Ledger was better


than Blanchett.

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They were different. Blanchett embodied Dylan, Ledger created a different character. Both gave great performances.

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They all embodied Bob Dylan. Dylan never has been one set character.

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yea, I'd like to see you play a man, or if you are a man already, I'd like to see you act as well as she did. She did great for a woman playing a man. She was skinny and lanky and that is what was supposed to happen. the director liked her because he wanted somone to embody Bob Dylan during that time period, and she could do that!!!!!!

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To Fetuschrist; I think you should go back and watch the special fetures again to get it. Other than that i do agree with what you are saying!

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Yeah, she as so bad she got an Oscar nomination. Idiot.

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What was bad about it? I was very impressed about her performance.

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You guys are arguing something that is COMPLETELY OPINIONATED!!








Just like what you like. If so and so doesn't like it, who gives a sh!t, as long as you like it.

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I respectfully disagree with your assertion that Blanchett was terrible. On the contrary, I found her performance to be quite brilliant. You seem to be missing the point that not one of these characters were actually supposed to BE Dylan in a literal sense; they are merely personas of Dylan - representations of his psyche during different periods of his life. And to that end, I felt Blanchett hit the mark.

As for your comment that a woman can't effectively portray a man, see Linda Hunt in "The Year of Living Dangerously." (Best Supporting Actress, 1984)

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"Please,a woman playing a man,or a man playing a woman is just not believable,end of story."

And a woman playing a man turning into a woman (did I lose you yet?) could never give a credible performance either, I suppose?
*cough* Felicity Huffman in "Transamerica" - who was nominated for an Oscar and won a Golden Globe for her role *cough*
Geez...


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This time is now."

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But didn't they used to use young men to play women in Shakespeare's plays?

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That's true. I guess what I meant was Blanchett played a character who looks and sounds like people are used to Dylan looking and sounding.

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I agree that Ledger was better, I never believed Blanchett as a guy. But my favorite was the kid.

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yeah...the kids the best...then ledger...then blanchett...and then surprisingly enough richard gere played his part well

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The point of Blanchett's sequence is not for her to accurately represent a male. That's not the main focus. She is meant to portray a specific mentality, lifestyle, philosophy, etc. of a person who happens to be a man that is the subject of the film. To focus on how well/badly she plays a male character is to lose focus on what the film is actually trying to convey.

I think this kind of misunderstanding is a major reason why this film isn't more well-liked or respected. People forget (or don't know) that this film is not a conventional biopic that focuses on a man and his life, but rather a specific mindset, psyche, or whatever you want to call it that happens to be inspired by a well-known individual.

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Well said, Venkman. People seem to be missing the point.

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imo Bale's performance was the best :)

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you have got to be kidding me...do you even know who bob dylan is? I've never seen Bale seem so amateur...it came off as a cheap imitation

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I must agree with Neohacker. I felt Bale didn't put his whole into this role and could have done better. I also thought Blanchett's take on Dylan was outstanding! She WAS Dylan!! I also think that any female can play male or any male can play female. It all depends on how good the actors is. I thought Blanchett was really good when she was getting interviewed by that English man "You don't know me man!" . And he was good when she sang Mr.Jones. The other person I liked was Heath Ledger (R.I.P) he was very good as the family man and I really believed him as a character.

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"I've never seen Bale seem so amateur...it came off as a cheap imitation "

Did it occur to you that Bale was portraying the "fake" Dylan; "Bob Dylan, the Myth"? I understood EXACTLY what kind of Dylan Bale was portraying. You had to be a Dylan fan of the period to get it. Rock stars look like rock stars, or at least, people bigger than their hype. Bale was the "power" image of Dylan. A Dylan that look good, seemed enigmatic, a "pseudo-tortured" James Dean type. The post-folk, now rock star. Bale was portraying the Dylan that the fans (post-folk) thought they saw. He was using the known cliches at the time to mimic Dylan, NOT genuinely capture Dylan. I don't see how Bale could have changed his acting technique to be more like Dylan yet seem less real. Probably the directorial/actor mistake was not sticking in scenes with Bale deliberately distorting himself to the audience. Then you'd understand that Bale was portraying the Dylan that didn't exist, it was what Dylan looked like to us. (And paradoxically, that was partly what Bob Dylan was...)

