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Why do people hate this movie?


I've seen so many comments that say this movie was a piece of sh*t, it was boring, they ruined Lecter's character etc. Even that there wasn't enough actual cannibalism. Can someone please tell me why this movie gets such negative remarks? If you thought it was a bad movie what did they leave out or include that you didn't like?

And I don't understand it when people say that HR killed the mystery surrounding why Hannibal became a cannibal. If they didn't want to know they didn't have to watch it.

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They spoon fed the story of Hannibal Lecter. The film starts out as a war movie, then he turn into a the karate kid with the sword play (which was coming too close to anime). Then he turns into a doctor, then a man bent on revenge for his baby sis.

And the acting altogether, and uber cool well dressed strike-a-pose killer. Sorry, Hannibal as a kid doesn't fit Hannibal the distinguished gentleman a la Lambs.

When he put on that mask over his mouth, that just ruined it. Too cheesy.

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Cheesy describes it well.


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Well, many people didn't think of what the time period would be for the film apparently. This shows what all happened to Hannibal Lecter at age 8 (11 in the novel) and how it lead up to him becoming a psychopath. Hannibal wasn't totally insane like he is by the time he is arrested by Will Graham. Hannibal had not gotten his taste for blood in this film, he was only killing for revenge.

Also, they expected Gaspard Ulliel to be Dr. Lecter. They probably thought he would be acting like Anthony Hopkins and were probably sad that they didn't get their big Hollywood star actors in the film, lol. This is about a young Dr. Hannibal Lecter, not the older cannibal we are used to.

I say screw the critics.

"That's the same atrocious aftershave you wore in court."- Hannibal Lecter, Red Dragon

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I feel cheated when I watch this movie. While some will say it is not important, here are a few things which irritate me.

1. Caspard Ulliel has brown eyes. Anthony Hopkins has beautiful blue eyes, This could have been solved by contacts.

2. Ulliel has a lean body build. Hopkins has a more compact, heavy boned body.

3. Ulliel as Hannibal goes to France and therefore speaks perfect French.
Hopkins as Hannibal in #3 movie, lives in Italy and speaks perfect Italian.

I know the writer was satisfield with Ulliel, but I was certainly disappointed.

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Loads of people are saying about Gaspard Ulliel not being a good Hannibal Lecter, and alright, how can he compare to Anthony Hopkins' legendary film character? But, having said that, how can ANYONE compare to his acting? His acting and the character fit together perfectly. The closest I've seen to such a perfect piece of acting is Heath Ledger in TDK, but that's not for here. (;D) I personally LOVE Gaspard Ulliel, he could eat me (and more, hehe) any day of the week- but when I think of Doctor Hannibal Lecter, Anthony Hopkins is the one I think of (followed by Brian Cox, if anyone's interested.)

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maybe it's your black & white TV that is cheating you - Gaspard (with a G) Ulliel has beautiful blues eyes just like Anthony Hopkins.

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"The film starts out as a war movie" Because that's what was happening in Lecter's life at that time. He was a child in World War 2 so I'm not sure what your problem is there.

"then he turn into a the karate kid with the sword play (which was coming too close to anime)" That seems slightly stereotypical to me and on the verge of unintentional racism. His aunt is Asian with Samurai heritage and was just helping to make him strong. And you say it was sword play and came close to anime. What did you expect?

"Then he turns into a doctor" He was actually just a medical student and he chose that path because of his macabre interest in the human body, dissection and autopsy.

"then a man bent on revenge for his baby sis" Lecter had always wanted revenge for Mischa even as a young boy. Being a medical student allowed him to gain the knowledge to do so.

"Hannibal as a kid doesn't fit Hannibal the distinguished gentleman" Are you saying people don't change as they age? He wasn't born a distinguished gentleman. I thought they matched quite well. Young Lecter has that similar smug intelligent attitude about him.

When I hear people criticize HR I can't help but think they were watching a different film, or just had their heart set on something else.

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Well because it's a prequel is a reason why it get's criticism and Thomas Harris had to do something really impressive to convey how Hannibal became what he is in the other films some people may just have their expectations too high on what he would've done or they disagreed with it. Also I think it's because the tone of the film is different from the other Hannibal films and is highly different alltogether but I think the main criticism is aimed at Gaspard as Hannibal (Who imo made a great Lecter) because he isn't Anthony Hopkins and doesn't have the exact same attitude etc. but as SombreAngel said:

Are you saying people don't change as they age? He wasn't born a distinguished gentleman. I thought they matched quite well. Young Lecter has that similar smug intelligent attitude about him.
Which is a very good point and is what I always though and because of that Young Hannibal doesn't bother me at all there's still years until he became in Red Dragon/Silence/Hannibal

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there's still years until he became in Red Dragon/Silence/Hannibal


So why didn't they make THAT movie? Why didn't Harris write THAT book?

