bonds. Great film.

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I think all of you are absolutely horrendous. There was no need for her to repress her feelings in the first place. Whatever happened to sharing your thoughts with your spouse? Her husband had no idea she felt that way because she never TOLD him. She is completely to blame for everything failed in their marriage because she refused to communicate with him until it was too late. His "tests" were simply an expectance for common decency. I realize all the characters were meant to be blemished, but I never once felt her husband was a bad guy. Even my husband would have tried to wiggle his way out of a dinner party. Call me crazy, but honesty and loyalty should be the foundation to a good marriage. Love isn't enough in that respect.

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Elizabeth Ashley44, I couldn't be more agreed with you, particularly with your two last sentences!
The movie was very humane story about people who try to rationally arrange their lives and properly take care for their woes.
I also delight people like Tom Wilkinson's character who make everything in the cause to be in benefit for all and always try to be remembered with good.
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There's nothing worse than a quivering sap- & Wilkinson's portrayal was dead on! Maybe it's a "British" thing, but how his character reacts to the affair was repulsive. Those who apologize & rationalize the wife's behaviour, are practising THE time honored double standard in movie-making. A husband cheats, let's crucify him- a wife cheats, she has justification. For my money, there was too much "civilized" restraint being shown. I nominate the Wilkinson character for sainthood!!

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Hmm, I must see this movie as I am finding all these comments very confusing.

The book is set post WW2. Jill (Anne) married Jim young and found it hard to be herself. After he returned from the war communication became more difficult. He spent much time in London while she was alone, rudderless and bored in the country - but unable to tell him so as she felt ungrateful. Being married to him was her job. However, he was insensitive not to notice that she is always tense and frightened of letting him down. Bpoth of them are at fault but Jim is undoubtedly a pompous git and that is why Bule is so attractive to Jill.

In the book, Jill and Jim don't get back together and both learn a lot about themselves.

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You tell them girl!

"Hot sun, cool breeze, white horse on the sea, and a big shot of vitamin B in me!"

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Do you really think the husband would have understood if she had tried to discuss her feelings? He obviously loved her but he took her for granted and came across as a cold fish. I don't believe that his tests were " simply an expectance for common decency" at all. He had high expectations of her that she would play his version of a dutiful wife. He was emotionally unavailable and that is hard for any woman to live with.

I agree that love isn't enough but not in the way you mean. She deserved more from a marriage than what he gave. Loyalty is important but I see loyalty from a different angle. Was he loyal to her? His work came before her and his loyalty to his work was far greater than his loyalty to her. Just because a man doesn't abuse his wife physically doesn't mean he is a good husband. She wanted more than what he was prepared to give.

I don;t believe that having an affair is the answer and yes, she could have communicated her unhappiness but i just don't think it would have made any difference.

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Ok, you're crazy. Seriously, though, you could have made your point without calling other people, "horrendous" simply for disagreeing with you. So you're right and EVERYONE else is wrong. Do you feel better now?

Nobody was a, "bad guy" in the film - that was the point. They were all deeply flawed people-complex and contradictory.

Although you acknowledge the characters are blemished, you view them in black and white. It's certainly easier that way - one can tie it all up with a bow and it's neater and easier to resolve rather than struggle with what motivates these complex characters. This is messy and complicated - like life.

"Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it." Norman Maclean

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I agree with mdprobinson. I think that Anne felt the way she felt and "had no choice" in acting out her feelings with Bill. Personally I think that Anne and James will get back together now that Bill has died. After the funeral Anne and James talk. He expresses satisfaction that she's "alright" and that he "doesn't have to worry about" her. She asks him if he has time for lunch and he responds "I have if you have;" the door is open. I think that Anne and James have a newfound love and respect for one another. She has seen his warm, compassionate, forgiving side. And he has seen her selfless devotion, her strength--himself and through the eyes of people like Bills's father. Anne has become a woman to be admired, not ridiculed. They've both grown from this "episode" and I think they will come back together and British conventions be damned. They will do as they well--and deservedly--well please. I really liked this film.

Lane

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What I really love about this film is that its characters are human - with a blend of good and bad. For my money, I think Anne is rather fickle and weak, but she has the admiration of her charlady. James is a good man, but he's subconsciously undermining his wife at every turn because he's always striving for perfection - the right serving platter, the right country house. On an aside, that's an interesting theme that runs through the book - while Bill and Anne seem utterly confident, James seems to be always on the defensive about his place in the world, putting the portrait of a distant relative in pride of place.

