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Stupid Ending

posted 18 years ago by jscforum
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Really I just don't get it.

So Kyoko raised Kayako from an evil newborn baby until she was an evil child, just so she could suddenly be killed on a whim one cold day after Kayako watches a train go by?

Can you see Kyoko bringing her evil baby out shopping and people being like, "What the hell is that thing?"

I liked the rest of the movie though. Kinda like a grouping of short horror stories bridged together through visiting the house.

So was Megumi trying to help them figure something out by giving them Kayako's journal, or not....after all she did try to kill Kyoko earlier, right?

Maybe I just don't get it again.

[–] Danny-Rodriguez 18 years ago

oh i think i get it now. so that last scene is in the future?

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[–] blahblahgrrl 18 years ago

i didn't get it either. i thought the ghost only haunted those who went INTO the house. how does that some how transfer into evil babies.....and the likes. Also if she raised the kiddie why did it push her down the stairs. Too many questions to be answered. Maybe the US version will shed some light.

[–] Abolesco 18 years ago

Kyoko was pregnant, her, Megumi, and the rest of the horror show cast went into the house.. on the way home Kyoko crashed her car... her baby died then... and throughout the movie we see all others who went into the house for the show die...

once Kyoko's baby died, Kayako jumped in I guess.. lol

chiharu didn't show her actually walk in, but she had been 'touched' by the grudge during JTG1, and she does end up inside it here...

Toshio kept touching Kyoko's stomach, because his mom is in there

Kayako is born, and when she is strong enough to kill Kyoko, she does.

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[–] Junier 18 years ago

Yeah, I guess that clears up most of my issues as well. Though it does seem strange that Kyoko would raise the demon baby for so long before it killed her (guess she just loved her like her own child)...but why would Kyako want to be reborn? She was infinitly strong as a spectre, she could go anywhere, kill anyone, and even impersonate people that had been in the house....

Do demon babies drink milk? What does demon baby poo look like? Too many questions still. :p

[–] jlogue123 18 years ago

This is the way I've always looked at it:

The ghosts aren't really "them". Like the numerous premise screens tell you, it is a curse caused by someone being murdered in a rage whose dark energy occupies the scene of the crime, killing anyone who crosses into its territory.

The curse takes the form of Kayako and the others because they were the victims. It isn't neccessarily them as they were in life. It takes the form of those who it claims because it actually claims their souls.

Any way, though the curse is supernatural, it is, in its own unqiue way, "alive". When it was reborn, it wasn't Kayako as she was before her death being reborn. It was The Grudge being made human.

As for the "why would a ghoul want to be human" question, I can only assume that, since The Grudge doesn't have a "human" mind like the rest of us, as it consumes more and more human souls, it becomes tainted by the human essence and it begins manifesting certain human traits, specifically, the need to reproduce.

It could be looked at like an AI program going from near sentience to full sentience.

[–] ImpaledLord 18 years ago

did you see that bridge in the end of the movie where Kyoko dies?!! this bridge also can be seen in Juon 1 The Curse in the beginning(open credits) and the most scary thing...a train running under the bridge just like the scene in Juon The Grudge 2 when Kayako stops to see a train

[–] roxalien 18 years ago

people people!

you have missed the big point!

Kyoko does NOT raise the baby, because she dies in the same day that she gave birth to it!!

the little kid on the bridge wasn't there for nothing; he was the same kid that dropped the ball in front of Chiharu when she tripped and died, in the same day that Kyoko fainted in the house and was taken to the hospital and delivered the baby.

so the baby is not the ghost or the curse incarnated, it IS the ghost itself

poor Kyoko had most probably lost her mind, and in her madness she loved the baby, as it had come from her.

[–] thebrianmiller 17 years ago

that confused me..you just said kyoko didn't raise the baby because she died the day it was born, and then at the end you said she loved the baby in her madness. how did she do that if she was dead?

[–] roxalien 17 years ago

so, you are saying that a mother needs years and years before she comes to love her child??? please think again before posting, I'm sure you'll understand..

[–] padzok 16 years ago

the little kid on the bridge wasn't there for nothing; he was the same kid that dropped the ball in front of Chiharu when she tripped and died, in the same day that Kyoko fainted in the house and was taken to the hospital and delivered the baby.

I agree. It was certainly within a few days or weeks of the "birth".

so the baby is not the ghost or the curse incarnated, it IS the ghost itself

Yep. Who knows what that bloody bundle would have looked like to a normal person. It looked like a baby to Kyoko - but that doesnt mean it would have looked like a baby to anyone else.

