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Confident that the US version will be a hundred times better and scarier


And maybe they would clean up the whole flashback and memory thing a little. This one was to confusing.

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dude..american remakes always suck! wish they would just stop making crappy remakes of excellent asian movies, sadly its probably just wishful thinking.. :/

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I really think it depends on which you watch first. I watched the American version of The Ring and I was terrified. Then I watched the Japanese one and I wasn't as scared. Then, I watched the American version of the Grudge and it was scary. I watched the Japanese one and I was confused. I watched the Japanese version of Dark Water and it was scary. The American one was just stupid.

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The whole "which one you see first" is somewhat true but I saw Grudge 2 first and I disliked it. Ju-On 2 is the only original I've seen right after Grudge 2 and it is far more suspenseful and better than Grudge 2. It is confusing at times I'll agree. Remakes do suck in particular, Americans can't tell an inspirational or meaningful story for jack. The same goes for movies like Departed. Not as good as Infernal Affairs.

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Opinion noted. I happened to find remakes like The Grudge and The Ring to be far better than the original. Story and scary wised.

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That's all just a matter of opinion.
I thought the Japanese originals of all the movies which have been remade till now on much more scarier.
I wouldn't say the remakes totally sucked though. They were better than the avarage American horror movie.

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Yessssss....

I hired both American and Japanese versions of Juon and Juon 2 and the American versions had better effects and easier to pronounce names (Asian names = confusing!, but overall I would say originals won hands-down.

SAMARA GET BACK IN THE TV! NOW!!!!!!!!
ALRIGHT THATS IT, I'M GETTING THE ZOMBIE CHEWS!

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Theres an american version of grudge 2?!?! Where is it available?!?

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No its not availible yet. Its being pre-produced

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by - wreckers on Sun Aug 14 2005 02:59:33 Opinion noted. I happened to find remakes like The Grudge and The Ring to be far better than the original. Story and scary wised.

its depending what you watch first. i haven't seen ring and grudge because i know most of the horror came out sux. lol i didn't know there was japanese version so watch that first and like it then i watch Grudge and i was right.

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Certain aspects of both films have their good points and their bad points. The effects were definetely better in the american versions of both the Ring and The Grudge. The plots, however, were turned to crap in the American version of The Ring(the end to Ringu was so good, with the woman and kid heading to see the grandpa, so he could do them a "favor", creepy) and The Grudge (they left too many loose ends in the US version, didn't explain how when each person was killed, they too joined the curse, except for yoko, while in Ju-on, they clearly showed that). Also, in Ju-on, Toshio was far more effectively used than in The Grudge.

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The American version of the Ring had somewhat of the same ending, keeping in Mind Rachel's parents were never mentioned. But someone did them the same "favor". As for Ringu I really didn't like the end. It was dissapointing to me. The Grudge US version didn't have any lose ends, if you watch it until the end it shows how each person died. That was a given. I suppose Toshio was more effectively used in Ju-on than the grudge, but Ju-on wasn't that scary and was also somewhat dissapointing to its American Counter part.

All in All I like the Remakes slightly better then the Japanese Orignals, but the Orignals are in a different leauge than the American ones. They are almost dramas.

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American Remakes of films are always always really really bad compared to the original. I found my self laughing my way through SMG's pitiful and cringeworthy attempt to act her way through the first one and i really really hope they dont bother making a second. It was difficult not to spend every moment picking holes in the storyline. i dont uinderstand why directors and filmmakers decide that it would be a really really good idea to completely change a storyline to something completely different and spoil a perfectly good film to make a quick buck or two by releasing this americanised *beep*
I really hope they will just leave the second one how it is...

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Uh.. the SMG remake of the grudge was almost identical to the original. The director even stated that he remade it almost shot for shot.

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There are two things that I thought the original really lacked in;

1) Special effect: Compare SMG shower scene in the US version to the original.

2) Make up: Kayako in the original looked like just some pale woman.

"The Grudge (they left too many loose ends in the US version, didn't explain how when each person was killed, they too joined the curse, except for yoko, while in Ju-on, they clearly showed that). Also, in Ju-on, Toshio was far more effectively used than in The Grudge."

It does explain how each people die; they were scared to death (I'm assuming this because of the breathing thing they do before they die). The only death scene I didn't get was when that Peter guy committed suicide at the beginning of the movie.

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"The Grudge (they left too many loose ends in the US version, didn't explain how when each person was killed, they too joined the curse, except for yoko, while in Ju-on, they clearly showed that). Also, in Ju-on, Toshio was far more effectively used than in The Grudge."

It does explain how each people die; they were scared to death (I'm assuming this because of the breathing thing they do before they die). The only death scene I didn't get was when that Peter guy committed suicide at the beginning of the movie.
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But you still didn't get what he said.
It did not explain that everyone who was killed by the curse, joined the curse. (= the ones who got killed joined in the killing.)
This is shown in only one case in the american version. (When the maid who was killed first shows up at the stairs in the office and gets her boss killed.)
While in the japanese version you get that explained in several cases. (One is when the schoolgirl dies by her old friends who died after being in the house.
Another is the police who sees his daughter in a room, right before he dies.)


