There was an actual gay bashing and hate crime in this movie. I hated it. How come no one has said anything about this?
shareWell ... I hated the (overt) gay bashing and hate crime stuff too, but only because it was horrible. It was part of the plot; didn't ruin the movie for me.
shareNobody has probably said anything because most people actually watched the entire movie and understood the actual context of the scene in all of its cruelty and ugliness.
It was certainly a hate crime but I'm not sure I'd call it a gay bashing - it was more about about classism. Either way it was ugly as intended.
Hate Crime? Just saw this movie and I am usually very aware of unfairness to gay men in motion pictures. Most gays are treated unfairly in films.
Somehow I did not see the "beat up" scene as a quite a hate crime. It was just a low down inhumane ruff up scene that was was done for other reasons...
Very Interesting that you see it as a hate crime. I guess in a way it could be taken as a hate crime.... I have to think this over again.
If you can expand on your thoughts and reasoning that make up the hate crime please do.
i don't think you should take this as a gay bashing, hate crime issue. you have to look at the movie through a historical context. although sodomy was widely spread as it is today, it was also considered way more immoral and sinful than today's standard's. with historical movies you have to take into account the historical references they are sending as well. this sort of thing would have been commonplace not only because of the homosexuality, but as someone mentioned above, because of the class systems. if you notice, in the movie, the two young lady's make a point of saying it was because mr. kynaston dared humiliate "his betters". in this scene, although, mr. kynaston does express homosexual tendencies, the attack might just be construed as a warning of overstepping class boundaries.
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I though the bashing was because he had said that he wouldn't let a woman on the stage play his parts (or something to that affect), so long as he was still there to play them?
When the ladies said "his betters", I thought they were refering to 'women' and also their own class.
And also, I didn't think anyone knew he was gay. Just because he played women on stage... The scence where he goes to his partner (name escapes me) in the steam room, he says "no one must find out about us" and that was after the bashing... I guessed that meant no one knew, but I could be wrong...
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Even if the beating was anti-homosexual, what's the problem? It's clearly portrayed as a horrific event. I don't understand why so many people seem to think that just because a film depicts something, it's promoting it. Often the opposite is true. How are you going to stop an injustice or problem if you don't show people how horrible it is?
It's like saying Requiem For A Dream is pro-drugs, or American History X is pro-Nazi. Sure, it's upsetting---it's supposed to be. But I think you've got this completely backwards.
It wasn't gay bashing. As a matter of fact they were very sensitive to Kynaston's feelings and portrayed him as human, and a very sympathetic one at that. If they were gay bashing they would have demonized any and all characters that had any homosexual moments.
Also... Kynaston was portrayed as bisexual for one thing and for another he wasn't attacked for being gay. He was attacked because he suggested two "ladies" of the upper class were whores (in return for them treating him as one).
Just because someone is gay or bi doesn't automatically make any and all crimes against them a hate crime, there was no bashing of gays aside from portraying the simple fact that it was not acceptable and that having a public homosexual relationship was simply not done, for safety or protection of social status.
The film does not support any of those things, and that should be obvious, if you watched the movie anyways. The film was not gay bashing, it was not portraying a hate crime (though easily could have considering the reaction the public would have had to a public homosexual relationship if that had happened), and you're jumping to conclusions either because you're sensitive, over sensitive, or simply want to point at something and claim it's the result of bigotry.
my god.............did any of you actually WATCH the movie?...........or did you maybe miss the scene where fat freddie vows revenge................hate crime??,......oh yes, he hated ned!
shareHating someone doesn't make something a hate crime, hating them for what they are does. You can kill someone because they wronged you. That's murder. But if you kill that person because they're gay, or black, or female, it's a hate crime.
In any case, I must say that the person who began this thread didn't understand the big picture. They beat him because he was acting above his station, he'd insulted them, and perhaps because he appeared to be homosexual. They were the villains. Villains in films do things like that. If they didn't, movies would be boring.
Perfectly put, whiteroseutena.
shareI don't think you're taking in the entire situation, here. Kynaston wasn't between because he was gay, but because he had, in their eyes, "got above himself". Those awful women mention that he had mocked them, his "betters" as they put it. Sir Charles had him beaten for pretty much the same reason - not only did Ned turn him down, he made fun of him. If you recall, in the scene where they meet, he actually considers the possibility of taking Ned on as a "mistress", so there couldn't have been any homophobia at work there. Objectively speaking, Ned didn't treat people very well. I don't think that the beating qualifies as either gay bashing or hate crime.
shareGay bashing?!? And here I thought he got beaten up because he was a misogynous a$$hole!
shareumm..right..they didn't know he was gay..they beat him up because the rich ass pompus douche bag felt him up and Ned wouldn't become his..mistress..or mantress and Ned called him out for it at the kings' party. And the "gentleladies" were there because he didn't come to their defence when the rich ass pompus douche bag was asking for a price and Ned said that they were worth a penny and a shilling..nothing about gay bashing..where did you get that from?
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