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How do the men treat there mothers?


I see most of the women in this movie have little to no rights and are not treated with any respect. Do they treat there mothers/sisters/daughters any better?

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i dont know about mothers. but daughters and sisters have been beaten, disfigured and killed. even muslims in the US. one guy ran over and killed his teenage daughter because she was too 'AMERICANIZED'. what do u expect when you move to US?
I THINK MOTHERS WOULDNT MAKE IT TO 30, UNLESS THEY LEARNED SHARIA LAW REAL WELL.
there is also a hiearchy 1.muslim men 2.dogs 3.cows 4.goats 5.muslim women 6.muslim children. if ur not muslim u must convert or die. their thinking anyway.

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To Drunk Daddy , there are like 15 million Muslims in the US ( Wikipedia ) if one or two or three or even more that doesn't make it the common ,,, don't just generalize the bad actions of some people on all others. this is totally out of logic.
and Islam doesn't tell Muslims to kill people cause they are not Muslims.

I live in Egypt and we have Muslims and Christians here, Christians here are our neighbors and our friends. Christians are like 12 % of the population and they live in peace. no one is being forced to convert ever.
The Religion (Islam) clearly forbid Muslims to force any one into converting to Islam

simple as that , religions and believes are things that people hold in hearts and minds, something you can't change by force.

if you do they will simply say ok I'm now as you want , but deep in his heart he is not ... what's the point of it ?
you won't benefit anything if he converted or not ,,, your religion ( what ever your religion is ) won't win with his conversion , and the religion of the forced one won't lose anything.

here is a verse from Quran that says exactly what i said about forcing people into conversion

Chapter 2 verse 256 " There is no Compulsion in religion Verily,the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taughut* and believes in God, Then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And God is All hearer, All-knower."

* Taughut : this word covers a wide range of meanings : it means anything worshiped other than the Real God (Allah)

and for the people who would ask Who is Allah , Allah is word God in Arabic
God has many names but yet He is the one we all know as the only Creator of the universe

Jews say Elohim far as i remember , Christians here in Egypt who speaks Arabic also say Allah just like Muslims.

it's something about languages ...

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back to the point ...
people all over the history and nowadays world do things , and to justify it, they claim it's the religion that tells them to do so.
while the religion has nothing to do with those things ...

I will answer the main question How Do Men (Muslims) Treat There Mothers ...

I will show you two verses from Quran it's like the bible for Christians and Torah for Jews

Read them and you should understand what the religion tells Muslims ( men and women ) how they should treat their parents ( Moms and Dads )
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In the name of God
Chapter 17 , Verse 23 :"And your Lord has Decreed that you worship none but Him. And that you be dutiful to your parents. If one of them or both of them attain old age in your life, say not to them a word of disrespect, not shout at them but address them in terms of honour."
verse 24: "and lower unto them the wing of submission and humility through mercy, and say: "My Lord! Bestow on them Your Mercy as they did bring me up when I was young"



Chapter 31 , Verse 14 : "And We (God) have Enjoined on man (to be duitiful and good) to his parents. His mother bore him in weakness and hardship upon weakness and hardship, and his weaning is in two years -- give thanks to Me and to your parents. Unto Me is the final destination."
Verse 15: "But if they (both) strive with you to make you join in worship with me others that of which you have no knowledge, then obey them not; but behave with them in the world kindly, and follow the path of him who turns to Me in repentance and in obedience. Then to Me will be your return and I shall tell you what you used to do."

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Ladies and Gentlemen , it's not a board to discuss religions , the man asked a question and I only wanted to tell him the real teachings at this point


It's not the place to discuss religions , or start accusing each other cause we are all Humans we are all the same. even with different cultures or languages we are still the same.

Most of people on earth believe that there is only one Creator to this whole universe, Jews , Christians and Muslims ,,,, although there are differences in their believes , but only God who will tell us who is right at the judgement day

get to know each other better ...
don't generalize or listen to stereotyping media ,,,
read about what you see is strange , make some effort and you will know better when you read from many resources


I want to say it again, If a Jew or a Christian or a Muslim did something wrong , it comes from him and then he refers to the religion to prove that he is right

No religion will ever tell people to be bad , , , bad is bad every where ,,, cause logic is logic

Extremists exist everywhere and all the time.
and there is two kinds of them. one using the religion or the ideas to make money over the dead bodies of people at both sides

the other is mis-leaded person who gave up his mind. and stopped thinking with logic and seeking more information to be able to take the right decision.

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finally , IMDB board is not a place to exchange accusations , it's a place to share ideas and get to know the other people's real culture from the people themselves.


peace be upon all of you :)

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It's nice to see some people from different backgrounds here, although the timing of the Christians in Egypt reference is rather unfortunate. To defend the last guy somewhat, his references were mostly to practices from Afghanistan. That country (particularly while under Taliban rule) is particularly filled with that kind of fanaticism.

FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC

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Egypt is having hard time nowadays, 2 spying cells were arrested in the last month. bomb explosion in front of a Chruch and mosque (the Christians was the targeted people :S ) Shark attacks for the first time ever at Sharm El Shiekh.


it's like everything bad is happening back to back.


what Happened to the Christians, hurt everyone not just christians. My neighbors are a mix of Muslims and Christians. we gather every 3 days to play Soccer Video games , we win and lose and laugh like as if we were high.

sure there will be some ignorants . who are ignorant with the teachings of the two religions.

and they will try to cut the one into pieces, but God's willing they won't be able to do so.


the Christians are complaining about the Government more than their neighbors here.

and Muslims are also complaining about the government


it seems that our government has pissed off both lol

and it might fall like what happened in Tunisia




Fanatics exist at every place driven by wrong teachings and bad minds . here and there....


the only thing makes a different here is , when some one commits a crime , his religion is not mentioned , and when a muslim ( who is doing things completely against his religion teachings ) do a crime , his religion is mentioned on top of the news...

it's a media issue

and who controls the media ?

the answer is known for everyone


we blame persons for their actions, not their religions , Religions are sent to us from the creator of the universe, he is not going to tell us to do something wrong..

when some one ( fanatic ) do something against the religions , we can't just accuse the religions . we accuse his sick mind .

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Oh, I wasn't dissing Egypt. I like Egypt, except for the heat. Although the government is a bit crap. I was in Jordan just a couple weeks ago and everybody there was very friendly even though I only know about 5 words of Arabic. I've actually got a friend who should arrive at University there any minute now, so I hope they don't go all Tunisia on us. Hadn't heard about the shark attacks.

FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC

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your friend will be fine :) , the Demonstrations in Jordan is against the Government not the King.

it was 3 or 4 shark attacks a month and half ago. one tourist died and 3 injuries far as I remember, but it's like ... settled down now :)

stay safe my friend :)

Peace be upon you = Al Salam Alikom

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No no. He was in Egypt. But he was evacuated so he's ok now. Hopping mad though. But thank you. :-)

FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC

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They are not really generalizing...what they spoke of is an honour killing and while you are right that it does not occur in the US often, it is extremely common in numerous countries and countries like Germany with large guest worker populations from Turkey for instance.
Those are "normal" devout muslims from Turkey...as for your other quips with the othe rposter's statements well all I can say is that perhaps they should have inserted the word radical or fundamentalist before muslim more often, but you sound like you are defending too much. Yes, we know there are plenty of real muslims who do not follow the perverted version of islam as dictated by insane Imams etc., but you seem to be ignoring just how common those types of muslims are.
ANY religion taken too seriously and gets distorted from its good basis is bad. The fact remains though that BAD muslims are the ones that disproportionately mutilate, wrongfully accuse and take away the rights of women around the world today. Over 90% of women in Egypt are genitally mutilated as well, are you telling me all the Christians there do that? At least Christians let women read even when they are fanatical, but they are another story.

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Sorry for the threadjack, but dogs are considered unclean in the Muslim world. The vast majority of dogs do not fare well in the Middle East. So, you'll have to replace them with camels in your hierarchy.

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I don't know whether you are mocking the silly hierarchy that drunk dad mentioned or you are agreeing with him.


I don't like sidetracking too.

any way dogs are considered not clean so they are not let in the house unless there is a need for this.

first of all I love dogs so much and I wish I can have one, just my country is a bit hot for the breed I like "Husky".

the dog's mouse is not sterile or as people say "Dog's mouth is cleaner than Human's mouth"

you can read this
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/dogs/a/dog_breath.htm


I don't like copy paste to prove something ... dogs are very sensitive creatures and super loyal they are the symbol of loyalty.

it's only we don't let them inside the house as much as possible.

no one said they are bad or can't be raised. they are very not clean, yes . but they are important and helpful just like the other creatures.

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I think the hierarchy's point was that they have more rights or are treated better than women there.

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I'm an Afghan woman, and even though my family moved to the US shortly after my birth, I hope I can still give some insight about the men in my family. My father is a kind man and he loves me, my sister, mother, and grandmother very much. He doesn't treat us differently than he treats my brother, in fact he always urged us to pursue a higher education and have good careers. So, because of this, both my mother and I go to college, and it's not just the aspect of education, he also doesn't force us to wear a head scarf nor is he planning an arranged marriage for us. Furthermore, my uncles and male cousins are very much the same as he is for the most part.

My point is that not all Afghan men are misogynistic barbarians. Yes, unfortunately there are many who are barbaric, but it would be a generalization to paint them with the same brush as the good ones, so to speak.

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I can attest that I have spent 1 1/2 years of my life in Afghanistan and some of the most wonderful people I ever met live there. Most of them I know of are no different from anybody else, just trying to make a living and take care of a family.

BUT, the work ethic of most of the younger ones is terrible. They haven't known more than Americans giving them everything and beg tooth and nail.