You'd then think Blanchette was "trying" to accurately portray Dylan. No, she was trying to portray Dylan's psyche at the time, the actual tortured artist. The Dylan who had recently broke away from his folk following, but discovering he STILL couldn't get away from the typecasting *beep* The media was now trying to wedge him into the rock star or artist simulacrum. After all, how can you fake looking like the person you want to fake, when that person doesn't look at all like what the general audience thinks they're seeing? (It hasn't been done yet.) Its especially hard when "Mr. Jones" is too dense and cynical to buy any of it, or anything outside of his own narrow minded universe. Blanchette looked like Dylan, she delivered the lines like Dylan, but one should have felt how surreal Dylan's life was like at that period. The metaphor of his life at that time was Dylan trying to be recognized as his "true" self (in the movie, a woman), yet the rest of the audience was only seeing a portrayal of Bob Dylan, the man.

Ledger portrays the Dylan you don't see as a fan. Ledger is Dylan's "real life" psyche at that time, the artist, up to the post-breakup of his marriage (at which point Ledger/Dylan ceases to exist). What do you see? An actor with rockstar buzz, who never really meets his artistic goals, and his real friends know it. A guy who has to live disappointed with his failure to meet his unattainable expectations, and how it eventually erodes his marriage.

(The black kid was the Dylan before he found his voice. He was a white jew pretending to be a victimized black boy, railing against social injustice in the modus of his hero, Woody Guthrie. Don't ask me what the hell Gere was supposed to represent. Dylan, the broken man in hiding, post-marriage? Perhaps the short period when Dylan was running with The Band? Don't take that as a criticism of Gere either. You can only work with what the script gives you.)

Come to think of it, I was kind of unimpressed with the movie (too art film pretentious) until I had to write this exposition, originally only to defend Bale's performance. Wow, this was a movie with good performances. Too bad the film's critical flaw was that it was impossible to appreciate without knowing Dylan's life beforehand, in thorough detail.

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I wish people weren't so obsessed with who's better than who talk.

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I'm better than you

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Cate owned the movie, enough said. She didnt ACT, she WAS Jude Quinn. Its a scandal she didnt won that darn Oscar.

After her i think the kid was best and then Richard Gere. All the other ones were more or less ok.

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Actually i thougt that Ben Whishaw was the best....

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I disagree. However, after Blanchett, Ledger was my favorite.

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but he's dead. (Too soon?)

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Heath Ledger himself said he didn't really think his performance was that great. Cate Blanchett on the other hand had the hardest job out of all the actors in this film.
She had to change her gender first of all, that alone should give you an idea of her task at hand. She then had to personify the eccentric side of Dylan. Again, not easy considering he was a drugged out drunk during that time period. And to top it all off, she was the only one (Other than Wishaw) who managed to get Bob Dylan's voice down to a T.
Ledger played a lovesick Hollywood type. An actor who let his fame go to his head. I fairly simple role to portray. The hardest thing he needed to do was an American accent.
Blanchett also won multiple awards for her role, in fact nearly every award this film was nominated for was in Cate Blanchett's name.
What I'm trying to do here is figure out your logic in saying that Ledger was better, considering that is virtually all you said. You didn't back up your point at all, that's why you're getting slammed to death on this bored.
Now, I assume you're just another one of Ledger's fan boys that cried for 3 weeks after he died, and now you think that just because he's dead, that he was the greatest actor to ever walk onto a movie set.
Am I getting warm?
Stick to the Dark Knight forums, pal.

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No I agree with you. She did over act a bit in the film, but I think that was the whole idea of her portion of the film. That whole segment was very over the top. That's what made it so interesting.
But at the same time, they would get very serious for her portions every once in a while. It was a very well done dynamic.

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you spelled "bored" wrong. lol.

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Now, I assume you're just another one of Ledger's fan boys that cried for 3 weeks after he died, and now you think that just because he's dead, that he was the greatest actor to ever walk onto a movie set.


I was gonna say the same thing. I was not impressed with ledger in this or most of the movies that he was in. I still don't understand why he won an oscar for his performance in Dark Knight and I don't think he should have even been nominated.

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Heath was basically playing himself in the film. God bless him, that took courage. Any well-trained actress could have played Cate Blanchett's role.

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