The whole point of making a prequel is to answer this type of question. If you make a prequel that reveals more contradictions and forces people to go "OMG ITZ HAPPENIN AFTAR DIS 1 AN BEFOR DA NEX 1 LOL" you have FAILED.

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Thomas Harris will write THAT book. He said in a interview when HR was published that he wanted to write one more book on Lecter to finish his development as a character - I don't remember where I read it, but I did. And they will make THAT movie, just as soon as the novel gets published, I'm certain. Hannibal Lecter is a money making machine, and the temptation will be to great for the producers of the franchise to resist. I just hope they make a better film, next time. HR is a very weak film - the novel is very good, even if its not Harris best, but he shouldn't have writen the screenplay; and I won't even mention the directors work... The only good thing about it was Ulliel's performance as Lecter. We all were expecting more, we all deserved more.
Anyway we're in for a long wait: it takes Harris from 7 to 10 years to write a novel - Hannibal Rising was published in 2006, Hannibal was published in 1999, and The Silence of the Lambs came out in 1988. And its not even certain that his next novel will feature Lecter. We can only hope... and wait.

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Wow, I can't believe I missed this little gem of a post.

Thomas Harris will write THAT book.


No he won't.

He said in a interview when HR was published


No he didn't.

that he wanted to write one more book on Lecter to finish his development as a character


No he doesn't

- I don't remember where I read it, but I did.


No you didn't.

Because Thomas Harris has done like 2 interviews ever and none even remotely close to the "Hannibal Rising" era.

And they will make THAT movie,


No they won't.

just as soon as the novel gets published,


Which is never.

I'm certain.


You're nobody.

Hannibal Lecter is a money making machine,


Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter is. Li'l Hannibal isn't.

and the temptation will be to great for the producers of the franchise to resist.


Yeah, I'm sure they're really tempted to make a big bomb of a movie like "Hannibal Rising" again.

I just hope they make a better film, next time.


I just hope they stop making bad ones, and I have a feeling my wish is the one that's going to be granted.

HR is a very weak film - the novel is very good,


HR is a very good adaptation of an awful book. There's nothing technically wrong with it, everyone did their best with terrible source material. When people criticize it they don't criticize anything BUT Harris's writing. Furthermore, the book was universally panned by fans and critics alike.

even if its not Harris best, but he shouldn't have writen the screenplay;


Well, he did. He wrote both and they were both terrible.

and I won't even mention the directors work...


I will. Peter Webber is a solid director and I actually feel bad for the guy. This movie ruined a promising career.

The only good thing about it was Ulliel's performance as Lecter.


What's good about it? Again, he did as good as anyone could have with the material but c'mon.

We all were expecting more,


I didn't.

we all deserved more.


No we don't. The vast majority of the Lecter audience took the Lecter character (who was irredeemably-evil in the first two books) and started treating him like some one-liner-spewing antihero so when Harris went to write the character again post-Hopkins that's what he gave them. "Hannibal" and "Hannibal Rising" are proof that you shouldn't give people what they want because people have terrible taste.

Anyway we're in for a long wait: it takes Harris from 7 to 10 years to write a novel - Hannibal Rising was published in 2006, Hannibal was published in 1999, and The Silence of the Lambs came out in 1988.


I think we'll manage. The icy reception "Hannibal Rising" experience pretty much proved that Harris committed career suicide with "Hannibal". That book was a literary phenomenon because it was a must-read... then everyone who HAD to read it read it and hated it.

And its not even certain that his next novel will feature Lecter. We can only hope... and wait.


Yet you talk about how he was on The View and Dr. Phil chatting up his new Lecter novel yet you fail to crunch the numbers and notice that there's no way in hell Mr. Thomas "it took me 31 years to write 5 books" Harris is going to have two books left in him when he turns 70 here in about 3 months.

Chances are the next time you see his name in print it will be at the start of an obituary. I'm certainly not wishing death on him or anything but it's a matter of simple math. The life expectancy of a guy his age is absolutely incompatible with time it takes for him to write a novel.

But hey, when he does die I'm sure some Young Adult imprint will start a "Li'l Hannibal" series and with Harris out of the picture they'll be able to release one every month like "Goosebumps".

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Thomas Harris did write "Hannibal Rising". It was a book before it became the movie. He also co-wrote the screenplay, which followed the book very closely.