Watching this the other day, it struck me that the whole film runs in reverse. At the beginning, James and Anne seem to have the perfect life that we associate with 'happily ever after', while the ending is ambiguous and full of possibility - more like the beginning of a conventional narrative.

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IMHO -- nobody has mentioned the importance of her inability to have a child. This had a profound impact on both of them and at the least was a force in their current relationship status.

They both harbored a sense of loss from the inability to have children and a nuclear family. She had the guilt and had to act out. He was angry and directed that towards her. These resultant behaviors caused them to divide emotionally and perhaps, intimately.

We live in a time where, for most, marriage is for children. This may open a large can of worms, but it's regretfully true. Just a thought.

For those not familiar with British culture and mores, SL offers an brief insight into UK lifestyle and attitudes towards marriage, infidelity, and the beautiful countrysides. The British are a wonderful culture and people that have kept close the dignity and best traditions of our ancestors. There is much to learn from them.

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This film portrays the stereotype of the upper class British people. I have never lived in England, but I have spent many Sunday nights with Alister Cooke watching Masterpiece Theater to recognize the the stereotype. I wonder if it still exits in England.

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I feel they may have reconsiled somewhere down the line, considering what they went through it was big to show up at the funeral for him and big of her to say are you free for lunch. They still had feelings for each other despite the hurt put upon him, he had to have realized that he drove her to a point, plus I would bet he understood her not abandoning her lover. He was aware of she had left him. and she has to realize she was wrong the way she handled the start of the affair, the film leaves it up to the viewer, and this viewer feels as in life people don't just give up [at least some people don't] on marriage when lessons were learned and there is a chance to reconcile. Two points, we must remember he was not aware of what she was going thru, and she became aware of his forgiveness. the two ingredients for a rekindle of there marriage.

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What happens next?

As a practical matter, the lover's death forces Anne to choose not between continuing that affair, but to going back with her husband, or being alone (at least for the time being). The film virtually never shows Anne as a person in her own right. Does she even want that? The film describes the affair as something that was in effect offered to her, not as something she actively sought out. Was her life before all that awful?

Probably not. And as others have pointed out, in so many words, she has now certainly gotten her husband's attention. Perhaps even on some level forgiveness.

But that does not answer what he will or should do.

On those two questions, I think the answers might well be different. Wilkerson's character now has good reason to fear his wife, fear that something like that might happen again. She more or less invites this kind of assessment on her view of the affair. It was so passively portrayed, which might make one think going forward that she will not seek one out. But on the other hand so little seems to have been necessary to encourage her into it. At a minimum the husband knows he will have to keep his eye on her constantly. Is that any way to live a marriage? No.

But the film also strongly suggests that his view of his wife is primarily not about some rational deduction. The assistant who eventually beds the husband is certainly the more sympathetic, even supportive, of the two. I may as I do find Emily Watson extremely attractive, but it is her character we are talking about here, and the assistant's character was objectively more appealing. Yet the husband clearly preferred the wife, and not because of their marriage vows. In the end, I think THAT husband, based on HIS feelings toward and love of is wife, despite her great sins against their marraige, will overcome his hurt, anger and concerns.

Of course by now I have clearly implied he should not go back with Anne. I can't imagine what life would be like for him going forward. It's not merely a matter of saying that she cheated on him that dictates this result, since I don't feel that way in all such cases. But in this particular case, her passive, matter of fact attitude is just too much of a concern going forward. It simply would not work.

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I think they will be much stronger, he learned his lesson and so did she. They are still in love but on a more respectful level, she got it out of her system and he will not put it back in there, no way/where but up for them in my opinion. By the way your analogy is great it just may be a bit complicated for two middle age people who are more simpler than what you portray. There problems died when they both let them die with the lover. He taught them what they needed to move on from him. Notice the beginning of a new relationship of are you free for lunch after they leave the funeral.

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Oh, so many people rationalizing her behavior! No body drives anybody to anything. We all have free will. He should have left her when she admitted what she did. And then she continues to rub his nose in it, what an f-ing bitch! And once again it is sooo true, man cheats and he's a dirty dog, a women cheats and "she must have had a reason. The husband should have cashed in his chips and left the table. Had he survived the boyfriend would have eventually gone on to someone else and left the wife alone.

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