IMO, the japanese one was alot better than the american. Indeed, the american one had some better effects, but for me they don't matter. I don't watch horror movies for special effects. If you want to see effects, better watch some action/sci-fi movie.
Americans have a tendancy to stupify movies, as if the producers thought that the audience would be stupid.
Example: In the japanese movie, the story focuses around the house.
In the american version, the story still focuses on the house, but they have drawn very much attention to SMG's character. This alone makes a very big rift between the two movies. The american was easier to understand, but at the same time less interesting.
Then we have the next big difference. The american one focused very much on this sudden fear, the one that just jumped out of nowhere as in a thriller. This kind of fear that is so predictable that it doesn't make you scared anymore.
The japanese one had some of this too, but it felt as if it was alot less of it. Instead there was more of this "psychological fear", as I call it. This one fear that's always crawling inside of you because you don't know when something is going to happen and when it happens, it happens slowly, in a paralyzing way. Even though I could predict most things since I had seen the american one before I saw the japanese, I was still scared when some things happened.

So yeah....IMO, the american was alot more shallow than the japanese one.

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No, they never mentioned the new cops dying (well, the detective's partner) as well as explain how the other victims then join the curse. Never explained that at all.

"But we never have accepted being oppressed and we will never accept it." - Ahmed Shah Massoud

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I saw the American sequel this morning, and Ju-On : The Grudge 2 this afternoon.

US - *beep* hard to understand, completely disjointed, and entirely predictable. Though I still enjoyed it. The effects were beautiful, and there are 'BOO' bits aplenty.

Japanese - more intimate story, *much* more silence and eeriness, and oh my god, you actually got to see the ghosts without them being all BLAHHHHHH!@)$!@$ I AMS GOING TO SCARE U NOW!!11twelve... and Kayako was much more crapyapants.

I like how it shows you that the curse is like a kind of twisted chaos vortex/time loop of negative emotion for those who are caught up in it ie. the repetition at the end. And Kayako crawling down stairs oooover and oooover and oooover again. Poor thing must get really bored *giggle*.

Also, the Japanese culture is much more accepting of weird happenings and ghosts and such, so the characters just took it seriously and were taken seriously. Whereas in the US one everyone's all 'This is crazy! You're crazy!'.. and then require explanation and stuff.. Shimizu may have directed it but I doubt he had much play with how it was cut and stuff. mm. Shame. I'm glad he's only going to produce the next US one and direct the third Japanese one himself.

Call me silly but the kind of ghost stories that come out of Japan/Korea/China just don't translate well to mainstream American audiences. Look at Dark Water. Jesus what a mess.

And Sadako kicks Samara's ass every day of the week.

Feel free to flame me.



I will take the boy-man. OOGH@! He will have sanctuary in my tribe-uh.

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I prefer the Japanese versions, I think visual effects can be overdone, like Samara in The Ring, her whole teleportation scene and then boo! were just too zombie for me, sure the teleportation scene might give you a little jump, but Ringu's slow crawling scene is the one that stays with you.

I preffered the original Ju-On, despite the fact the two film's storylines were similar, I didn't like some of the special effects (like Kayoko's fruit machine eye spinning) and I hated the explanation scene, one thing I really dislike about American horror is that they feel the need to explain everything to the audience.

"yuugure ni kimi to mita, orenji no taiyou"

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Well, you guys were wrong in being confident about the American remake being better than the original. The remake sucked as horribly as I thought it would. It wasn't confusing, just pointless. Haha, there was a foghorn in the American version...or a cow, I really can't decide.

Much love and BIG KISSES,
Steph

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Divine decadance, darling...

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The American remake isn't particularly good, is it? Shimizu being Shimizu, there are some terrific scares, but it feels a little more disjointed than even the Japanese ones. Shame, because there are some lovely ideas. I imagine a Directors' Cut will be released, and it will improve upon the theatrical release - was certainly the case with The Grudge. Shame we in the UK will have to wait about a year longer than you Yanks to get the Directors' Cut again, if there is one...

Have a nice day :)

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Yeah, there were some parts where I thought, "Hmm...it could have been a good movie..." but it just somehow came out all wrong. Oh well, better luck next time Mr. Director! ;)

Much love and BIG KISSES,
Steph

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Divine decadance, darling...

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I saw the American Grudge 2, then saw Ju-On 2. I prefer the Japanese one, but in this case, they are really two completely different storylines. I liked the generally creepy atmosphere of Ju-On 2...it's more subtle and really sneaks up on the viewer. It leaves the viewer with a sense of unease. The American versions seem to work a little too hard to explain everything and tie up all the loose ends. In other cases, like Ringu vs. The Ring (and sequels) and the first Grudge and Ju-On, I tend to prefer the Japanese versions. I think it may be because they started as Japanese stories, therefore they are more effective when made by and for the culture in which they originated.
The same principle can be turned around: imagine a Japanese remake of Halloween or Friday the 13th. Something just gets lost in the translation. I find something to enjoy in almost all types of horror films.
I would say an exception is with Dark Water. The American version actually scared me more...not sure why.

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