The depth of the character in the book was studied more, but that is almost always the case with books vs. movies. Seeing how Hannibal, the boy, became the psychopath was interesting and almost understandable. Seeking revenge was only part of it. I think finding out that he, too, ate his sister was what turned him completely. Almost makes you feel sorry for him, just like you almost feel sorry for Dolarhyde, if you've read the book "The Red Dragon".

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Because regardless of what YOU think, Thomas Harris has a right to write whatever the hell he wants.

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The movie is so bad I couldn't even watch it trough the end.
I think other 3 movies (without manhunter) are great, and books are even better.
But this not scary, not psihological piece of *beep* is one of the worst prequels ever.
It completely destroys the caracter of Hannibal Lecter. he is supposed to be highly intelligent gentleman with unexplained psihological disturbances, wich lead him to become un emotionall serial killer with great will power. In this movie he is showed as whiny boy with absoultely no power.
I hate this film.

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manhunter is by far the best film out of any of them.

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Spare me the PC about unintentional racism, that samurai stuff was pure BS, designed to rope in all the kung fu Kill Bill fan types. It was so unreal too: Japanese women did not learn that stuff and chances are a diplomat would not either. It was just out of place and was pretty corny.

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It was so unreal too: Japanese women did not learn that stuff and chances are a diplomat would not either. It was just out of place and was pretty corny.


What makes you say that, Jakealope?

What authority or education led you to typing out those specific words on to your computer and posting it for everyone to see?

Seriously, why did you enter the conversation with that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onna_bugeisha

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Sorry I had an opinion that you didn't approve of, but you are one arrogant pathetic geek if my mundane speculation riled you so much. Also, this is a work of fiction, it is not history or documentary. Are you some scholar on the subject of Japanese diplomats and their wives of that period or similar studies that gives you an edge over my ken?

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Haha no I used Google.

But you haven't yet answered my questions.

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You are absolutely right. People just like to complain about stuff these days. Pay no attention. I thought it was really good. Watch what you want to watch and like what you want to like. It's like a trend these days for people to try to seem cool by saying they hate things and generally acting like douchebags.

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100% agreed. I thought I was on the wrong board =\ IMO Gaspard's performance was really good, but ppl complain about his BONE STRUCTURE, I mean, c'mon! I guess they expected the producers to create a time machine so they could retrieve a younger Anthony Hopkins to portray "younger Hannibal" in the present *sighs*

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I think most people are some kind of undereducated to understand the simplest nexus. They couldn't imagine other peoples' character changing because they do not even know their own feelings. Western people are becoming stupid island since SU has been off because there is no program to educate everyone anymore. The sputnik crysis is overridden. Now there is no need to build a paradise on (US and europe) earth any more and people's brains are blown off by capitalism. The Bush cartel did it's rest and now we are here:

Many half way autistic people who do not have the ability to differentiate between a Burger and a lobster who want to rate a movie about a complex character changing. They are bubbling about genetics and do not understand anything qualitative.

So what can one do to give them all the empathy they could be able to feel and think?

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Perfect reply Brandy-Snap; I agree whole-heartedly with your message, xxx

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Are you saying people don't change as they age? He wasn't born a distinguished gentleman.


I was born a 40 year old distinguished gentleman in a five thousand dollar Armani suit and haven't aged a day in the last 73 years.

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I liked the mask part. . . a nice way to pay homage to the previous movies, I got excited when I saw it.

As an avid Hannibal fan, I agree that it did not meet expectations . . . but really, how can you continually top what has come before .. . I'm just happy that more Hannibal is out there for the devout fans and hopefully more is on the way.

I enjoyed this movie, but you have to take it for what it is. Hannibal is young, not as educated, not as blood thirsty, not as psychotic. . . and he hasn't been spending years in prison, with nothing but his mind to keep him entertained.

It is easy to criticize the subtle flaws with the storyline (and I do have mine), but in the end, I'm just grateful that Thomas Harris has given us more. My biggest complaint about the movie are the accents . . . many just sound like bad, generic, European accents. I think this movie could have really benefited by using original languages and subtitling . . . I only speak English (unfortunately), but I much prefer subtitles over bad accents . . .

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by mentioning the japanese you seem almost as retarded as Thomas Harris in his presentation of the japanese culture. the actor couldn't even hold a samurai sword correctly, and i'm not sure how many other errors he made in his writing that made the japanese audience i watched the film with feel aghast, but i must apologize for having no desire to find out as i stopped watching about 5 minutes after the horrible presentation of japanese culture came on. please refrain from association to anything that has anything to do with japanese culture. that version only exists in hollywood, and you seem just as sophisticated as Thomas Harris regarding anything non-western. keep the errors inside the film, please.