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Explain:


THE KORAN INSTRUCTS MUSLIMS TO FIGHT CHRISTIANS, JEWS AND CONQUER THE WORLD FOR ISLAM:

(The following are only a few of the verses commanding Muslims to fight)

WARFARE IS ORDAINED FOR YOU, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. (2.216)

"AND FIGHT THEM UNTIL THERE IS NO PERSECUTION , AND RELIGION SHALL BE ONLY FOR ALLAH 2:193

If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom. 9:39

Believers must fight for Allah. They must kill and be killed , and are bound to do so by the Torah, Gospel, and Quran. But Allah will reward them for it. 9:111

Fight those among the People of the Book [i.e. Jews and Christians] ... who do not profess the true religion, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued. (9.29)

ISLAM IS THE MOST RACIST, BIGOTED RELIGION, AND THE KORAN IS FILLED WITH HATE FOR ALL OTHER THAN MUSLIMS:

(It is taught in textbooks in some Muslims countries today that Christians are monkeys and Jews are pigs)

Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72

Whoever says Muhammad was black must be killed…(Ash-Shifa, Tr. Aisha Abdarrahman, 2004)

Disbelievers’ faces will be black on the judgment day and they will receive God's penalty...3:106 White faces on the judgment day will receive God's mercy...3:107

Allah will reward the doers of good with paradise and much more, their faces will be radiant-stained; they will never be humiliated. The unbelievers’ faces will be turned dark…10:26-27

Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun said, "Anyone who says that the Prophet was black should be killed. (ibid, p.375)

In one Hadith, Mohammed referred to Blacks as Raisn Heads (Sahih Al Bukhary vol. 1, no. 662 and vol. 9, no. 256), and as pug nosed slaves in Sahih Moslem vol. 9 pages 46 and 47.

Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 5:73

Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis.9:34

Jesus was not the Son of God. Those who say he was (Christians) are going to hell. 19:35-37

Scourge adulteresses with 100 stripes. Do not show them any pity. Have a party of believers watch the punishment. 24:2

EVIL-CRUELTY IN THE KORAN

Those who die fighting for Allah will go to heaven. 3:195 Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33 The transgressors will roast in the Fire and be forced to drink boiling liquids followed by ice cold drinks. 38:55-9

THE KORAN PROMISES COUNTRIES TO CONQUER AND THE SPOILS THERIN:

Sura 33 "And he bequeathed to you their lands, their homes and their possessions, together with land you have never trodden" (33.27) .

MUSLIMS ARE INSTRUCTED IN THE KORAN TO BE STILL UNTIL THEY HAVE THE NUMBERS IN THE COUNTRIES THEY HAVE INVADED:

"Be patient with unbelievers until you have strength" (86.17).

THE KORAN INSTRUCTS MUSLIMS TO BE DECEPTIVE: Quran 3:28 Don't have unbelieving friends unless it is to deceive them. Remember the final goal is to Allah.

SHARIA LAW MUST RULE THE WORLD

Allah’s law (Sharia) is binding to all…4:135

Allah accepts only Sharia and no other laws…7:29, 57:25

Allah is the Law-giver; He appointed Muhammad to implement the only correct laws (Sharia laws)…45:18

Quran 9:33 ISLAM WILL PREVAIL OVER ALL RELIGIONS

THE FOUNDER OF CAIR HAS TOLD US PLAINLY OF ISLAM'S OBJECTIVE IN AMERICA:

"ISLAM ISN'T IN AMERICA TO BE EQUAL TO ANY OTHER FAITH, BUT TO BECOME DOMINANT. The Koran ... should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth. Everthing we need to know is in the Koran. We don't need to look somewhere else."

OMAR M. AHMAD, CHAIRMAN OF CAIR, the mainsteam Muslim advocacy group.

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Every “moderate” Muslim is a potential terrorist. The belief in Islam is like a tank of gasoline. It looks innocuous, until it meets the fire. For a “moderate” Muslim to become a murderous jihadist, all it takes is a spark of faith.

Ali Sina







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"I wanna join Islamic Jihad. I just want to kill for God. Praising Allah is the life for me! I'll use pipe bombs, what the *beep*. Killing Hebrews brings good luck. Gotta make Khomeini proud of me! Load a car with dynamite and drive into a synagogue without any brakes! Nothing could be better than impaling your intestines on a big rusty stake. Hand grenades and cattle prods. Let's get out and kill for God. I can hear Mohammed calling me!"----"Kill for God" by The Rudy Schwartz Project

"One of the top Ten Commandments is Thou Shalt Not Kill. More people have been killed in the name of God than anything else. But the more devout a person is, the more murder becomes negotiable"--George Carlin

BTW, THE BIBLE CAME FIRST. AND JESUS MADE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR THAT HE WAS THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN AND THROUGH GOD!

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Cindi14, you do realize not every Afghan is religious, right? I'm an Afghan and I'm agnostic.

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