[–] youtubemisticaluser 10 years ago

why would Kyako want to be reborn? She was infinitly strong as a spectre, she could go anywhere, kill anyone, and even impersonate people that had been in the house....

You forgot Kayako was an angry spirit that was dissatisfied that she had died and with the way she was killed; she would not hesitate to live again if she had the chance - So she aggressively took over the actress' pregnancy and came back to life through her. It's just similar to what Samara/Sadako (a similar angry spirit) tried to do with the boy in Ringu 2/The Ring 2, but in an eerier way.

[–] Innocent_Deviruchi 18 years ago

Rofl, well.

You'd have to suspect why Toshio kept screaming, "OKASAMA(However it's spelled: Mother/Mom)" at Kyoko's.. Area of which a baby would come from.

[–] Abolesco 18 years ago

Okaasan is how its spelled.

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[–] tom-is-uzumakinaruto 15 years ago

i think so

[–] Scribblenaut 12 years ago

It took me a while to get it, but I think Kyoko's baby actually died and the curse took the opportunity from that tragedy to enter her body.

I believe the child we see at the end of the movie isn't real, but just the another apparition. As you can see at the end, no one seems to be reacting to the little girl who's mother just had her brains splayed over the pavement.

[–] Kawada_Kira 12 years ago

I believe the child we see at the end of the movie isn't real, but just the another apparition. As you can see at the end, no one seems to be reacting to the little girl who's mother just had her brains splayed over the pavement.

No, people noticed her. The little boy pretty clearly saw her. And I saw one or two people turn around and look at the girl as she was walking away from Kyoko.

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[–] Scribblenaut 12 years ago

It's been a while since I've seen the movie, and I did remember the little boy, but he seemed kinda freaked out by her. I don't remember anyone else paying much attention to her as she walked away though.

[–] vojkan087 11 years ago

He might be freaked out by the obviously mentally ill mother.I did not figure this one out yet but I also doubt how ''real'' the girl at the end is...

[–] Scribblenaut 11 years ago

Good point. It could either way. The one thing I'm sure of though is that that little girl isn't real, at least to people that aren't suffering from the curse.

[–] chaosbaron 10 years ago

Guys we are forgetting what is important. Full grown woman kayako climbed out of that womans vagina. Say it out loud now. She wanted to be reborn I guess... but the way she killed her mom seemed really random and lackluster. Maybe she was old enough to survive on her own at that point. Either way what a *beep*

[–] soozywilmott 9 years ago

I was even more confused, because for some reason I thought it was Toshio being reborn, not Kayako!

They crash the car because of him, then she loses her baby but then Toshio turns up, puts his hand on her tummy and voila! Replacement ghost baby!

There was the conversation about her baby being a boy, and then a few shots of Toshio doing the placing his hand on the tummy thing again, and at the end… Kayako comes out. Eh, what?

Out of everyone included in the original curse, the one with the biggest grudge has always got to be Toshio in my eyes anyway. He has much more to be resentful about. We don't know much about his life, if it was happy or not (Im guessing not though) and then one day his dad kills his mum, his cat and then him. And he's only 6! So thats it for him! No Tokyo Disneyland! No hanging out with his Junior high schools friends talking about girls and J-Pop! No University! No growing up, getting a job, getting married, having kids, travelling abroad- if I was Toshio I'd be PISSED.

So I always assumed it was him, and I know that technically it was supposed to be the grudge in human form, but because it looked like a little Kayako it didn't quite work for me.

Kayako killing Kyoko was also pointless and spoiled the ending, which is a shame because I really liked this one the best out of them all (for scares, if not necessarily plot)

Id rather the ending was: Kyoko and normal Toshio are walking along the bridge and the kid walks past and does a double take (Hey, I was playing with a football that looked like your severed head a few weeks ago… ) then shrugs (nah, that wasn't even real anyway) and then gets to the stairs and Toshio turns round and LOOKS at him and then the kid falls down the stairs and breaks his neck. And then you see that Kayako pushed the kid down the stairs, and you realise that although Toshio has been reborn into a living boy Kayako is still hanging around and the Grudge is still intact. Then it shows normal Toshio, Kyoko and Kayako walking off together. (Not that Kayako ever really walks normally anywhere but you get the idea)

That would have been ok, right? That's still a creepy ending without necessarily confusing anyone.