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Ha! If a Japanese audience were outraged by anything in HR it was most likely the use of a Chinese actress in the auntie role. I agree with whoever above that the samurai business seemed crassly intended to drag in another audience segment. Is there any Japanese swordplay in the other HL movies?

The real guilty question is: why do we like this stuff so much? Why are we so eager
to spend our time and money watching and then debating these overcooked fantasies of blood-drenched revenge? The taste for cruelty flows deep, and when things fall apart, it can flood over everything. That (though surely unintended by Thomas Harris) is the cautionary message of 'Hannibal Rising.'

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Ha! If a Japanese audience were outraged by anything in HR it was most likely the use of a Chinese actress in the auntie role. I agree with whoever above that the samurai business seemed crassly intended to drag in another audience segment. Is there any Japanese swordplay in the other HL movies?

The real guilty question is: why do we like this stuff so much? Why are we so eager
to spend our time and money watching and then debating these overcooked fantasies of blood-drenched revenge? The taste for cruelty flows deep, and when things fall apart, it can flood over everything. That (though surely unintended by Thomas Harris) is the cautionary message of 'Hannibal Rising.'

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I liked this movie. It could have been better but that was more the writers fault.

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Exactly. the director did ok, the story wasn't good enough from is bases.

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Because it was very stuupiiid at times. There was no point showing past of Lecter. This was just another unnecessary prequel/followup to the series. For once, Razzies got it right.

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I think there was a point. I wanted to see his past and how he came to be. Hence why I watched the movie.

As I said earlier if people didn't want to know they didn't have to watch it.

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I thought this movie was okay, the novel was okay too. I have to say that Red Dragon was the best of the books and that Manhunter was the best of the films. Will Graham is a much more interesting character than Clarice Starling in my opinion. Lecter is just simply the greatest antagonist to ever grace a book or movie.

"That's the same atrocious aftershave you wore in court."- Hannibal Lecter, Red Dragon

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I agree, Red Dragon is the best novel in the series and Manhunter is the best film adaptation of the Lecter novels. Michael Mann is brilliant director and Tom Noonan's Dolarhyde (Tooth Fairy) is much more chilling and scary than Finnes's.
I don't think we can compare Will Graham with Clarice Starling, though: they're diferent characters with diferent backgrounds, and also they meet Lecter under very diferent circunstances. So I'd say that they're both interesting in their own way.

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This movie has all the small elements which connect it properly to the rest of the movies made on Lecter.
As it's been stated before, the only flaw in the movie is that they didn't have a rejuvenated Hopkins at hand to play the part. Still... look at this guy. He's definitely got the predator's eye. He's smug, has a perfect elocution, is very well mannered with a deep sense of irony and a serious frown at impoliteness. The "japanese episode" does not turn him into an anime character at all. Hannibal Lecter has always been depicted as a very pragmatic killer, who chooses effective killing tools. He has, as an older adult, a fondness for blades and arrows (knifes, stilleto, linoleum cutter, bow, crossbow, all mentionned in the books). Ths doesn't drift too far away from the kind of weaponry available to samurai's...
The Mischa element has been well developped in "Hannibal" (the book). All those who made the effort of reading it know that this event was what made Hannibal the monster we all know.
Hannibal Rising is not a movie made by someone who didn't watch the other movies; it's made by someone who did read the damn books!
Most serial killers do not come to the world as such. The usually turn into what the are because of a deep trauma and personally, living not too far from the location of a martyr village, I must salute the directors for the way they depicted war crimes without falling into the easy trap of voyeurism. We know and see enough to understand right away what happened to Mischa, yet it's not pushed too far for the eye. THAT would have been an unnecessary disgrace.

To all those who complain that "this Hannibal doesn't look like the real Hannibal" or something: even Hopkins does not look like what Hannibal is supposed to be. Hopkins was scary enough to make you s**t bricks, but hey...
In the Red Dragon book, Lecter is depicted as a short, slim man whose eyes catch the light like red gems would. To top it, Lecter has a very special medical condition, polydactylism, which is dicarded in the movies. Yet, it was part of his escape strategy in the Silence of the Lambs book, as well as what got him tracked down to South America and later, suspected by Pazzi in Hannibal.

A tip to all Hopkins worshippers: quit bowing to Sir Anthony Hopkins as the one and only decent Lecter. He did a great job but nobody is irreplaceable.

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"a horror movie that featured nazi atrocities and kung fu ninja warrior aunties complete with samurai swords. And it wasn't even a thinking horror movie. It was a buckets 'o' blood spattered walls spectacular." Nazis! Because he was a child during the war! Not his fault! As for the kung fu ninja warrior auntie that's because she is Asian and her ancestors were Samurai. Please forgive her for being born an Asian with heritage.

And the buckets of blood? How many horror movies have you seen if you think this film was a blood spattered walls spectacular?

Oh btw "Byurgen Fyurgen". You came to the Hannibal Rising page to leave a message. Was it that much effort to look 20cms up the page to find out what his name was? And obviously he isn't a substitute for those people because:
1. Anthony Hopkins does not own a time machine and therefore cannot de-age himself in order to make the perfect prequel.
2. Jodie Foster is a woman.
And 3. Ted Levine who is also old played a completely different character to Lecter. Just throwing that out there.

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yeling..the next best thing to being right...

personally i think Gaspard Ulliel made the movie even better, throwing out the fact that hes like *beep* amazing beautiful, he made hannbal seem like a creepy kid, I dont think the fact that his aunt played with swords bothered the movie too much, its just kind of a wierd habit.

it sounds like some people just cant stand it when lesser accomplished actors get a chance at something...it always has to be the same celebs, like we dont see them everyday goofing around with good books on the big screen, and everyone is a critic..of course w/o adding any input worth value...its always this sucks because i hate this person. game over. and never is there any constructive critisism.

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omg, how long ? You read into it too much . Don't care about what other people think, and enjoy films in your own way :P

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Personally I liked this movie. The problem is, that I'm not a HUGE fan of sotl, red dragon, or hannibal... I like them, but I don't put them on a pedastal any more than any other solid serial killer/horror films.

It doesnt' bother me that Hannibal looks nothing like anthony hopkins, any more than julian moore not looking like jodie foster.

The only part that struck me as poor writing in this film was when the detective says to the asian lady 'is it because you lost your family in the hiroshima bombing?' That was cliche. He could have easily said 'is it because you lost your family as well?' without saying how they died. This would have left more up to the viewers own fearful imagination, and wouldn't have made me think that the writer knows nothing of japanese history except the hiroshima bombing. Seriously, that's probably why he wrote it in there, he probably couldn't think of any other way for a japanese family to have been killed at this time. It was cliche.

Otherwise, Hannibal was a little superhero like, but I can forgive that, as I like superheros. Also, it isn't very different than the other films where Hannibal is capable of tremendous strategy, trickery, and foresight.

I actually felt this was a less gruesome film than the other three. Personally I liked that. I like horror movies, but I did not like the brain eating, face eating, and pig feeding that took place in Hannibal.

If you LOVED the other three movies, I could see how you felt this movie did them a disservice.

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I thought this movie was so bad that it was funny. Some of it was just off the mark. Alot of the acting was bad and some of the story was just cheesy. SPOILERS*** I mean the stuff with the samurai sword and polishing the armor was hokey.

War horrors lead a man to chonic nightmares and ultimatley he becomes a psychopathic cannibal. OK. But whats with the oriental mysticism? Not necessary, just cheesy. Some of the dialogue was silly too.Example: "Remarkable, he feels nothing. Monsterous" the way it was delivered in the scene that it was said in was laughable. Or "cheeks and mushrooms". None of it was believable or remotley frightening.

The story had gaps in it too. Alot of the carachters made conclusions that werent realistic. Such as when Hannibal returns to the cottage and at the exact same time one of the Nazis who ate his sister shows up there as well.

The look on the nazis face when he eats the bird then looks at hannibals sister is silly. The characters were cartoonish. I didnt even finnish watching it.

The fact that I am saying it, quite obviously, makes it my opinion.

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I thought it ok. Not bad per say, but I can still see why others hate it.

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Seeing last week, I actually found it surprisingly likable.

7/10

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Well I read the book and I liked it. It explained a lot. It didn't of course explain why he kept at it though.
Once he got his revenge for his sister & family, why did he keep on killing?

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I just saw it yesterday and found HR to be quite watchable, even though its still the worst Lecter film after Hannibal. Not that bad, but defintevly not a masterpiece. I just thought that it was a bit to monotone, and Gaspard tries to hard to beome a copy of Anthony Hopkins, that it just became silly.
And not to mention that weird incestuos relationship with his aunt, that was just to much, even for Hannibal.

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Gaspard Ulliel was hamming it up to much, so much so he appeared to have no acting chops whatsoever.

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